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Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
« Reply #150 on: September 13, 2017, 11:51:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 13, 2017, 11:07:37 AM
    At least we support the Resistance, and as such are not trolls. And the Resistance bishops, while they do not endorse the flat-earth, they also have not said that we cannot debate it. We are allowed to debate it. That's how the Church works. We can debate that which has not been solemnly defined, isn't that right?

    Of course you'll not provide a coherent answer.
    Sure, you can debate it and look like trailer park trash describing an alien landing, if you like.  I just take issue with the flat-earthers asserting, or coming flirtingly close to asserting, that flat-earth is dogma.  I further take issue with the ones misusing the Bible like protestants do.  And the diabolical obsession with the topic--page after page in thread after thread.  This IS NOT a matter necessary to the Faith.
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #151 on: September 14, 2017, 04:25:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: OHCA on September 13, 2017, 11:36:57 PM
    Your female logic & reasoning is starting to show.  Isn't there a man that you should be making a sandwich for right now?
    I gave you a thumbs up, OHCA, and I'm a female!
    I too am fed up with 
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    the diabolical obsession with the topic--page after page in thread after thread. 

     And what has sedevacant or resistance got to do with it? I don't belong to any of these camps. I'm just a Catholic. These people should be somehow confined - silly as cut snakes! I wonder if Matthew can do something?
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #152 on: September 14, 2017, 07:25:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Bellator Dei on September 13, 2017, 02:55:20 PM

    The Blessed Mother warned the world at La Salette when she said, "Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Anti-Christ...the Church will be in eclipse."  

        
    The Church is definitely in eclipse.
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #153 on: September 14, 2017, 09:46:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 14, 2017, 04:25:40 AM
    I gave you a thumbs up, OHCA, and I'm a female!
    I too am fed up with
     And what has sedevacant or resistance got to do with it? I don't belong to any of these camps. I'm just a Catholic. These people should be somehow confined - silly as cut snakes! I wonder if Matthew can do something?

    If Sedevacantism can be debated, then it makes sense that the Flat earth can be debated as well. The forum is mainly a Resistance forum (not a sedevacantist or flat earth forum) and yet both are allowed to be discussed (though I am NOT a fan of sedevacantism myself). Even BoD, which is quite controversial, is allowed.
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #154 on: September 14, 2017, 09:49:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 14, 2017, 09:46:32 AM
    If Sedevacantism can be debated, then it makes sense that the Flat earth can be debated as well. The forum is mainly a Resistance forum (not a sedevacantist or flat earth forum) and yet both are allowed to be discussed (though I am NOT a fan of sedevacantism myself). Even BoD, which is quite controversial, is allowed.
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #155 on: September 14, 2017, 09:52:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: OHCA on September 13, 2017, 11:51:17 PM
    Sure, you can debate it and look like trailer park trash describing an alien landing, if you like.  I just take issue with the flat-earthers asserting, or coming flirtingly close to asserting, that flat-earth is dogma.  I further take issue with the ones misusing the Bible like protestants do.  And the diabolical obsession with the topic--page after page in thread after thread.  This IS NOT a matter necessary to the Faith.

    I've yet to see the elusive "Flat earth is Dogma" from any flat earthers. You'll have to show specific posts in which this is shown.

    Yes, it can sometimes be an obsession, but I cannot see that it is diabolical, since there were Church Fathers who taught the flat earth. Unless you believe that those Church Fathers were under diabolical influence.
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #156 on: September 14, 2017, 09:55:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 14, 2017, 09:52:00 AM
    I've yet to see the elusive "Flat earth is Dogma" from any flat earthers. You'll have to show specific posts in which this is shown.


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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #1 on: September 09, 2017, 00:39:53 »
    You are ignoring this user.
    Flat Earth Dogma is in the Book of Genesis in the Holy Bible.




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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #157 on: September 14, 2017, 10:05:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on September 14, 2017, 09:55:22 AM

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    Re: For Flat Earthers
    « Reply #1 on: September 09, 2017, 00:39:53 »
    You are ignoring this user.
    Flat Earth Dogma is in the Book of Genesis in the Holy Bible.




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    Not ignoring. I'd forgotten about that one. I think the assertion was that it's dogma because it's part of Sacred Scripture. Or something like that. I don't agree, of course, that it's dogma, at least in the sense that it's one of the defined dogmas of the Catholic Church that we are required to believe in as Catholics. 

    Tell me, DZ, you accept all of the actual defined Dogmas of the Catholic Church? 
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #158 on: September 14, 2017, 10:10:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 14, 2017, 10:05:43 AM
    Not ignoring. I'd forgotten about that one. I think the assertion was that it's dogma because it's part of Sacred Scripture. Or something like that. I don't agree, of course, that it's dogma, at least in the sense that it's one of the defined dogmas of the Catholic Church.
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #159 on: September 14, 2017, 10:18:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on September 14, 2017, 10:10:26 AM


    Hey, I said that I don't agree that the earth is a defined dogma, if that's what the poster was asserting. What more do you want? I'll spell it out for you more clearly:

    The Flat earth is not a defined dogma of the Catholic Church. It's not a good idea for flat-earthers to assert that it is.

    I assume, DZ, that you do accept ALL of the defined dogmas of the Church though, right? I know I do.
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #160 on: September 14, 2017, 11:13:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 14, 2017, 09:52:00 AM
    I've yet to see the elusive "Flat earth is Dogma" from any flat earthers. You'll have to show specific posts in which this is shown.

    Yes, it can sometimes be an obsession, but I cannot see that it is diabolical, since there were Church Fathers who taught the flat earth. Unless you believe that those Church Fathers were under diabolical influence.
    I see that you acknowledge that Truth is Eternal has crossed the line on this issue.  What about happenby's private interpretation of Holy Scripture and her insistence that flat-earth is the Catholic position?  Are you bothered by her preaching/teaching 1) as a woman and/or 2) based largely on her private interpretation of Holy Scripture?  And doesn't she, if she falls just short of declaring it dogma, come flirtingly close to doing so?
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #161 on: September 14, 2017, 11:21:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: OHCA on September 14, 2017, 11:13:52 AM
    I see that you acknowledge that Truth is Eternal has crossed the line on this issue.  What about happenby's private interpretation of Holy Scripture and her insistence that flat-earth is the Catholic position?  Are you bothered by her preaching/teaching 1) as a woman and/or 2) based largely on her private interpretation of Holy Scripture?  And doesn't she, if she falls just short of declaring it dogma, come flirtingly close to doing so?

    IF, and I mean "IF" Truth is Eternal was actually saying that the Flat Earth is a defined dogma (rather than asserting that scripture is part of the dogma of the Church), then yes, that's wrong. It's not clear to me that that's what was being asserted. However, since apparently you want me to police the other flat earthers, then no, I'm not going to do that. You'll have to try to get over that idea. The rabid anti-flat earthers, such as yourself, aren't going to get me on their side. 
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #162 on: September 14, 2017, 11:23:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on September 14, 2017, 11:21:12 AM
    (... scripture is part of the dogma of the Church),...
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    Re: For Flat Earthers
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    Flat Earth Dogma is in the Book of Genesis in the Holy Bible.

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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #163 on: September 14, 2017, 12:49:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: OHCA on September 14, 2017, 11:13:52 AM
    I see that you acknowledge that Truth is Eternal has crossed the line on this issue.  What about happenby's private interpretation of Holy Scripture and her insistence that flat-earth is the Catholic position?  Are you bothered by her preaching/teaching 1) as a woman and/or 2) based largely on her private interpretation of Holy Scripture?  And doesn't she, if she falls just short of declaring it dogma, come flirtingly close to doing so?
    What I've reproduced in these threads is not just my private interpretation.  If it was, a whole host of people would be able to produce contrary texts teaching round earth and heliocentrism from the early Church. But they never do, because it doesn't exist. Ten years of study on this subject proves that 100% of traditional Catholic teachings reveal a geocentric flat earth. As for me being a woman, tough beans. Take the wheel when you are able to repeat the truth.  For now, not one Catholic man has proof against scripture, Church Fathers, popes, saints, true science, mathematics, measuring sticks and a whole host of writings from other authoritative sources regarding flat earth.   
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    Re: What to you see as the coming "great deception"
    « Reply #164 on: September 14, 2017, 12:52:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on September 14, 2017, 12:49:01 PM
    What I've reproduced in these threads is not just my private interpretation.  If it was, a whole host of people would be able to produce contrary texts teaching round earth and heliocentrism from the early Church. But they never do, because it doesn't exist. Ten years of study on this subject proves that 100% of traditional Catholic teachings reveal a geocentric flat earth. As for me being a woman, tough beans. Take the wheel when you are able to repeat the truth.  For now, not one Catholic man has proof against scripture, Church Fathers, popes, saints, true science, mathematics, measuring sticks and a whole host of writings from other authoritative sources regarding flat earth.  
    Examples of "proof":
    1. "You have stupid hair."
    2. "Shut up, that's why!"
    or is that "argument"?
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