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Whats the SSPXs position on cuм ex Apostolatus Officio?
« on: March 12, 2011, 09:11:08 AM »
It's in the Library, of course, but what does the SSPX leadership think of it?  This paragraph seems, for me, to sum things up nicely:

"We considering a matter of this kind to be of so grave and perilous a nature that even the Roman Pontiff, who is the viceregent of God and the Lord Jesus Christ upon earth, having a plenitude of power over nations and kingdoms, judging all and being judged of none in this present world, may nevertheless be reproved if he is found deviating from the faith-and (considering moreover) that where there is greater danger there should be also a fuller and more diligent consultation, lest false prophets or others having secular jurisdiction also, should entangle miserably the souls of the faithful, and should draw down with them into perdition and destruction the innumerable peoples committed to their charge and government in spiritual or temporal matters, and so it might happen that we should see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, in the holy place.  We therefore desiring as far as with God's help we can, in virtue of our pastoral office, to capture the foxes who seek to destroy the Lord's vineyard and to drive the wolves from the fold; lest we should seem like dumb dogs unwilling to bark and be compared to bad husbandmen and mercenaries;" (cuм ex Apostolatus Officio, 1)

This is not a discussion about sedevacantism, so if you would please, let's restrict this to the SSPX's views on this docuмent.

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Whats the SSPXs position on cuм ex Apostolatus Officio?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2011, 09:28:12 AM »
I am sure you are aware, but there are other sections of 'cuм ex' that would be more "problematic" from the SSPX perspective.

FWIW, I believe they hold that it is no longer in force.  Bp. Sanborn holds, or once held, the same position regarding cuм ex.


Whats the SSPXs position on cuм ex Apostolatus Officio?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2011, 09:53:26 AM »
The bolded part actually undermines one of the premises of the sedevacantist, namely that position of "recognize and resist" is untenable.  There are principles of the moral and natural law, as well as doctrinal points which are immutable within the docuмent, and with which no one could argue against, but as far as it is considered as a canonical directive, I think it has lost its force.  

Whats the SSPXs position on cuм ex Apostolatus Officio?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2011, 09:56:22 AM »
What caused (again, from the perspective of the SSPX) the docuмent to lose its "canonical directive"?  (And, again, no debates on the sede position.)

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2011, 09:57:41 AM »
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The bolded part actually undermines one of the premises of the sedevacantist...


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This is not a discussion about sedevacantism, so if you would please, let's restrict this to the SSPX's views on this docuмent.