Author Topic: Alien Deception (Read 1101 times)

Cera · « **Reply #15 on:** May 29, 2025, 12:14:47 PM »

Quote from: Yeti on May 28, 2025, 04:46:17 PM

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What? I'm not aware of any Catholic tradition about any connection between aliens and demons. First of all, the Church doesn't really talk about aliens except a few rare quotes from various popes or theologians over the years to deny that they exist at all.

I've never seen any Catholic pre-Vatican 2 source admit aliens exist, or say they are demons, or talk about any connection between demons and the modern concept of aliens.

Intelligent aliens may be living among the stars and are likely to have souls, a senior Vatican scientist said yesterday.
The Pope's astronomer, Guy Consolmagno, said he would be happy to 'baptise an alien' - but admitted that the chances of communicating with life outside the Earth were low.
Speaking at the British Science Festival in Birmingham, Dr Consolmagno also dismissed Creationism and claimed that the revival of 'intelligent design' - the controversial theory that only God can explain gaps in the theory of evolution - was 'bad theology'.
Dr Consolmagno, one of a team of 12 astronomers working for the Vatican, said the Catholic Church had been supporting and funding science for centuries.
A self-confessed science fiction fan, he said he was 'comfortable' with the idea of alien life.
Asked if he would baptise an alien, he replied: 'Only if they asked.'
He added: 'I'd be delighted if we found life elsewhere and delighted if we found intelligent life elsewhere.
'But the odds of us finding it, of it being intelligent and us being able to communicate with it - when you add them up it's probably not a practical question.

Christian Cosmos

New frontiers for Christianity: NGC 300, a spiral galaxy similar to the Milky Way, and located in the nearby Sculptor Group of galaxies. Taken at the La Silla Observatory in Chile
Aliens

Anyone out there? The discovery of aliens would raise huge theological problems for the Catholic Church
'God is bigger than just humanity. God is also the god of angels.'

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In the middle ages, the definition of a soul was to have intelligence, free will, freedom to love and freedom to make decisions, he said.
Those characteristics may not be unique to humans.
'Any entity - no matter how many tentacles it has - has a soul,' he added.
In practice, machines were unlikely to be smart or human enough to have souls.
Dr Consolmagno, 57, the curator of the Pope's meteorite collection, is a trained astronomer and planetary scientist at the Vatican's observatory.
On 'intelligent design', which claims that Darwin's theory of evolution cannot explain the complexity of life, he said: 'The word has been hijacked by a narrow group of Creationist fundamentalists in America to mean something it didn't originally mean at all.
'It's another form of the God of the gaps.
'It's bad theology in that it turns God once again into the pagan god of thunder and lightning.'
The phrase 'intelligent design' was centuries old and described the idea that God could be discovered in the laws of space and time and the existence of human reason.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1312922/Pope-astronomer-Guy-Consolmagno-Aliens-souls-living-stars.html

Cera · « **Reply #16 on:** May 29, 2025, 12:58:17 PM »

Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'Who are we to close doors?'
Pontiff made the out-of-this-world pledge during homily on acceptance
Adam WithnallWednesday 14 May 2014 07:25 BST

Pope Francis has said that he would be willing to baptise aliens if they came to the Vatican, asking “who are we to close doors” to anyone - even Martians.
In a homily yesterday dedicated to the concepts of acceptance and inclusion, Francis recalled a Bible story about the conversion of the first pagans to Christianity, according to reports on Vatican Radio.

He said Catholicism was a church of “open doors”, and that it was up to Christians to accept the Holy Spirit however “unthinkable” and “unimaginable” it appeared.
Describing how, according to the Bible, Peter was criticised by the Christians of Jerusalem for making contact with a community of “unclean” pagans, Francis said that at the time that too was “unthinkable”.
“If, for example, tomorrow an expedition of Martians came to us here and one said ‘I want to be baptised!’, what would happen?”
Clarifying that he really was talking about aliens, the Pope said: “Martians, right? Green, with long noses and big ears, like in children’s drawings.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-says-he-would-baptise-aliens-9360632.html

Seraphina · « **Reply #17 on:** May 29, 2025, 08:54:49 PM »

If there were such beings as space aliens, which there are not (!), the very last thing I’d do is baptize them! It’d be serious blasphemy! Only man is created in the Image and likeness of God.
God made all sentient creatures, and I’ve heard a few priests and a bishop include plants, have souls of some sort. They are not in God’s Image, and do not have immortal souls. When the creature dies, its soul dies with it.

You don’t baptize your pet or farm animals, do you? And if you did, does it become Catholic?

A person or priest may bless animals such as on the Feast of St. Francis, October 4th. Some Catholic parishes have an official Blessing of the Animals to which people may bring their pets. It has nothing to do with baptism. Inanimate objects, both natural and manmade may be blessed. My car has been blessed, but that doesn’t confer actual Grace and insure it will last forever! (Too bad. It’d save lots of money!) 🚘

cassini · « **Reply #18 on:** May 30, 2025, 06:25:59 AM »

Quote from: Cera on May 29, 2025, 12:58:17 PM

Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'Who are we to close doors?'
Pontiff made the out-of-this-world pledge during homily on acceptance
Adam WithnallWednesday 14 May 2014 07:25 BST

Pope Francis has said that he would be willing to baptise aliens if they came to the Vatican, asking “who are we to close doors” to anyone - even Martians.
In a homily yesterday dedicated to the concepts of acceptance and inclusion, Francis recalled a Bible story about the conversion of the first pagans to Christianity, according to reports on Vatican Radio.

In 2014, the Christian Post reported that the Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno, president of the Vatican Observatory, proposed the eventual discovery of aliens after Pope Francis, speculating about alien life forms during Mass at the Vatican, used the analogy that even Martians, should they ever visit Earth, would be welcome to be baptised. Baptism of course is a sacrament that erases Original Sin inherited only by the descendants of Adam and Eve. Why then would a pope offer to baptise a Martian, let alone believe aliens could exist? To subject this sacrament to heretical science-fiction shows us the rotten fruit of the Galilean reformation continues unabated.

cassini · « **Reply #19 on:** May 30, 2025, 07:47:03 AM »

Fr Ripperger states that Original Sin is no longer believed by the evolutionists. He did not exaggerate:

He then tells us exactly why this is so:

‘Yet these words [of Moses’s Genesis Creation account] give rise to a certain conflict. They are beautiful and familiar, but are they true? Everything seems to speak against it, for science has long since disposed of the concepts that we have just now heard – the idea of a world that is completely comprehensible in terms of space and time, and the idea that the creation was built up piece by piece over the course of seven days. Instead of this we now face measurements that transcend all comprehension. Today we hear of the Big Bang, which happened billions of years ago and with which the universe began its expansion, an expansion that continues to occur without interruption. And it was not in neat succession that the stars were hung and the green fields created; it was rather in complex ways and over vast periods of time that the earth and the universe were constructed as we now know them. Do these words [of Genesis] then, count for anything? In fact, a theologian said not so long ago that creation has now become an unreal concept. If one is to be intellectually honest one ought to speak no longer of creation but rather of mutation and selection. Are these words true?... Is there an answer to this that we can claim for ourselves in this day and age?... Thus far it has become clear that the Biblical creation narratives represent another way of speaking about reality than that with which we are familiar from physics and biology.’--- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: In the Beginning. p,3, 1995.

If one goes along with an evolved ‘creation,’ as Ratzinger and most modern churchmen do, then other teachings in Genesis had to be modernised:

‘The account [in Genesis] tells us that sin begets sin, and that therefore all the sins of history are interlinked. Theology refers to this state of affairs by the certainly misleading and imprecise term ‘original sin.’ What does this mean? Nothing seems to us today to be stranger or, indeed, more absurd than to insist upon original sin, since, according to our way of thinking, guilt can only be something very personal and since God does not run a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ, in which one’s relatives are imprisoned, because he is a liberating God of love, who calls each one by name. What does original sin mean, then, when we interpret it correctly?.... Sin is a loss of relationship,…therefore it is not restricted to the individual. At the very moment that a person begins human existence, he or she is confronted by a sin damaged world.’ Consequently, each person is, from the very start, damaged in relationships.’--- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: In the Beginning p,72.

2Vermont · « **Reply #20 on:** May 30, 2025, 08:14:27 AM »

Quote from: Seraphina on May 29, 2025, 08:54:49 PM

My car has been blessed, but that doesn’t confer actual Grace and insure it will last forever! (Too bad. It’d save lots of money!) 🚘

Yeti · « **Reply #21 on:** May 30, 2025, 09:05:00 AM »

Quote from: Seraphina on May 29, 2025, 08:54:49 PM

My car has been blessed, but that doesn’t confer actual Grace and insure it will last forever! (Too bad. It’d save lots of money!) 🚘

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Well, a blessing wouldn't confer grace on the car itself, but it would ask for blessings on the people who use the car.

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