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What to make of Alois Irlmaier
« on: October 19, 2025, 08:10:33 PM »
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  • One AI's take  -- Grok:

    Who was Alois Irlmaier and did he make his living in a way that is condemned by the Catholic Church?

    Alois Irlmaier (June 8, 1894 – July 26, 1959) was a German well-digger, dowser, and clairvoyant from Bavaria, known for his alleged psychic abilities and prophecies about future global conflicts, including a potential World War III. Born to a farming family in Scharam bei Siegsdorf, he served as a soldier in World War I from 1914 to 1916, during which he reportedly began experiencing visions. In 1920, he married Maria Schieslinger, with whom he raised four children (one a foster child), and took over his family's farm before transitioning to well-building in 1928. He became renowned for using dowsing rods to locate underground water sources and later for clairvoyant feats, such as helping police find missing persons, lost objects, and even murder victims during and after World War II. His prophecies, often apocalyptic, were compiled posthumously from interviews and reportedly influenced figures like U.S. General Lucius D. Clay and German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer. Irlmaier described himself as a devout Catholic and attributed his abilities to divine gifts, though he faced skepticism and legal scrutiny.

    Irlmaier primarily earned his living as a professional well-digger and dowser, charging for services to locate and build wells using dowsing techniques. He also provided clairvoyant consultations, such as finding missing people or offering prophecies, for which he was accused in 1947 of illegal clairvoyance for profit; however, he was acquitted after witnesses attested to his accuracy and goodwill, with no evidence of fraud. Some sources claim he had prior convictions for fraud, though this is unverified and may stem from mistranslations or unconfirmed reports. Yes, these methods of earning a living—dowsing and clairvoyance (fortune-telling or prophecy via visions)—are condemned by the Catholic Church as forms of divination, which involves seeking hidden or future knowledge through improper, supernatural means outside of divine revelation. The Church views such practices as sinful superstitions that usurp God's prerogative over the future, potentially involving demonic influence, and explicitly forbids them under the First Commandment, citing Scriptures like Deuteronomy 18:9-12 (prohibiting diviners and charmers) and Hosea 4:12 (condemning divining rods). This aligns with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (paragraphs 2115-2117), which rejects all divination as contrary to trust in God's providence. Despite this, Irlmaier maintained his Catholic faith and did not see his abilities as conflicting with it.








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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #1 on: October 19, 2025, 08:33:30 PM »
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  • There's a difference between having visions or dreams (which are uncontrollable), to actively practicing divination, which is like witchcraft.  :facepalm:  "Prophecy" is a gift of the Holy Ghost, which many saints had, at certain times.  Being clairvoyant is a gift; you either have it or you don't.  Has nothing to do with the occult.


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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2025, 08:44:46 PM »
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  • Grok continues: 

    How plausible or credible are his prophecies and how can we trust their 100% authenticity and accuracy seeing as they were compiled posthumously from interviews?

    Alois Irlmaier's prophecies, particularly those concerning a potential World War III, societal collapse, natural disasters, and a period of "three days of darkness," have a mixed level of plausibility and credibility. They are often viewed through lenses of faith, folklore, or skepticism, with no definitive scientific validation. On one hand, his reputation stems from reportedly accurate predictions during his lifetime (e.g., foreseeing bomb impacts and locating missing persons during World War II), which were attested by witnesses in a 1947 fraud trial where he was acquitted, with the court noting his abilities as "almost impossible to explain using the known forces of nature." Supporters, including Catholic enthusiasts and authors like Stephan Berndt, argue that his visions align with other mystical prophecies (e.g., from Fatima or Blessed Anna Maria Taigi) and have partially fulfilled elements, such as references to Cold War tensions or modern geopolitical unrest. However, skeptics criticize them as products of his era's anxieties—particularly post-WWII and Cold War fears of Soviet invasion, nuclear war, and European instability—rather than genuine foresight. Many prophecies are vague, symbolic, or open to interpretation (e.g., "yellow powder" as chemical weapons or "dead zones" as nuclear fallout), allowing for retrofitting to current events, which reduces their predictive rigor. From a Catholic perspective, such private revelations are not dogmatic and should be discerned critically, focusing on spiritual messages like repentance rather than literal forecasts. Overall, while anecdotal evidence supports some short-term accuracy, the long-term apocalyptic visions lack empirical proof and are often seen as folklore or intuition amplified by cultural context.

    Regarding trust in their 100% authenticity and accuracy, especially given the posthumous compilation from interviews, it is generally low due to inherent limitations in the sourcing. Irlmaier did not write down his prophecies himself; they were primarily oral, shared during free consultations in his hut or spontaneous visions. Contemporary records include a 1947 newspaper interview by journalist Conrad Adlmaier, a 1957 German government commission interrogation, and articles in periodicals like Neues Europa (1956–1959), based on direct conversations or notes from visitors. After his 1959 death, these were pieced together in books by researchers like Wolfgang Johannes Bekh (e.g., 1976 and 1990 works compiling quotes and conversations) and Stephan Berndt (2009 book organizing visions from original interviews and reports). This second-hand nature introduces risks of distortion, selective memory, embellishment, or conflation with other seers' predictions, as compilers relied on recollections from witnesses, some years later. Irlmaier's 15 prior convictions (including seven for fraud) and trial contradictions noted by some witnesses further fuel doubts about reliability. No strong evidence of outright hoax exists, but the lack of verifiable originals means full trust is unwarranted; they are best approached as historical curiosities rather than infallible truths.


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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2025, 09:16:53 PM »
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  • :facepalm:  It's a prophecy.  You only know if it's accurate when all the events are over.  

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #4 on: October 20, 2025, 07:23:53 AM »
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  • Timely bump here ...

    please see this post I made, where one commentator who knew Irlmaier says that USA/Russian tensions had been on the rise when there's a meeting scheduled "on short notice" in Bucharest or Budapest, and that at this conference the US President would be αssαssιnαtҽd and the VP would immediately declare war.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/world-war-iii-chapter-2/the-prophecies-of-alois-irlmaier/msg1002714/#msg1002714


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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #5 on: October 20, 2025, 07:26:00 AM »
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  • Trump said that it could take place "within two weeks", so this fits the bill of a peace summit called after rising tensions, and arranged on "short notice" ... two weeks' notice?

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #6 on: October 20, 2025, 08:22:29 AM »
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  • Ladislaus, I agree. These are important developments to watch.  Something has to happen soon.  

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #7 on: October 20, 2025, 11:42:53 AM »
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  • :facepalm:  It's a prophecy.  You only know if it's accurate when all the events are over. 

    There's no need to wait for the future to unfold to make an assessment on the accuracy of whether a so-called prophecy and or its exactitude (i.e., accuracy) of its details was ever actually made in the first place.  That was how the word accuracy was used in the quote I had provided.  A so-called prophecy could have been made, but it's retelling to the public after the supposed seer died could always have been distorted or even fabricated. That's the question at issue.  


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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #8 on: October 20, 2025, 12:22:01 PM »
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  • There's no need to wait for the future to unfold to make an assessment on the accuracy of whether a so-called prophecy and or its exactitude (i.e., accuracy) of its details was ever actually made in the first place.  That was how the word accuracy was used in the quote I had provided.  A so-called prophecy could have been made, but it's retelling to the public after the supposed seer died could always have been distorted or even fabricated. That's the question at issue. 
    Even if this Alois guy never existed, SOMEBODY made these predictions DECADES ago.  And they're pretty darn accurate.  That's all that matters; I don't care if it Alois or Hitler's cousin.

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #9 on: October 20, 2025, 06:30:07 PM »
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  • So, the "could have been distorted" thing is typically used to get false prophets "off the hook", as it were, so if something they predict doesn't come to pass, they can just claim their prediction had been altered.  People didn't stand all day for years in a 100-person-deep line if there wasn't something to Irlmaier.  He's made predictions that were docuмented, like eerily mentioning what sounds like smart phones (colorful cigarette boxes that people keep staring at) and during WW3 a bomb that's droppped off the coast of England that'll submerge a large part of the country (look up Russia's Tsunami bomb), and then he talked about a huge wave of these white unmanned air ships flying by the 10s of thousands over Europe to drop some small payload (before anyone had dreamt of unmanned drones).

    BTW, he speaks of these drones that drop the green/yelllow powder as rising up out of the hot sands, and then flying OVER where he lived in Austria, but that people shouldn't be afraid, and they would drop the weapon north of them, starting with Prague and going up to the North Sea.  So a line OVER Austria from some Hot Sands could very well be from Tunisia.



    If you look on a map, a straight line between Tunisia and Prague goes right over Austria.

    https://www.africanews.com/2020/10/01/tunisia-signs-10-year-military-deal-with-us//

    Notice how he was saber rattling against Russia when he made the announcement.

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #10 on: October 20, 2025, 07:09:47 PM »
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  • Here's the flight path from Tunis (Tunisia) to Prague ...


    You'll notice that it makes a direct line over Salzburg (shown here on the map)



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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #11 on: October 20, 2025, 10:40:40 PM »
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  • One AI's take  -- Grok:

    Who was Alois Irlmaier and did he make his living in a way that is condemned by the Catholic Church?

     

     Yes, these methods of earning a living—dowsing and clairvoyance (fortune-telling or prophecy via visions)—are condemned by the Catholic Church as forms of divination, which involves seeking hidden or future knowledge through improper, supernatural means outside of divine revelation. The Church views such practices as sinful superstitions that usurp God's prerogative over the future, potentially involving demonic influence, and explicitly forbids them under the First Commandment, citing Scriptures like Deuteronomy 18:9-12 (prohibiting diviners and charmers) and Hosea 4:12 (condemning divining rods). This aligns with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (paragraphs 2115-2117), which rejects all divination as contrary to trust in God's providence. Despite this, Irlmaier maintained his Catholic faith and did not see his abilities as conflicting with it.

    And it is claimed that he was a devout Catholic.  Without looking into it, I would not be surprised if a lot of false mystics -- and I am not asserting one way or the other that he was one of them -- in some 2,000 years of Church history have also been considered devout Catholics.  I certainly hope he was and that he saved his soul, but this strange and grave divergence remains to be seen as a baffling disconnect of sorts.  

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #12 on: October 21, 2025, 07:52:51 AM »
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  • And it is claimed that he was a devout Catholic.  Without looking into it, I would not be surprised if a lot of false mystics -- and I am not asserting one way or the other that he was one of them -- in some 2,000 years of Church history have also been considered devout Catholics.  I certainly hope he was and that he saved his soul, but this strange and grave divergence remains to be seen as a baffling disconnect of sorts. 

    So, yeah, without looking into it, you're content to slander his memory by casting aspersions on whether or not he was a devout Catholic.  Maybe you should "look into it" before slandering the man.  Meanwhile, you're demanding proof of accusations against Massie being a Mason ... while on this thread you're casting aspersions on Irlmaier's character without any evidence at all, since there isn't any.

    Among the many things speaking in favor of Irlmaier is that he never sought either fame or money.  He was actually put on trial, accused of being a charlatan, and was acquitted in court of law after thorough examination.  There were priests who vouched for him.  But, as I said, he never promoted himself, and it was only after he made some accurate predictions that people started coming to HIM in order to ask quetions.

    There's no reason to cast aspersions on his being a devout Catholic.  Just because you're claim that you're "not asserting one way or ther other", you're absolutely implying something and your Pilate-like attempt to wash your hands of it does not exonerate you.  You can make a hollow gesture, lip service, that you don't mean to cast aspersions on his character ... while you're doing precisely that.

    If one wants to assert that he's mistaken, that's your right, but that can be done without impugning their character.  One can believe that mistakes made it into the works of Emmerich or Agreda, either mistakes in interpreting something they saw or simply a confusion between what was given to them and the active role of their own imagination ... all while recognizing that they were very devout and perhaps even holy individuals.

    Since the events that Irlmaier foretold have not come to pass yet, you're not in any position to claim that they're false.  And, nobody here is asserting that they're infallibly true, but are adopting a wait and see attitude, whether Irlmaier was mistaken or perhaps he had certain things he saw that were the product of his own imagination ... all without casting aspertions on his character.  He could likely have become fabulously wealthy, but he repeatedly said during his life that he had no use for money, nor for fame, and would have preferred to be left alone.

    Had Irmaier not had a reputation for accuracy, he would hardly have gotten to the point where so many people consulted him, though.  That's due to something more than dumb luck.

    So, the odds of Irlmaier having predicted ...

    Tensions between US / Russia resulting in a peace conference in Budapest on "short notice" ... these are pretty low for him to have blind-squirreled or broken-clocked his way to that one.

    In addition he clearly described what we now know to be cell phones, and also a Tsunami Bomb that we know the Russians do have now, and a bunch of other things that would be very difficult to land upon with dumb luck.  Now, he's not one of those guys, like modern psychics, or the one guy who got his 15 minute of fame for predicting the assassination attempt on Trump ... where they make literally 100 predictions per day and if they get 1 right after 10 years of doing this, they become celebrities, even if there are 99,999 provably false ones that came before it, since nobody followed them before they became famous to know otherwise.


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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #13 on: October 21, 2025, 01:59:08 PM »
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  • So, yeah, without looking into it, you're content to slander his memory by casting aspersions on whether or not he was a devout Catholic.  Maybe you should "look into it" before slandering the man.  Meanwhile, you're demanding proof of accusations against Massie being a Mason ... while on this thread you're casting aspersions on Irlmaier's character without any evidence at all, since there isn't any.

    Among the many things speaking in favor of Irlmaier is that he never sought either fame or money.  He was actually put on trial, accused of being a charlatan, and was acquitted in court of law after thorough examination.  There were priests who vouched for him.  But, as I said, he never promoted himself, and it was only after he made some accurate predictions that people started coming to HIM in order to ask quetions.

    There's no reason to cast aspersions on his being a devout Catholic.  Just because you're claim that you're "not asserting one way or ther other", you're absolutely implying something and your Pilate-like attempt to wash your hands of it does not exonerate you.  You can make a hollow gesture, lip service, that you don't mean to cast aspersions on his character ... while you're doing precisely that.

    If one wants to assert that he's mistaken, that's your right, but that can be done without impugning their character.  One can believe that mistakes made it into the works of Emmerich or Agreda, either mistakes in interpreting something they saw or simply a confusion between what was given to them and the active role of their own imagination ... all while recognizing that they were very devout and perhaps even holy individuals.

    Since the events that Irlmaier foretold have not come to pass yet, you're not in any position to claim that they're false.  And, nobody here is asserting that they're infallibly true, but are adopting a wait and see attitude, whether Irlmaier was mistaken or perhaps he had certain things he saw that were the product of his own imagination ... all without casting aspertions on his character.  He could likely have become fabulously wealthy, but he repeatedly said during his life that he had no use for money, nor for fame, and would have preferred to be left alone.

    Had Irmaier not had a reputation for accuracy, he would hardly have gotten to the point where so many people consulted him, though.  That's due to something more than dumb luck.

    So, the odds of Irlmaier having predicted ...

    Tensions between US / Russia resulting in a peace conference in Budapest on "short notice" ... these are pretty low for him to have blind-squirreled or broken-clocked his way to that one.

    In addition he clearly described what we now know to be cell phones, and also a Tsunami Bomb that we know the Russians do have now, and a bunch of other things that would be very difficult to land upon with dumb luck.  Now, he's not one of those guys, like modern psychics, or the one guy who got his 15 minute of fame for predicting the assassination attempt on Trump ... where they make literally 100 predictions per day and if they get 1 right after 10 years of doing this, they become celebrities, even if there are 99,999 provably false ones that came before it, since nobody followed them before they became famous to know otherwise.

    Listen Lad.  I realize you are the long time -- no one comes close -- top dog around here with your nearly unbelievable 47 thousand or more posts.  Your word count must be an incredible record as well.  That said, it is easy to see how someone like you could fall into so much pretentiousness such as that exhibited in this long-winded redundant post of yours. 

    Your post is a perfect example of how easily and ridiculously triggered you become.  There is a difference between casting aspersions on someone and legitimately questioning certain aspects of their life.  Nowhere, have I personally denied any claims of personal sanctity in the life of Alois.  What I have done is question how it was that he carried out practices throughout his life that are condemned by the Catholic Church, much the same way a "Devil's Advocate" would be expected to do in the case of a Cause for Sainthood.  You can't seem to handle that but instead go off on me.  Yeah, go figure.

     

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    Re: What to make of Alois Irlmaier
    « Reply #14 on: October 21, 2025, 03:27:10 PM »
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  • I came across an interesting passage in Jone the other day about the general rules of the Index of Forbidden Books. There are general categories of various types of books that are automatically on the list even without being listed, and one of the categories was "books that publish new apparitions, revelations or devotions".

    That pretty much puts an end to all these unapproved "mystics" like this.