What to you see as the coming "great deception"
but how the enemy will benefit from this deception.
Ball earth definitely fits that requirement.
It is said to be so great that even the elect would be deceived.
Ball earth definitely fits that requirement.Look man, I spent ~decade living or dying by navigation, shooting telling how long till night by my fingers, keeping the wrong folks from getting killed so that we could all kill the right ones etc. etc...
Look man, I spent ~decade living or dying by navigation, shooting telling how long till night by my fingers, keeping the wrong folks from getting killed so that we could all kill the right ones etc. etc...Anne Catherine Emmerich says the heliocentric pagan cosmology is "the mothers of all heresy". Her assessment of the re creation of earth by Satan to enslave all has reached its fulfillment because everyone believes earth is a spinning, whirling ball...against all reason, experience and true science as if scientism were the people's religion to the point they deny scripture and the Church and attribute to nothing what belongs to God. Excellent, Tradplorable! Heliocentric ball earth has all the characteristics of the Great Deception.
Go peddle it to somehow who'll buy it or, better yet, brush up on some basic Scholastic Philosophy, or at LEAST some rudimentary Crit-think. (here, field expedient block of training for you. Two basic questions. "So what?" and "would you please be more specific?" Master those, or at least make them a habit where applicable, and the rest grows on. You're welcome.)
Then, AFTER you've re/learned the CATHOLIC way to think, try a bit of the Trivium and Quadrivium, or just crack a basic (Catholic) science book.
Peddle your wares as you like. It's on you, but "don't start nothin', won't be nothing." keep that naked assertion, IRRATIONAL and so ANTI-CATHOLIC trash away from me and off my posts.
Just "sayin' stuff" is just that. Put some bite behind that bark or stop yapping.
out.
Anne Catherine Emmerich says the heliocentric pagan cosmology is "the mothers of all heresy". Her assessment of the re creation of earth by Satan to enslave all has reached its fulfillment because everyone believes earth is a spinning, whirling ball...against all reason, experience and true science as if scientism were the people's religion to the point they deny scripture and the Church and attribute to nothing what belongs to God. Excellent, Tradplorable! Heliocentric ball earth has all the characteristics of the Great Deception.1. Not a Heliocentrist miss/ma'am.
1. Not a Heliocentrist miss/ma'am.Anne Catherine Emmerich:
2. specify pls. rea; Emmerich. Even by your own recounting, you are making an error on the face of it.
3. Does the CHURCH teach this? What you allege her to have said? If so, again, specify.
Non response to prior will merit and receive same.
Anne Catherine Emmerich says the heliocentric pagan cosmology is "the mothers of all heresy". Her assessment of the re creation of earth by Satan to enslave all has reached its fulfillment because everyone believes earth is a spinning, whirling ball...against all reason, experience and true science as if scientism were the people's religion to the point they deny scripture and the Church and attribute to nothing what belongs to God. Excellent, Tradplorable! Heliocentric ball earth has all the characteristics of the Great Deception....?
Anne Catherine Emmerich:
"(Hom) was of a large stature like a giant, and of a very serious, peculiar turn of mind. He wore a long robe, he was like a priest. He used to go alone to the summit of the mountain and there spend night after night. He observed the stars and practiced magic. He was taught by the devil to arrange what he saw in vision into a science, a religion, and thereby he vitiated and counteracted the teaching of Enoch. The evil inclinations inherited from his mother mingled in him with the pure hereditary teachings of Enoch and Noe to which the children Thubal clung. Hom, by his false visions and revelations misinterpreted and changed the ancient truth. He studied and pondered and watched the stars and had visions which, by Satan's agency, showed him deformed images of truth. Through their resemblance to truth, his doctrine and idolatry became the mothers of heresy."
Anne Catherine Emmerich Life of Jesus Christ, page 48 Book 1
St. Nilus also explains that science will "go off the right path"...
The Prophecy of St. Nilus
After the year 1900, toward the middle of the 20th century, the people of that time will become unrecognizable. When the time for the Advent of the Antichrist approaches, people's minds will grow cloudy from carnal passions, and dishonor and lawlessness will grow stronger. Then the world will become unrecognizable. People's appearances will change, and it will be impossible to distinguish men from women due to their shamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be cruel and will be like wild animals because of the temptations of the Antichrist. There will be no respect for parents and elders, love will disappear, and Christian pastors, bishops, and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right-hand way from the left. At that time the morals and traditions of Christians and of the Church will change. People will abandon modesty, and dissipation will reign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe to those who pile up treasures. Lust, adultery, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, secret deeds and murder will rule in society. At that future time, due to the power of such great crimes and licentiousness, people will be deprived of the grace of the Holy Spirit, which they received in Holy Baptism and equally of remorse.
The Churches of God will be deprived of God-fearing and pious pastors, and woe to the Christians remaining in the world at that time; they will completely lose their faith because they will lack the opportunity of seeing the light of knowledge from anyone at all. Then they will separate themselves out of the world in holy refuges in search of lightening their spiritual sufferings, but everywhere they will meet obstacles and constraints. And all this will result from the fact that the Antichrist wants to be Lord over everything and become the ruler of the whole universe, and he will produce miracles and fantastic signs. He will also give depraved wisdom to an unhappy man so that he will discover a way by which one man can carry on a conversation with another from one end of the earth to the other. At that time men will also fly through the air like birds and descend to the bottom of the sea like fish. And when they have achieved all this, these unhappy people will spend their lives in comfort without knowing, poor souls, that it is deceit of the Antichrist. And, the impious one! -- he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases.
Then the All-good God will see the downfall of the human race and will shorten the days for the sake of those few who are being saved, because the enemy wants to lead even the chosen into temptation, if that is possible... then the sword of chastisement will suddenly appear and kill the perverter and his servants.
The Church does not specifically teach the above, but the saints here warn of the problems with the current accepted model which defies scripture using false teachings the Church long ago condemned.
Ball earth definitely fits that requirement.PS, if you're a girl, then that was a bit rough and I apologize.
1. What does THAT have to do with......?"I'm seeing a chasm wide divide between what you said was said, and what you've sent as said, get it?"
2. One last chance, how what you sent in any way a RESPONSE to what I asked?
3. Even if so, so what?
In short, RELEVANCE?
I'm seeing a chasm wide divide between what you said was said, and what you've sent as said, get it?
"I'm seeing a chasm wide divide between what you said was said, and what you've sent as said, get it?"
It appears to me that she flat out lied.
Maybe. All of us can get sold on some idea, and see what we wish. It's a crazy world. I'm really trying here. At the very least there's a huge disconnect almost everywhere. I get it though. It's scary out there. It's all fractured.
Even if that truly is her interpretation of what was said, she oversold what was actually said and thereby lied.
Still a "maybe"
She has spammed this subforum with her endless nonsense in several threads.
If this is a case of an LoT, i.e. it is the SAME nonsense, then THAT establishes your point. Once can be a goof. Twice a gaffe, but three times or more? Somebody is playing fast and loose with facts and truth. I really do try to hear people out, but when things start sideways, they never straighten out.
The great deception is that frozen yogurt is similar to ice cream.LOL
Look man, I spent ~decade living or dying by navigation, shooting telling how long till night by my fingers, keeping the wrong folks from getting killed so that we could all kill the right ones etc. etc...I'm still not convinced English is your first language.
Go peddle it to somehow who'll buy it or, better yet, brush up on some basic Scholastic Philosophy, or at LEAST some rudimentary Crit-think. (here, field expedient block of training for you. Two basic questions. "So what?" and "would you please be more specific?" Master those, or at least make them a habit where applicable, and the rest grows on. You're welcome.)
Then, AFTER you've re/learned the CATHOLIC way to think, try a bit of the Trivium and Quadrivium, or just crack a basic (Catholic) science book.
Peddle your wares as you like. It's on you, but "don't start nothin', won't be nothing." keep that naked assertion, IRRATIONAL and so ANTI-CATHOLIC trash away from me and off my posts.
Just "sayin' stuff" is just that. Put some bite behind that bark or stop yapping.
out.
Anne Catherine Emmerich:Very interesting quote.
"(Hom) was of a large stature like a giant, and of a very serious, peculiar turn of mind. He wore a long robe, he was like a priest. He used to go alone to the summit of the mountain and there spend night after night. He observed the stars and practiced magic. He was taught by the devil to arrange what he saw in vision into a science, a religion, and thereby he vitiated and counteracted the teaching of Enoch. The evil inclinations inherited from his mother mingled in him with the pure hereditary teachings of Enoch and Noe to which the children Thubal clung. Hom, by his false visions and revelations misinterpreted and changed the ancient truth. He studied and pondered and watched the stars and had visions which, by Satan's agency, showed him deformed images of truth. Through their resemblance to truth, his doctrine and idolatry became the mothers of heresy."
Anne Catherine Emmerich, Life of Jesus Christ, page 48 Book 1
Any ideas? Not only what the "great deception" will be, but how the enemy will benefit from this deception.Which ones? There will be many, both great and small, in and outside of the Church. The supernatural battle continues and deception has always been a favored tool of the Dark powers of the Air.
I found the book containing her Emmerich quote easily enough on google. You can read more of the pages for more context:Anne Catherine Emmerich was right: Hom's lies about the stars are literally the mother of all heresies.
https://books.google.com/books?id=WO5UDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT41&lpg=PT41&dq=was+of+a+large+stature+like+a+giant,+and+of+a+very+serious,+peculiar+turn+of+mind.+He+wore+a+long+robe,+he+was+like+a+priest.+He+used+to+go+alone+to+the+summit+of+the+mountain+and+there+spend+night+after+night.+He+observed+the+stars+and+practiced+magic.&source=bl&ots=GukOWTWhDx&sig=0nnn3-44vgdGtHE3O33mao12WIU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizr7Ce34vWAhWFiVQKHX8bCS0Q6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=was%20of%20a%20large%20stature%20like%20a%20giant%2C%20and%20of%20a%20very%20serious%2C%20peculiar%20turn%20of%20mind.%20He%20wore%20a%20long%20robe%2C%20he%20was%20like%20a%20priest.%20He%20used%20to%20go%20alone%20to%20the%20summit%20of%20the%20mountain%20and%20there%20spend%20night%20after%20night.%20He%20observed%20the%20stars%20and%20practiced%20magic.&f=false
This obsession of some about the shape of the earth itself is demonic.The problem with this position is that it does not even remotely consider that the teachings on the shape of the earth come from God Himself in scripture (further expounded upon by Fathers and saints, and along with the popular pagan model from which it came was condemned by the Church). As such, contradictory teachings would be heresy. Further, if earth is as the aforesaid Catholics and scripture teach, and enough evidence to the fact has been posted over and over in these pages, the vast majority of mankind believes an error against the teachings of scripture, so we have at the very least, "a" Great Deception. Prove please, with quotes, teachings, writings, science, math, reason, and authority that your position is not erroneous, or at least, present your case. Naysaying is devoid of substance and is summarily dismissed.
There is nothing Catholic about it and it is a great distraction from the things you should be concerned about.
Which ones? There will be many, both great and small, in and outside of the Church. The supernatural battle continues and deception has always been a favored tool of the Dark powers of the Air.True, there already are many deceptions. But the with the vast majority of men on earth fully immersed in a pagan teaching already formally condemned by the Church, heliocentrism, which is a demonic re creation of the world, a new creation made in Satan's image, born of devil worship early on, and as Anne Catherine Emmerich suggests, "the mothers of heresy" it must be a very great deception indeed. Scripture starts with "In the beginning" and proceeds to explain God's creation. If men believe the opposite of what is proposed at the beginning, they are at odds with God "from the beginning". It was an answer to the question posed in this thread.
1. What does THAT have to do with......?You asked what Anne Catherine said. I quoted her for you. She reveals Hom's false cosmogony, a twisted science in defiance of Enoch's teachings (Enoch being one of the most recognized flat earthers who walked with God in the heavens) and according to Anne Catherine, Hom was the instigator of a false science (heliocentrism*) that became a religion influenced by worship of Satan and the stars. Hom's belief about cosmography became the mother of heresy. Because the Church has OFFICIALLY condemned heliocentrism* and always supported geocentrism, and since ball earth is irreparably balled up with heliocentrism, you have relevance.
2. One last chance, how what you sent in any way a RESPONSE to what I asked?
3. Even if so, so what?
In short, RELEVANCE?
I'm seeing a chasm wide divide between what you said was said, and what you've sent as said, get it?
"I'm seeing a chasm wide divide between what you said was said, and what you've sent as said, get it?"I explained the relevance of what I said specifically above, in my last post to DZ. Please refrain from saying I lied until you fully understand. If you don't, ask questions.
It appears to me that she flat out lied. Even if that truly is her interpretation of what was said, she oversold what was actually said and thereby lied. She has spammed this subforum with her endless nonsense in several threads.
I'm still not convinced English is your first language.I'm still not convinced you're aware that in the big boy world if you write a check, someone WILL cash it.
You write with the eloquence of an inner city gang banger with a sixth grade reading level.
Touched a nerve, eh? Seems you are clearly in the totally deceived ball earth group. Carry on in your willful blindness and ignore what your eyes and senses show you. Stick with the "world" in your comfortable esteem where everyone is sure you are sane.
You asked what Anne Catherine said. I quoted her for you. She reveals Hom's false cosmogony, a twisted science in defiance of Enoch's teachings (Enoch being one of the most recognized flat earthers who walked with God in the heavens) and according to Anne Catherine, Hom was the instigator of a false science (heliocentrism*) that became a religion influenced by worship of Satan and the stars. Hom's belief about cosmography became the mother of heresy. Because the Church has OFFICIALLY condemned heliocentrism* and always supported geocentrism, and since ball earth is irreparably balled up with heliocentrism, you have relevance."Sayin' stufffff...."
"Sayin' stufffff...."Contradiction without proof or explanation is useless. It's not so much what I've said, but that I've repeated the content using saint's quotes, Catholic teaching, scripture, Church condemnation of heliocentrism and its ball earth, Tradition, reason, math and science that really matters. You have produced literally nothing but unbelief in the face of Catholic teaching WITHOUT providing proof to the contrary making your position the waste of time.
I told you.
Waste of time.
Contra factum non fit argumentum. Against a fact there is no argument....and yet, she persists.
...and yet, she persists.Without argument or proof, let alone consideration or understanding, just criticism. Pure dead weight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyMYyZinC2I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyMYyZinC2I)And going and going...
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyMYyZinC2I)
...and yet, she persists.She's a nut and up to no good. Months ago I pointed out to her that the Douay-Rheims refers to "globe" and she was even critical of the wording there. She will stand with a handful of other Cathinfo examples of why we should not suffer the teaching of preaching of a woman.
She's a nut and up to no good. Months ago I pointed out to her that the Douay-Rheims refers to "globe" and she was even critical of the wording there. She will stand with a handful of other Cathinfo examples of why we should not suffer the teaching of preaching of a woman.A lot of this place reminds me of Dick Ibranyi.
She's a nut and up to no good. Months ago I pointed out to her that the Douay-Rheims refers to "globe" and she was even critical of the wording there. She will stand with a handful of other Cathinfo examples of why we should not suffer the teaching of preaching of a woman.The globe of the earth is the Firmament.
She's a nut and up to no good. Months ago I pointed out to her that the Douay-Rheims refers to "globe" and she was even critical of the wording there. She will stand with a handful of other Cathinfo examples of why we should not suffer the teaching of preaching of a woman.Women are not permitted to defend the Faith? That is the men's failure that they have to. ZERO Catholic rebuttals from heliocentric men except to complain that they see women are doing some of the heavy lifting. Know this: I'll die before I stop unless the men wake up.
The coming great deception about which we have been warned is made even more significant by the warning that "were it possible, even the elect will be deceived."
What has been the goal of the enemy from the beginning?
In Isiah 13 we read:
12] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drl&bk=27&ch=14&l=12-#x) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?
Quomodo cecidisti de caelo, Lucifer, qui mane oriebaris? corruisti in terram, qui vulnerabas gentes?
[13] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drl&bk=27&ch=14&l=13-#x) And thou saidst in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north.
Qui dicebas in corde tuo : In caelum conscendam, super astra Dei exaltabo solium meum; sedebo in monte testamenti, in lateribus aquilonis;
[14] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drl&bk=27&ch=14&l=14-#x) I will ascend above the height of the clouds, I will be like the most High.
ascendam super altitudinem nubium, similis ero Altissimo?
The enemy's goal is to be worshipped as if he is God. That would surely rank as a "great deception." How might the enemy engineer the world system to make himself appear to be God?
My best guess is that a fake staged "alien" invasion with the good-cops-bad-cops ploy being played out as good-aliens-bad-aliens in order to create the chaos that will then be "resolved" by the alien antichrist/ satan.
What is astonishing about this possibility is that we see "Pope" Francis and also two vatican astronomers who have written a book, adressing the "baptism" of "aliens."
This is from http://www.thedailybeast.com/pope-francis-asked-would-you-baptize-an-alien-heres-the-answer
The book ends on the question of extraterrestrial life and whether or not the Catholic Church would baptize aliens, which, according to Consolmango, it would, “if she asked.” Pope Francis first posed the alien question in May during a sermon on acceptance (http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2014/05/13/pope-francis-church-would-baptize-aliens.html) in which he said the Church should not be so judgmental. “If—for example—tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here... Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them... And one says, ‘But I want to be baptized!’ What would happen?” he asked parishioners. “When the Lord shows us the way, who are we to say, ‘No, Lord, it is not prudent! No, let’s do it this way...’”
The truth is that so-called aliens are actually demons. So we have this "Pope" and two Jesuit astronomers subtly suggesting that in the event of (what I consider to be a fake, staged) alien invasion, these visitors, not from another planet but from another dimension, will be worthy to be baptized? Isn't such a suggestion disgusting?
For centuries, we have been set up to believe that there is life on other planets, all as part of the coming "great deception" which will fool many.
And yet it does not even occur to Cassini that in order to perpetuate the idea that there is life elsewhere, you need earth to be a ball and in a heliocentric system.
Pope Francis and his Copernican/Galilean/Newtonian/Einsteinian astronomers have begun this deception as you say.
Francis would have no problem BAPTIZING THEM. Now what is BAPTISM for. Only descendants of Adam and Eve need BAPTISM so does Francis not know that? Or is he going along with the condemned doctrine of other Adams?
Women are not permitted to defend the Faith? That is the men's failure that they have to. ZERO Catholic rebuttals from heliocentric men except to complain that they see women are doing some of the heavy lifting. Know this: I'll die before I stop unless the men wake up.How many traditional priests and bishops insist that flat-earth (NOT to be confused with geocentrism) is a dogma of the Faith?
Women are not permitted to defend the Faith? That is the men's failure that they have to. ZERO Catholic rebuttals from heliocentric men except to complain that they see women are doing some of the heavy lifting. Know this: I'll die before I stop unless the men wake up.
I believe in geocentrism. I believe that NASA has lied to us, as part of a long, long list of govt lies, both in the science and non science realms, and which lies ultimately started in the post-middle ages with Copernicus.Pax, you make some great points, especially:
What I don't see is the importance placed on flat earth vs globe. I can count on one hand the # of times I've thought about this "issue" and I'm not going to lose sleep over such a trivial matter.
The point of the debate should be that 1) science has been hijacked by heretics and is worshipped as a religion by Freemasons 2) science doesn't contradict the Bible or Faith 3) the Bible is both historically and scientifically true.
The debate over flat vs globe, while interesting, is not the point. Geocentrism should be the emphasis, because this is first step back towards a true understanding of science. But even this goal pales in importance to the main goal, which is REDUCING science's importance in the order of learning. Arguing about flat vs globe is like arguing over the color of dress Our Lady wore when She was assumed into heaven. It's a distraction.
I think the primary motivation of the Freemasons/ Lucifarians is to create the illusion that we here on earth are an insignificant speck in an infinite universe of other solar systems, planetary systems and life forms.Agree. But this illusion is based on people accepting the heliocentric model. If one reverts back to the Church's accepted earth-centric model, this illusion falls apart, which is what we want. One does not need to convince people of a flat earth in order to kill satan's illusion. Geocentrism alone kills the illusion.
Agree. But this illusion is based on people accepting the heliocentric model. If one reverts back to the Church's accepted earth-centric model, this illusion falls apart, which is what we want. One does not need to convince people of a flat earth in order to kill satan's illusion. Geocentrism alone kills the illusion.No, it does not.
Sorry, baby should not be there. Typing finger went astray. :facepalm:It's okay.
Thank you for your polite and thoughtful reply, DZ, and thank you, Mater/Matthew, for removing the video.Likewise miss/ma'am.
I see the flat-earthers have found another thread to spin their nonsense. It seems they are taking over this forum and ruining thread after thread. Let us get back to Cera's OP request.Of course, since God created the flat earth, the flat earth will be heavily endorsed by Catholics' on a Catholic forum; we will never endorse the Freemasonic globe earth deception. :incense: :applause:
Spot on Cera, the appearance of aliens could well be the next 'great deception.' They will of course be devils.
Perhaps you do not know but a Pope has already condemned such an deception.
Pope Pius II (1458-1464)
Errors of Zanini de Solcia
(1) That the world should be naturally destroyed and ended by the heat of the sun...
Today, in the news all over the world we hear about Pioneer spacecraft that will outlive the earth that will be destroyed by the heat of the sun. The Pioneer spacecraft is loaded with stories of humanity and will be found by "intelligent life out there, Aliens.
(3) That God created another world than this one... and that other men and women existed.
Pope Francis and his Copernican/Galilean/Newtonian/Einsteinian astronomers have begun this deception as you say.
Francis would have no problem BAPTIZING THEM. Now what is BAPTISM for. Only descendants of Adam and Eve need BAPTISM so does Francis not know that? Or is he going along with the condemned doctrine of other Adams?
Agree. But this illusion is based on people accepting the heliocentric model. If one reverts back to the Church's accepted earth-centric model, this illusion falls apart, which is what we want. One does not need to convince people of a flat earth in order to kill satan's illusion. Geocentrism alone kills the illusion.I do not understandi"One does not need to convince people of a flat earth."
Likewise miss/ma'am.You can call me Nadir :pray:
The more I think about this its the Conciliar Church, period. People thinking its the Catholic Church.I agree with you that these are traffic violations compared to this murder. However, I think the setting up of the NWO Church is related to a fake staged alien invasion in which the enemy posing as a "good alien" from another planet to save us from the "bad aliens."
When the ultimate issue is the salvation of souls (which requires the true faith), and with the Church being "the pillar and ground of truth," a false Church speaking heresy and deceiving people into thinking its the real one (thus getting them to believe heresy) is about the greatest deception the world can have.
"Proselytism is solemn nonsense" in light of the Great Commission . . .
I'd say we are there.
Whether the flat earth is thought round, whether the centered geo is thought just another ball circling around - these are traffic violations compared to this murder.
Your so-called traffic violation is the first heresy.
Whether the flat earth is thought round, whether the centered geo is thought just another ball circling around - these are traffic violations compared to this murder.
the coming great deception about which the Bible warns us, in which the enemy sets himself up as an alien god from another planet, planetary system and galaxy who seeded life on earth billions of years ago and now needs to be worshiped..
I see the flat-earthers have found another thread to spin their nonsense. It seems they are taking over this forum and ruining thread after thread. Let us get back to Cera's OP request..
Spot on Cera, the appearance of aliens could well be the next 'great deception.' They will of course be devils..
Perhaps you do not know but a Pope has already condemned such an deception.
Pope Pius II (1458-1464)
Errors of Zanini de Solcia
(1) That the world should be naturally destroyed and ended by the heat of the sun...
Today, in the news all over the world we hear about Pioneer spacecraft that will outlive the earth that will be destroyed by the heat of the sun. The Pioneer spacecraft is loaded with stories of humanity and will be found by "intelligent life out there, Aliens.
(3) That God created another world than this one... and that other men and women existed.
Pope Francis and his Copernican/Galilean/Newtonian/Einsteinian astronomers have begun this deception as you say.
Francis would have no problem BAPTIZING THEM. Now what is BAPTISM for. Only descendants of Adam and Eve need BAPTISM so does Francis not know that? Or is he going along with the condemned doctrine of other Adams?
.That kind of sounds like the Great Chastisement.
Heard a talk show just yesterday saying the world will end when people all die because of a natural disaster (like the heat of the sun but they were saying an asteroid, meaning a large meteor).
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You can call me Nadir :pray:Thank you Nadir.
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Okay, but I'm sure they can't think of it as ruining, not yet anyway. Once they learn the truth they'll be able to see how much their redundancy amounted to nothing. Misplaced zeal can become embarrassing.
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Interesting citations -- anything of faith or morals once condemned by a Pope is irrefutable in the future.
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Heard a talk show just yesterday saying the world will end when people all die because of a natural disaster (like the heat of the sun but they were saying an asteroid, meaning a large meteor).
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So, what happened to (2)?
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As DZ has pointed out, you all have failed to identify the "dogma" of Flat Earth beyond your protesta(n)tions of Scripture. Pun intended.When it endorsed heliocentrism, then later evolution.
Tell us, when did the Church go into heresy by denying the flat earth . . . ahem . . . "dogma."
When it endorsed heliocentrism, then later evolution.
Here it is. Right here. The brood of Dick Ibranyi, at least in spirit, if not literally one of his sad cultists.Who the hell is DIck Ibranyi??
IF we wait long enough, S. Peter will be denounced as an apostate.
"Fruit" 4: He believes not just that the Church CAN defect, but THAT IT HAS, and still claims to be Catholic.
Conclusion? Protestant "small c" "catholic", or an Anglican on a perpetual "Scrumpy" bender.
As DZ has pointed out, you all have failed to identify the "dogma" of Flat Earth beyond your protesta(n)tions of Scripture. Pun intended.The Church didn't go into heresy, but the people have become pagans. They believe false modern science over God's revealed truth.
Tell us, when did the Church go into heresy by denying the flat earth . . . ahem . . . "dogma."
Was it Pius VII, Benedict XIV? . . . do tell us.
The Church didn't go into heresy, but the people have become pagans. They believe false modern science over God's revealed truth..
.Do you want to see some pictures of the Flat Earth Horizon?
The Church has never taught "flat-earth" and it never will because it's obviously a fairy tale.
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Do you want to see some pictures of the Flat Earth Horizon?.
.Poor Neil "Have You Measured the Angle of the Quarter Moon Yet" Obstat cannot grasp the flat earth model.
I've already seen your fake CGI pictures and paintings.
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Answer my question. Explain how someone in Australia can see a full moon in the flat-earth diagram.
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This is your golden calf image of worship which you adore. Explain it.
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.http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t102-the-fathers-and-tradition
The Church has never taught "flat-earth" and it never will because it's obviously a fairy tale.
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..Matthew 24:24
Where does the Bible warn us about that?
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That kind of sounds like the Great Chastisement.It's not the great chastisement, because we know that the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary will follow the chastisement. So some will survive and will be part of the restoration of the Church.
Matthew 24:24That scripture passage reminds me of the people trying unsuccessfully to turn a Line into a Sphere; It will NEVER work and yet they keep trying. For our sake, I so admire their misguided persistence a little bit.
For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. [25] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=24&l=25-#x) Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
(http://i.imgur.com/XLH3knm.jpg)Is this an image of a flat surface?
Perhaps you missed this quote from St. Basil the Great regarding those who argue about the shape of the Earth and try to use Scripture to prove it.
St. Basil, Hexaemeron, Homily 9: "Those who have written about the nature of the universe have discussed at length the shape of the earth. If it be spherical or cylindrical, if it resemble a disc and is equally rounded in all parts, or if it has the forth of a winnowing basket and is hollow in the middle; all these conjectures have been suggested by cosmographers, each one upsetting that of his predecessor. It will not lead me to give less importance to the creation of the universe, that the servant of God, Moses, is silent as to shapes; he has not said that the earth is a hundred and eighty thousand furlongs in circuмference; he has not measured into what extent of air its shadow projects itself whilst the sun revolves around it, nor stated how this shadow, casting itself upon the moon, produces eclipses. He has passed over in silence, as useless, all that is unimportant for us. Shall I then prefer foolish wisdom to the oracles of the Holy Spirit? Shall I not rather exalt Him who, not wishing to fill our minds with these vanities, has regulated all the economy of Scripture in view of the edification and the making perfect of our souls? It is this which those seem to me not to have understood, who, giving themselves up to the distorted meaning of allegory, have undertaken to give a majesty of their own invention to Scripture. It is to believe themselves wiser than the Holy Spirit, and to bring forth their own ideas under a pretext of exegesis. Let us hear Scripture as it has been written."
(http://i.imgur.com/XLH3knm.jpg)That scripture passage reminds me of the people trying unsuccessfully to turn a Line into a Sphere; It will NEVER work and yet they keep trying. :jester: They continue to prove us right. :applause:
One interesting point in this is that he explicitly says that Moses was silent as to the shape of the Earth, the Earth being the subject about which he is writing. He passed over the shapes because it is useless for us and our salvation. As St. Basil says it is useless for our edification the “making perfect of our souls”. I do not deny that some or most of the Fathers believed the Earth was flat but this homily is very telling as to the Spiritual and Salvific import they attached to this knowledge.If you truly thought the fact that the shape of the earth is flat is really that unimportant, you wouldn't continue post in Flat Earth threads. I think you might be in the process of converting to our side. :jumping2: :applause:
Moreover, he is saying that those who try to prove the Earth’s shape using Scripture are doing so not to promote or further Scripture and it’s true exegesis but to further their own interpretation of it.
This should be enough for those who wish to prove from Scripture the flat earth and those who wish to promote it as if it’s Church Dogma.
As to the reference you gave in Homily 4 about “Heaven, poised like a dome” there is a footnote if you’ll notice, labeled 1523. This is a reference to Isaiah 40:22, which calls the Earth a Dome. This may seem appealing to those who think the Earth is spherical but the same admonition from St. Basil applies to them. It applies to anybody appealing to Scripture to prove the shape of the Earth. (BTW, I know the argument which says this should be translated to ‘circle’ but the DR says it’s a dome)
I just wanted to ask you Meg, have you looked at the posts by some of your fellow flat-earthers lately? You denied that anyone says that FE is Dogma but there is a lot of talk about it being at least something that has to be believed and one even said it's in Scripture and they said Scripture is Dogma.
One interesting point in this is that he explicitly says that Moses was silent as to the shape of the Earth, the Earth being the subject about which he is writing. He passed over the shapes because it is useless for us and our salvation. As St. Basil says it is useless for our edification the “making perfect of our souls”. I do not deny that some or most of the Fathers believed the Earth was flat but this homily is very telling as to the Spiritual and Salvific import they attached to this knowledge.
Moreover, he is saying that those who try to prove the Earth’s shape using Scripture are doing so not to promote or further Scripture and it’s true exegesis but to further their own interpretation of it.
This should be enough for those who wish to prove from Scripture the flat earth and those who wish to promote it as if it’s Church Dogma.
As to the reference you gave in Homily 4 about “Heaven, poised like a dome” there is a footnote if you’ll notice, labeled 1523. This is a reference to Isaiah 40:22, which calls the Earth a Dome. This may seem appealing to those who think the Earth is spherical but the same admonition from St. Basil applies to them. It applies to anybody appealing to Scripture to prove the shape of the Earth. (BTW, I know the argument which says this should be translated to ‘circle’ but the DR says it’s a dome)
I just wanted to ask you Meg, have you looked at the posts by some of your fellow flat-earthers lately? You denied that anyone says that FE is Dogma but there is a lot of talk about it being at least something that has to be believed and one even said it's in Scripture and they said Scripture is Dogma.
Did you read the quote from St. Basil? I seen all the arguments from both sides and I couldn't care less either way. It's not important for our salvation. There is no Catholic side to this. Stop promoting as if FE is the Catholic Position.You do care about the fact that the shape of the earth is flat; you keep posting in Flat Earth threads.
It seems it was important to people of Science back in St. Basil's day. Regardless of the grave problems of Science, this topic does not need to be debated as if it has Religious significance. After all, as long as one has God as the base and power behind all, what does it matter? God could have made the Earth flat just as He could have made it round. What's the difference as long as one believes He made it and sent His Son to Redeem mankind on it.
So long as one has God as the Creator, what makes the shape so important?
This is not a flat earth site. This is supposedly a Catholic site. I keep posting on these threads to warn you and others to not attach any importance to this matter. We can already see the damage it's doing to your souls. You keep claiming to be Catholic and ask others if they believe in Dogma but then you yourself more or less elevates a non-religious topic to level of Dogma.
This is not a flat earth site. This is supposedly a Catholic site. I keep posting on these threads to warn you and others to not attach any importance to this matter. We can already see the damage it's doing to your souls. You keep claiming to be Catholic and ask others if they believe in Dogma but then you yourself more or less elevates a non-religious topic to level of Dogma.God created the Flat Earth; of course the Flat Earth subject will be heavily discussed on a Catholic forum within a Catholic Circle. This subject will continue to go around and around. ;D 8)
This is not a flat earth site. This is supposedly a Catholic site. I keep posting on these threads to warn you and others to not attach any importance to this matter. We can already see the damage it's doing to your souls. You keep claiming to be Catholic and ask others if they believe in Dogma but then you yourself more or less elevates a non-religious topic to level of Dogma.Some of the people on CathInfo.com who believe the earth is globe claim this is not a Flat Earth site; they are sure continuing to turn this site into one. That means our side is prevailing. ;D ;) :popcorn:
I agree that modern science has had a factor in the paganization of society but that's only because they have taken God out of the equation. It's not because they claim the Earth is a globe. This is all very irrelevant, as the quote provided shows, and actually detracts from what matters.
Some of the people on CathInfo.com who believe the earth is globe claim this is not a Flat Earth site; they are sure continuing to turn this site into one. That means our side is prevailing. ;D ;) :popcorn:God created the Flat Earth; you may not think God's complete creation is of importance, but, I do.
The reason it matters is this: modern science has been a great factor in the increase of the Paganization of our society. Do you disagree?
When or if people come to this site possibly in search of Catholic Truth and all they see is people debating the shape of the Earth, how disposed do you think they will be to continue their search here. Especially if there are those who view Scripture like protestants and make their own interpretations.
The only thing "your side" (lol) is prevailing in is looking ridiculous. I am trying to help you by showing that this really has no importance to a Catholic. If you were to discuss things that could actually be proved from Scripture verses, say a protestant or someone in the V2 religion, then that would be worthwhile. Your quotes and "proof", which are mostly gained from amateur YouTubers, only serve to show that you all are either shills or very inept in the way of common sense.
I agree that modern science has had a factor in the paganization of society but that's only because they have taken God out of the equation. It's not because they claim the Earth is a globe. This is all very irrelevant, as the quote provided shows, and actually detracts from what matters.
Yes, and there are explicit condemnations and Dogmas concerning these things. I look at this place as a way to get Catholics all on the same page pertaining to Church Dogma. This is where we should be exploring the differences. After all, the true and proper Faith is the only way to heaven. Dividing those who call themselves Catholics further on a matter as unimportant as FE is not only a waste of time but is detrimental.
You seem to forget that they took God OUT of the equation by CHANGING THE MODEL OF HIS CREATION.
I agree that modern science has had a factor in the paganization of society but that's only because they have taken God out of the equation.
That scripture passage reminds me of the people trying unsuccessfully to turn a Line into a Sphere; It will NEVER work and yet they keep trying. :jester: They continue to prove us right. :applause:So is or isn't it?
The reason it matters is this: modern science has been a great factor in the increase of the Paganization of our society. Do you disagree?People figured out that the earth is not flat long before modern science. :fryingpan: This IS NOT a modern science concoction.
Quote from St. Basil:This is a special kind of dense: Acknowledging that St. Basil says the shape is unimportant, and then trying to prove what his view was by referring to his similes & metaphors, the very methods that he says are inconclusive. WOW!
"He [Moses] has passed over in silence, as useless, all that is unimportant for us."
I understand what St. Basil is saying. It seems that his view was that we can give too much importance as to the shape of the earth, or eclipses, etc.
There was a time when debating the shape of the earth would not have been needed, but it is needed now, IMO, given what has become of science. I do think that spending a lot of time speculating about the shape of the earth can take away from other things that we should be doing instead. However, St. Basil does not say what he believes the shape of the earth to be. He does say this in chapter four of the Hexaemeron:
...."Heaven, poised like a dome, to quote the words of the prophet; [1523] earth, this immense mass which rests upon itself; the air around it, of a soft and fluid nature, a true and continual nourishment for all who breathe it...[...]."
St. Basil does refer to Heaven as "poised like a dome," and that..."this immense earth which rests upon itself," which to me seems like it refers to a flat plane, though that may be debatable.
Link to chapter four here:
https://www.elpenor.org/basil/hexaemeron.asp?pg=32
People figured out that the earth is not flat long before modern science. :fryingpan: This IS NOT a modern science concoction.It's hardly just to the field to blame it, or scientists as such, for this sad state of affairs.
If you truly thought the fact that the shape of the earth is flat is really that unimportant, you wouldn't continue post in Flat Earth threads. I think you might be in the process of converting to our side. :jumping2: :applause:Which are you--a delusional dumbass or an infiltrator?
Which are you--a delusional dumbass or an infiltrator?If this were just some secular thread, what would this behaivior likely be deemed?
You seem to forget that they took God OUT of the equation by CHANGING THE MODEL OF HIS CREATION.This post serves as good of an example of mental disconnect as I have seen.
You cannot have an insignificant, God-less world in an infinite space unless you change it from being the protected enclosed flat plane of the Bible and turn it into a tiny ball, whirling, spinning planet, travelling aimlessly through a vast void of many other distant, unreachable, whirling, spinning planets.
If this were just some secular thread, what would this behaivior likely be deemed?They're trolling us BECAUSE it's a Catholic website. They wouldn't be nearly as interested in trolling us otherwise. All of the single-issue new members that have came out to advance flat-earth screams troll at me.
I dub it "troll".
Nothing more or less. Nothing Catholic, just trolls, no?
They're trolling us BECAUSE it's a Catholic website. They wouldn't be nearly as interested in trolling us otherwise. All of the single-issue new members that have came out to advance flat-earth screams troll at me.Not to mention they'd be digitally tarred, feathered, and then run off if they tried this crap at most other places, at least the ones that ceased to be amused at the knuckle-dragging, "Look ma, I can tie my shoes standing semi-erect like when I'm caught on camera running away from 'Bigfoot' fans. Well, I mean if I had shoes, still...", off a chromosome "Catholics", because they aren't constrained by things like Moral Phil/Theol.
Not to mention they'd be digitally tarred, feathered, and then run off if they tried this crap at most other places, at least the ones that ceased to be amused at the knuckle-dragging, "Look ma, I can tie my shoes standing semi-erect like when I'm caught on camera running away from 'Bigfoot' fans. Well, I mean if I had shoes, still...", off a chromosome "Catholics", because they aren't constrained by things like Moral Phil/Theol.They should be banned for their protestant misuse of the Bible, for preferring protestant versions of the Bible, and heretically implying dogma where there is none.
They should be banned for their protestant misuse of the Bible, for preferring protestant versions of the Bible, and heretically implying dogma where there is none.Let's not forget thread-jacking that rivals LoL.
It seems it was important to people of Science back in St. Basil's day. Regardless of the grave problems of Science, this topic does not need to be debated as if it has Religious significance. After all, as long as one has God as the base and power behind all, what does it matter? God could have made the Earth flat just as He could have made it round. What's the difference as long as one believes He made it and sent His Son to Redeem mankind on it.
So long as one has God as the Creator, what makes the shape so important?
This guy is definitely a TROLL. I know he read St. Basil's quote and yet he still says that the Bible talks of the flat Earth.Even granted for sake of argument that the saint was wrong, then it's STILL a non-starter, because that's what their methodology consists of. "Lose-lose"
It's beginning to look like this (flat earth) is not only the view of a small little minority but one that is dangerous to the faith.It smacks of a Psyop to me. I don't mean that useful idiots know they're being used, but it would be intersting to do a data mine and analysis as to when this latest batch of stupid flared up, and from whence it came.
A sad little chapter this is turning into.
They're trolling us BECAUSE it's a Catholic website. They wouldn't be nearly as interested in trolling us otherwise. All of the single-issue new members that have came out to advance flat-earth screams troll at me.You just cannot handle the fact that there are real live Catholics who believe in the Creation as described in the Bible, and confirmed by their senses, which is distinctly at odds with your Kabbalistic one.
You just cannot handle the fact that there are real live Catholics who believe in the Creation as described in the Bible, and confirmed by their senses, which is distinctly at odds with your Kabbalistic one.aaaaand you're a troll.
I'm not single-issue, either. I comment on whatever is of interest.
It smacks of a Psyop to me. I don't mean that useful idiots know they're being used, but it would be intersting to do a data mine and analysis as to when this latest batch of stupid flared up, and from whence it came.Wibur Voliva, Orlando Ferguson, Samuel Rowbotham.
Somebody struck the match, and I'd like to know who.
aaaaand you're a troll.
This guy is definitely a TROLL. I know he read St. Basil's quote and yet he still says that the Bible talks of the flat Earth.
DZPlease, You've been a member for, what, six or seven weeks, and you accuse others of being trolls? How do we know that you are not a troll?This post is full of win!
Then I'm waiting for a Saint, Father, Church teaching that contradicts it. Please provide.Happenby has provided you with many, many quotes from Saints, Fathers, etc. that teach flat earth and you've dismissed them all.
Merely providing a quote which shows one believes in it won't suffice. Remember all the things which St. Basil says.
It's beginning to look like this (flat earth) is not only the view of a small little minority but one that is dangerous to the faith.Tornpage signed up June 22, must be a globalist troll.
A sad little chapter this is turning into.
Tornpage signed up June 22, must be a globalist troll.
St. Basil doesn't have the last word, as you seem to believe. It's not like his Hexaemeron is considered de fide.At least not today... :laugh2:
Then I'm waiting for a Saint, Father, Church teaching that contradicts it. Please provide.See what I mean?
Merely providing a quote which shows one believes in it won't suffice. Remember all the things which St. Basil says.
This post is full of win!Yeah, invoke a dead heretic and apostate; that'll show 'em.
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At least not today... :laugh2:
And he's a sedevacantist, which means that he probably doesn't even support the Resistance.Torn "fell to the Dark Side"? Whoo hoo. Way to get off of the fence guy.
'An Even Seven' is also a Sedevacantist, as is DZ PLEASE. I see a pattern here.
Torn "fell to the Dark Side"? Whoo hoo. Way to get off of the fence guy.
Do you support the Resistance?Don't confuse commentary with conversation miss/ma'am.
Don't confuse commentary with conversation miss/ma'am.
.Do you support the Resistance?Don't confuse commentary with conversation miss/ma'am.
You obviously do not support the Resistance,...
You obviously do not support the Resistance,...
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RoughAshlar signed up May 15, must be a globalist troll.Sure, I believe in the globe. When I signed up on this forum, I never heard of flat earth before. I have yet to see a list of living resistance Catholic Priests and/or Bishops that teach flat earth. Are resistance priests, traditional Catholic school teachers, and faithful that attend mass trolls too? You have a dozen or two flat earth believers in the resistance? And everyone who doesn't agree with you are trolls?
Dizzy, I know that you have the ability to write clearly, because I've seen it on occasion. However, you tend to write incoherently when you don't want to answer a question. That's rather silly, even for a Sede.Don't confuse commentary with conversation miss/ma'am.
I'm fairly certain that most of the flat-earthers here DO support the Resistance.
And yet....the globe-earther Sedevacantists, who accuse the flat earthers of being trolls, do not support the Resistance, from what I can tell. Do you understand the distinction?
Don't confuse commentary with conversation miss/ma'am.
Sure, I believe in the globe. When I signed up on this forum, I never heard of flat earth before. I have yet to see a list of living resistance Catholic Priests and/or Bishops that teach flat earth. Are resistance priests, traditional Catholic school teachers, and faithful that attend mass trolls too? You have a dozen or two flat earth believers in the resistance? And everyone who doesn't agree with you are trolls?It's the globe-earther Sedevacantists who have been accusing flat-earthers of being trolls lately on this thread. And they don't support the Resistance. So accusing flat-earthers of being trolls is hypocritical. You'll have to read all of the posts for today to see what I mean.
:popcorn:Do you support the Resistance?
You obviously do not support the Resistance,...
Do you support the Resistance? It's a simple question.
You obviously do not support the Resistance,...
Do you support the Resistance? It's a simple question.
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Since you do not support the Resistance, why do you accuse those who do of being trolls?With "support" like that...
Yeah DZ, this is perfectly logical... :laugh1:So I DIDN'T drink so much Nyquil that I forgot that I did, right?
Yeah DZ, this is perfectly logical... :laugh1:
With "support" like that...
I do not. So what?
I do not. So what?This is a Resistance board. Most of us here actually attend a Resistance Mass. If you do not attend, nor support the Resistance then why the h*ll are you here? Here to argue and cause trouble? Sounds like the very definition of troll to me.
This is a Resistance board. Most of us here actually attend a Resistance Mass. If you do not attend, nor support the Resistance then why the h*ll are you here? Here to argue and cause trouble? Sounds like the very definition of troll to me.(https://www.cathinfo.com/images/catholic_forum.gif) (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php)
Do you support the Resistance? As you are a Sede, I would think not.Well, well, isn't that interesting?
Well, well, isn't that interesting?Human respect is a bumpy road with a reeeeeeally steep drop-off at the end.
The two globalists, DZ Please and Even Seven, do not attend nor support the Resistance.
That doesn't make them look very good, does it?
Did he really say that?I just... wow.
Yeah, well . . . flat earth "dogma." :(
You obviously do not support the Resistance, as a sedevacantist. That's okay. But why are you here, exactly?Your female logic & reasoning is starting to show. Isn't there a man that you should be making a sandwich for right now?
And why are the other Sedevacantists on this thread?
It's the globe-earther Sedevacantists who have been accusing flat-earthers of being trolls lately on this thread. And they don't support the Resistance. So accusing flat-earthers of being trolls is hypocritical. You'll have to read all of the posts for today to see what I mean.Yes--I did. Now I think my head is done with the spin cycle and is ready for the rinse cycle. I'm not sure I can even think straight after that session of somersault logic.
Since you do not support the Resistance, why do you accuse those who do of being trolls?This really isn't how "argument" and "logic" work.
At least we support the Resistance, and as such are not trolls. And the Resistance bishops, while they do not endorse the flat-earth, they also have not said that we cannot debate it. We are allowed to debate it. That's how the Church works. We can debate that which has not been solemnly defined, isn't that right?Sure, you can debate it and look like trailer park trash describing an alien landing, if you like. I just take issue with the flat-earthers asserting, or coming flirtingly close to asserting, that flat-earth is dogma. I further take issue with the ones misusing the Bible like protestants do. And the diabolical obsession with the topic--page after page in thread after thread. This IS NOT a matter necessary to the Faith.
Of course you'll not provide a coherent answer.
Your female logic & reasoning is starting to show. Isn't there a man that you should be making a sandwich for right now?I gave you a thumbs up, OHCA, and I'm a female!
the diabolical obsession with the topic--page after page in thread after thread.
The Church is definitely in eclipse.
The Blessed Mother warned the world at La Salette when she said, "Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Anti-Christ...the Church will be in eclipse."
I gave you a thumbs up, OHCA, and I'm a female!
I too am fed up with
And what has sedevacant or resistance got to do with it? I don't belong to any of these camps. I'm just a Catholic. These people should be somehow confined - silly as cut snakes! I wonder if Matthew can do something?
If Sedevacantism can be debated, then it makes sense that the Flat earth can be debated as well. The forum is mainly a Resistance forum (not a sedevacantist or flat earth forum) and yet both are allowed to be discussed (though I am NOT a fan of sedevacantism myself). Even BoD, which is quite controversial, is allowed.:facepalm:
Sure, you can debate it and look like trailer park trash describing an alien landing, if you like. I just take issue with the flat-earthers asserting, or coming flirtingly close to asserting, that flat-earth is dogma. I further take issue with the ones misusing the Bible like protestants do. And the diabolical obsession with the topic--page after page in thread after thread. This IS NOT a matter necessary to the Faith.
I've yet to see the elusive "Flat earth is Dogma" from any flat earthers. You'll have to show specific posts in which this is shown.
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Flat Earth Dogma is in the Book of Genesis in the Holy Bible.
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Not ignoring. I'd forgotten about that one. I think the assertion was that it's dogma because it's part of Sacred Scripture. Or something like that. I don't agree, of course, that it's dogma, at least in the sense that it's one of the defined dogmas of the Catholic Church.Sure... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAyRPsDkGMs)
Sure... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAyRPsDkGMs)
I've yet to see the elusive "Flat earth is Dogma" from any flat earthers. You'll have to show specific posts in which this is shown.I see that you acknowledge that Truth is Eternal has crossed the line on this issue. What about happenby's private interpretation of Holy Scripture and her insistence that flat-earth is the Catholic position? Are you bothered by her preaching/teaching 1) as a woman and/or 2) based largely on her private interpretation of Holy Scripture? And doesn't she, if she falls just short of declaring it dogma, come flirtingly close to doing so?
Yes, it can sometimes be an obsession, but I cannot see that it is diabolical, since there were Church Fathers who taught the flat earth. Unless you believe that those Church Fathers were under diabolical influence.
I see that you acknowledge that Truth is Eternal has crossed the line on this issue. What about happenby's private interpretation of Holy Scripture and her insistence that flat-earth is the Catholic position? Are you bothered by her preaching/teaching 1) as a woman and/or 2) based largely on her private interpretation of Holy Scripture? And doesn't she, if she falls just short of declaring it dogma, come flirtingly close to doing so?
(... scripture is part of the dogma of the Church),...:confused:
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2017, 00:39:53 »Flat Earth Dogma is in the Book of Genesis in the Holy Bible.
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I see that you acknowledge that Truth is Eternal has crossed the line on this issue. What about happenby's private interpretation of Holy Scripture and her insistence that flat-earth is the Catholic position? Are you bothered by her preaching/teaching 1) as a woman and/or 2) based largely on her private interpretation of Holy Scripture? And doesn't she, if she falls just short of declaring it dogma, come flirtingly close to doing so?What I've reproduced in these threads is not just my private interpretation. If it was, a whole host of people would be able to produce contrary texts teaching round earth and heliocentrism from the early Church. But they never do, because it doesn't exist. Ten years of study on this subject proves that 100% of traditional Catholic teachings reveal a geocentric flat earth. As for me being a woman, tough beans. Take the wheel when you are able to repeat the truth. For now, not one Catholic man has proof against scripture, Church Fathers, popes, saints, true science, mathematics, measuring sticks and a whole host of writings from other authoritative sources regarding flat earth.
What I've reproduced in these threads is not just my private interpretation. If it was, a whole host of people would be able to produce contrary texts teaching round earth and heliocentrism from the early Church. But they never do, because it doesn't exist. Ten years of study on this subject proves that 100% of traditional Catholic teachings reveal a geocentric flat earth. As for me being a woman, tough beans. Take the wheel when you are able to repeat the truth. For now, not one Catholic man has proof against scripture, Church Fathers, popes, saints, true science, mathematics, measuring sticks and a whole host of writings from other authoritative sources regarding flat earth.Examples of "proof":
Examples of "proof":If even one of your posts made sense...
1. "You have stupid hair."
2. "Shut up, that's why!"
or is that "argument"?
Made sense to me.Painata time...
Uh oh.
Any second now . . .
I see that you acknowledge that Truth is Eternal has crossed the line on this issue. What about happenby's private interpretation of Holy Scripture and her insistence that flat-earth is the Catholic position? Are you bothered by her preaching/teaching 1) as a woman and/or 2) based largely on her private interpretation of Holy Scripture? And doesn't she, if she falls just short of declaring it dogma, come flirtingly close to doing so?As a man, I am bothered by your 1) flapping jaws and 2) your denial of Scripture.
Painata time...See, happenby, he DID go to public school, he can't spell pinata.
See, happenby, he DID go to public school, he can't spell pinata.There once was a man(?) named Tradplorable,
But his meter is really good. LOLIt was... deliberate?
Maybe he was punning btw, "painata." My back does hurt.THANK YOU! Twice.
Anyway, he's running rings around your private education.
See, happenby, he DID go to public school, he can't spell pinata.Also can't think, can't understand... I'd say he CAN be smarmy, but he'll probably think I'm saying something racist.
Yeah . . . that was smooth as honey. Nice job, metrically, all around.I messed up a tense in my haste, but you're too kind.
Also can't think, can't understand... I'd say he CAN be smarmy, but he'll probably think I'm saying something racist.Says that I make no sense, that she doesn't understand, then says that I can't think.
If you don't understand someone, don't assume he can't think. I assure you . . . but then I probably can't think either on account of the spell of my spinnin' and wobblin' earth under the great cosmological model deception.:laugh2:
If you don't understand someone, don't assume he can't think. I assure you . . . but then I probably can't think either on account of the spell of my spinnin' and wobblin' earth under the great cosmological model deception.I totally understand that he doesn't understand. Plus, it stands to reason that your not being able to think should definitely be blamed on the chaotic commotions going on in the sphere of your mind.
I totally understand that he doesn't understand. Plus, it stands to reason that your not being able to think should definitely be blamed on the chaotic commotions going on in the sphere of your mind.youtube.com/watch?v=ObHy29dfgfU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObHy29dfgfU)
.Neil is still trying to pass of his CGIS' as photographs.
First the bad news. You're definitely hooked on flat-earthism.............
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