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Offline Merry

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What to make of this Nazi reference?
« on: February 12, 2018, 09:54:34 PM »
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  • I am reading a book about converts.  And currently the story concerns Eva-Maria Jung.  She is Protestant and German, and is toying with the Catholic Church.  Her father disapproves.  At one point the narrative reads:

    "Angry and despairing of being able to control my actions in a large city like Berlin, my father decided to send me to a State boarding college in Westphalia.  The school was thoroughly Nazi in its teaching and its training methods.  The day started with a sort of Nazi service in the courtyard.  In all kinds of weather we gathered in the open air before dawn.  The flag was hoisted; we sang Deutschland uber Alles and Die Fahne hoch.  A  passage from Mein Kampf was read while we shivered in the cold....

    " The end came, however, in an almost miraculous manner.  Twice a week we underwent what was styled 'religious instruction.'  We were taught that the great enemies of German were the Communists, the Jews, and the Catholic Church.  Every time I tried to contradict, I was silenced immediately.  But one day toward the end of the school year, a strange thing happened.  After a moment of reflection, the instructor asked me to speak about the nature of Catholicism...".

    Of course by the end of the chapter about her, she had joined the Church.  But my question is, unless she is lying, she is saying that this apparently official Nazi school was anti-Catholic.  How can that be, when there are proponents of the Nazis who say they are misunderstood and misrepresented and actually supported the Church, etc.?  Are there explanations for this disconnect?   
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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #1 on: February 12, 2018, 10:45:20 PM »
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  • I am reading a book about converts.  And currently the story concerns Eva-Maria Jung.  She is Protestant and German, and is toying with the Catholic Church.  Her father disapproves.  At one point the narrative reads:

    "Angry and despairing of being able to control my actions in a large city like Berlin, my father decided to send me to a State boarding college in Westphalia.  The school was thoroughly Nazi in its teaching and its training methods.  The day started with a sort of Nazi service in the courtyard.  In all kinds of weather we gathered in the open air before dawn.  The flag was hoisted; we sang Deutschland uber Alles and Die Fahne hoch.  A  passage from Mein Kampf was read while we shivered in the cold....

    " The end came, however, in an almost miraculous manner.  Twice a week we underwent what was styled 'religious instruction.'  We were taught that the great enemies of German were the Communists, the Jews, and the Catholic Church.  Every time I tried to contradict, I was silenced immediately.  But one day toward the end of the school year, a strange thing happened.  After a moment of reflection, the instructor asked me to speak about the nature of Catholicism...".

    Of course by the end of the chapter about her, she had joined the Church.  But my question is, unless she is lying, she is saying that this apparently official Nazi school was anti-Catholic.  How can that be, when there are proponents of the Nazis who say they are misunderstood and misrepresented and actually supported the Church, etc.?  Are there explanations for this disconnect?  


    I find your post wanting of detail to be able to provide a fair assessment... but, I can say this, Germany consisted of a greater population of protestants than Catholics, primarily Lutheran. So I'd have to ask, how can one be certain that this school was nothing but a typical protestant institution? Weren't all protestant institutions anti-catholic?


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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 01:26:12 AM »
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  • She does not get into who her father was and what he was doing - was he a Nazi.  But as she says it was a Nazi school, I have to take her at her word.  Sorry there is no more to go by.
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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 05:23:52 AM »
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  • I would imagine that she was exaggerating and if she was not, then it was a lone instance of anti-Catholicism, and not the norm.
    If it was a real 'nazi' school it could have been run by the more pagan wing of the party.  The national socialists had multiple different wings in the party, take Alfred Rosenberg, who was extremely anti catholic and 2 of his books on the Index; but he was not in the mainstream of the party.  Hitler said you could not be pagan and national socialist in a speech, he had plans of cleansing the party of the pagan element after the war.  It is very possible that the school taught anti catholic things, and she exaggerated it a bit too. 

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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 11:59:07 PM »
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  • I am reading a book about converts.  And currently the story concerns Eva-Maria Jung.  She is Protestant and German, and is toying with the Catholic Church.  Her father disapproves.  At one point the narrative reads:

    "Angry and despairing of being able to control my actions in a large city like Berlin, my father decided to send me to a State boarding college in Westphalia.  The school was thoroughly Nazi in its teaching and its training methods.  The day started with a sort of Nazi service in the courtyard.  In all kinds of weather we gathered in the open air before dawn.  The flag was hoisted; we sang Deutschland uber Alles and Die Fahne hoch.  A  passage from Mein Kampf was read while we shivered in the cold....

    " The end came, however, in an almost miraculous manner.  Twice a week we underwent what was styled 'religious instruction.'  We were taught that the great enemies of German were the Communists, the Jews, and the Catholic Church.  Every time I tried to contradict, I was silenced immediately.  But one day toward the end of the school year, a strange thing happened.  After a moment of reflection, the instructor asked me to speak about the nature of Catholicism...".

    Of course by the end of the chapter about her, she had joined the Church.  But my question is, unless she is lying, she is saying that this apparently official Nazi school was anti-Catholic.  How can that be, when there are proponents of the Nazis who say they are misunderstood and misrepresented and actually supported the Church, etc.?  Are there explanations for this disconnect?  
    There is no misunderstanding here. The Nazis were enemies of the Catholic Church.  


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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #5 on: February 14, 2018, 10:26:32 AM »
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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #6 on: February 17, 2018, 02:04:32 AM »
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  • In the case of National Socialists, the largest grave of Catholic priests is Dachau.

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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #7 on: February 17, 2018, 11:25:06 AM »
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  • In the case of National Socialists, the largest grave of Catholic priests is Dachau.
    How about the tens of thousands killed by the communists?  Compared to a couple hundred dissident and treaty breaking german priests who died of disease...



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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #8 on: February 17, 2018, 09:42:12 PM »
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  • How about the tens of thousands killed by the communists?  Compared to a couple hundred dissident and treaty breaking german priests who died of disease...
    They were both evil.

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    NAZI and Communists both Frankist Jews ie Satanistas
    « Reply #9 on: February 18, 2018, 11:49:42 PM »
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  • See Miles Mathis PDF files on Hitler and Marx. This "Man in the Middle" attack of WWII was a fake to croak moral Christians and Jews by royal, yes, royal Frankist Satanistas expelled from Judaism for 1,000 years by the rabbinical Council of Four Lands. Are Catholics this lazy or ignorant? The Von Trapp family left Austria after the final straw of the removal of crucifixes from public schools. Marx was from the wealthy nobility as was Lenin and Hitler and his Satanista Jewish officials and financiers. Do your homework and look up Frankist Jews who were well supported by Muslim crypto-Satanists. Same with the Polish pogroms that croaked Catholic priests and real Jews via the piratical Cossack Satanista Kimmel Nitzky--read that Nicky Kimmel--with Turks/Tatars. Man in the Middle attack. Jews thought it was Christians and Catholics thought it was Muslims. Same here with crypto resistance dividing and conquering Catholics as managed opposition. 
    Pray and work and lift a finger to look up the Miles Mathis geneologies on all your fake villains and fake heroic types. Thanks.   :incense:

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    Re: NAZI and Communists both Frankist Jews ie Satanistas
    « Reply #10 on: February 19, 2018, 12:27:37 AM »
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  • See Miles Mathis PDF files on Hitler and Marx. This "Man in the Middle" attack of WWII was a fake to croak moral Christians and Jews by royal, yes, royal Frankist Satanistas expelled from Judaism for 1,000 years by the rabbinical Council of Four Lands. Are Catholics this lazy or ignorant? The Von Trapp family left Austria after the final straw of the removal of crucifixes from public schools. Marx was from the wealthy nobility as was Lenin and Hitler and his Satanista Jewish officials and financiers. Do your homework and look up Frankist Jews who were well supported by Muslim crypto-Satanists. Same with the Polish pogroms that croaked Catholic priests and real Jews via the piratical Cossack Satanista Kimmel Nitzky--read that Nicky Kimmel--with Turks/Tatars. Man in the Middle attack. Jews thought it was Christians and Catholics thought it was Muslims. Same here with crypto resistance dividing and conquering Catholics as managed opposition.
    Pray and work and lift a finger to look up the Miles Mathis geneologies on all your fake villains and fake heroic types. Thanks.   :incense:
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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #11 on: February 19, 2018, 12:32:59 AM »
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  • Google Jacob Frank and separately Google Miles Mathis Hitler or Miles Mathis Marx. Read PDF files and get the Big Picture. Then try his stuff on Napoleon and the French Revolution scam. Lift finger. Read. Thanks.

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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #12 on: February 21, 2018, 02:43:36 PM »
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  • There is no misunderstanding here. The Nazis were enemies of the Catholic Church.  
    BS. The Communists posing as priests were the enemy.
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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #13 on: February 21, 2018, 02:51:02 PM »
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  • In the case of National Socialists, the largest grave of Catholic priests is Dachau.
    Who were interred there for being Communist and pedophiles. The fact that they died from Allied bombings and disease doesn't prove anything about anti-Catholicism. 
    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco

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    Re: What to make of this Nazi reference?
    « Reply #14 on: February 22, 2018, 11:56:59 PM »
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  • Who were interred there for being Communist and pedophiles. The fact that they died from Allied bombings and disease doesn't prove anything about anti-Catholicism.
    They were there because of the anti Catholic nature of the National Socialist movement.

     

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