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Offline Neil Obstat

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    Fr. Pfeiffer recently went to Poland and he spoke to an old exorcist priest there who explained something very important to him.  

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=32012&min=90#p1
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-David-Hewko-Sermon-Fourth-Sunday-after-Easter-May-18-2014



    This recent sermon from Fr. David Hewko, SSPX, has a great segment mentioning Fr. Pfeiffer's trip to Poland, where he spoke to an exorcist priest there, regarding the destruction of the Faith in Poland that JPII has caused:


    Quote from: Neil Obstat [url=http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=32012&min=90#p1
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    And just what "faith" is it, that he inspired them to "keep?"  Indifferentism? (Assisi I AND II)  Universal salvation?  (Under his watch the American bishops demanded priests to say "and for all" instead of "and for many" in the consecration of the wine at Mass, and he never did diddly SQUAT about it.)  Communion-in-the-hand?  

    That's a whole topic unto itself -- but the world's eyes were upon him for many years while he personally gave Communion ONLY on the tongue, even while other 'ministers' even in his presence gave it out in-the-hand.  All the while he   A)  never spoke about the abuse,  B)  never issued any directive to prevent it,  C)  never reprimanded anyone on planet earth for practicing it,  D)  never denounced any bishop anywhere who punished priests for refusing to give communion-in-the-hand.

    (Fr. Frederick Schell R.I.P.,  in California was one of these, who lost his salary, pension, health insurance, apartment, access to the church and permission to say Mass, all because he would not give communion-in-the-hand.  And he was not the only one to lose all these things for that reason.  That was under Paul VI, but JPII came along and never set it straight.  He went around apologizing for all manner of things, but never once apologized to Fr. Schell or the hundreds of other insulted priests who were only trying to preserve Sacred Tradition.  JPII only apologized to the Church's enemies, apparently, never to her friends for the injuries the conciliar church has committed against them.)

    Additionally:  

    JPII managed to give the impression that he was 'traditional' to those who wanted to believe it, while he did nothing to defend tradition when bishops all over the world openly acted to destroy it.  

    You would have to have lived through this to know it happened because hardly anyone spoke about it.  (Similarly, Fr. Pfeiffer learned from an old priest-exorcist in Poland something that he would never find in any dusty library of historical docuмents -- the observations of a living witness who was there to see history happen.)

    While it was happening it was too unbelievable, that it was not possible to put it into words, but now we can look back at it with objectivity, if we dare.  Curiously, too many can't seem to manage this objectivity when they continue to defend the memory of JPII as if his pontificate was an example of holiness.  He may have been the Holy Father but his papacy wasn't a very good example of holiness.  And its effect on Poland has been disastrous.


    Poland -- Most providentially, just as I was typing this, I was playing a recording of a recent Fr. Hewko sermon, when he explains the effect of JPII on Poland:

    "...Jesus Christ founded His Church on Tradition, so that when any time comes, like at Vat.II when the pope and bishops go with a new doctrine, THEY are the ones schismatic.  They are the ones turning their back on Tradition and the Faith.  They are the ones that have fabricated a new religion.  And that defines our crisis now.  

    "We're not schismatic disobedient dissidents!  We haven't changed the Faith!  We want to be FAITHFUL to the religion of all time!  We want to be FAITHFUL to the Mass of all time!  And it is not we who have changed it, but it's modernist Rome and the conciliar church, and that's why we REJECT the conciliar church.  And we make WAR with the conciliar church, because it's taking, literally taking millions of souls to hell!  

    "Fr. Pfeiffer was recently in Poland, and an old priest, who is an exorcist told him:  MUSLIMS have tried to destroy Catholic Poland and they never succeeded.  They became stronger in the Faith, and fought -- the great Hussars [17th cent.] went to BATTLE against the Muslims, and WON, through Our Lady.  He said Communists have tried to destroy Catholic Poland [20th c.], and they never succeeded.  There were many martyrs.  The same could be said about Ukraine.  And also, the nαzιs tried to crush Poland [20th c.].  And he said, Poland always kept the Faith.  

    "But what made Poland fall?  What destroyed the Faith in Poland?  Pope John Paul II!  The pope of the conciliar church -- the pope who promoted false religious liberty, the false Newmass, the false doctrines and the new doctrines of the fabricated conciliar church.  And this conciliar church is persecuting Tradition.
    And that's why we're having Mass here, and it's also why the Society of St. Pius X has already gone over, by accepting the Doctrinal Declaration (AFD) and not fighting against that which undermines the complete Catholic Faith, they have gone over to the enemy.  And they're doing it in a muddled fashion, a seductive fashion, a deceitful fashion, as we all know, and these are all the works of the darkness.  That's how the devil works, in the darkness..."
    (25:33)

    Hear the rest (dur. 38:25) :
    http://www.mediafire.com/listen/m5udvviv2573hp6/Fr+D+Hewko%2C+5-18-14+Milton+ON.mp3


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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 11:42:12 PM »
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    Let me get this straight.  

    Poland survived CENTURIES of viscious attacks on her faith, on the Faith of Catholics, and none of it was effective, none of it managed to kill the Catholic Faith in Poland --- until John Paul II came along,,,,,,,,,,,,




    JPII the Great Destroyer of Poland's Catholic Faith.  





    And for this he has been Newcanonized?!


    And for this he has been Newcanonized?!




    And for this he has been Newcanonized?!


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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #2 on: June 05, 2014, 11:56:56 PM »
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    The sculpture of the late Pope John Paul II during the unveiling ceremony in
    Czestochowa, Poland, on Saturday, April 13, 2013. (AP / Czarek Sokolowski)

    Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/massive-statue-of-john-paul-ii-unveiled-in-poland-1.1236520#ixzz33pcx2OzJ


    Now every Pole who actually knows his Faith, within sight of this monster can wake up in the morning and see the stark reminder of how this ghost of the Great Destroyer of the Faith in Poland haunts them to this day.  

    How long, O Lord?  






    Now it takes a crew to get his nose blown:


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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #3 on: June 06, 2014, 06:08:47 AM »
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  • Good post, Neil!

    That statue is disgusting. He seems to be saying "Keep the applause going! Let's hear it for JP2!"
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #4 on: June 06, 2014, 06:36:51 AM »
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    Good post, Neil!

    That statue is disgusting. He seems to be saying "Keep the applause going! Let's hear it for JP2!"


    I was in Rome sometime during the summer of 1981 (I think I have the approximate time right) and I was able to attend a general audience in the Paul VI Hall (the one with the ugly sculpture on the stage).

    The hall was packed though had a couple of sections near the back closed off.  Down the main aisle of the hall there were three or four short two-step stools placed.  At the appointed time, John Paul 2 entered to thunderous applause.  He strode a few steps and up the first stool where he raise is arms just as in the statue.    In fact, the statue is a very good likeness of what I saw that day early in his life as a papal claimant.

    It took about 30 minutes to travel the distance to the stage while he ascended each step stool and received the applause of the people.  Every time he ascended a stool, the crowd reacted as if they were at a sporting event and the home team had just made a spectacular scoring play!

    I have been told that popes have received such applause for centuries in Rome but they had not usually sustained the applause for a half hour, stopping every few feet to re-energize the crowd.  Though I was excited to see the pope (at the time, I thought he was the pope) I also thought that the rock-star treatment and the conspicuous begging on the part of the pope for continuous applause and cheers was a little scandalous.  Even movie stars seemed to know when enough was enough--but this man clearly didn't think that it was possible to receive too much, or even enough, enthusiastic, and sometimes deafening, cheers.

    I had exactly the same thought as you, Nadir, when I saw the picture of the statue.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 03:15:43 PM »
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    I have a corpus from a crucifix that came loose and I've lost the cross part but I still have Our Lord's body here, with the same approximate gesture, that is, arms outstretched like this JPII statue.  

    However, there is a difference beyond the obvious (clothing, facial expression, hair length, nails in the hands and feet, wound in the side), and that is the following:

    1)  Our Lord's head is bowed in humility and suffering, whereas JPII's head is upright and gloating as if eager to accept applause, almost expecting it.

    2)  Our Lord's arms are set back flat (against the cross) in self-sacrifice, as far as could be held freely, whereas JPII's arms are angled forward about 15 degrees, as if eager to embrace the world.

    3)  Our Lord's hands have palms facing forward horizontally, and only the two fingers, index and middle (#2 and #3 for piano players) are extended while the thumb, ring finger and pinky (#1, #4 and #5 for keyboards) are bent inwards (found to be the consequence of nails piercing the median nerve of the wrist) as bishops since apostolic times have used for their gesture in blessings, whereas JPII's five fingers are all extended, and his palms angle upwards as if they are catching an enormous beach ball or some entity being tossed to him, almost like a sporting pose.

    If this JPII statue were to have these 3 things changed, it would be an entirely different statue. Not just a little different, but entirely different -- not even close.


    A prankster could erect a cross behind the JPII statue and the difference would become most obvious, because this statue looks nothing like a crucifix corpus, even though it has the same general posture as one, with arms outstretched at the proper angle to a height just even with the forehead.

    Recall the JPII cross with the sagging crossbeam, depicting Our Lord's head hanging forward in defeat, with very steeply raised arms high above His head, and bent knees, a most indecent pose.

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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 03:27:31 PM »
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    I never could get a grip on the meaning of this statue until I read TKGS' post, above.  Now I see it as a triumphant pose, but JPII was an anti-triumphalist pope.  He would have done the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the IHM, together with the bishops of the world if he had wanted to celebrate real triumph.  

    So what was his triumph?  

    IMHO, he's standing there all proud of himself for having kept the Revolution against the Faith of Catholics 'alive and well' for 26 years.  He is standing there in Poland, all proud of himself for destroying the Catholic Faith of Poland, all around him.  That is his "triumph."  

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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 02:40:19 AM »
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    I have several friends who are from Poland, and I couldn't wait to test this story out on them.  

    I said, a priest went to visit an old exorcist priest in Poland recently, and he said to him that there have been three waves of attack from the devil trying to destroy the faith of Catholics in Poland.  

    In the 17th century, thanks to the Hussars, Poland with the help of Our Lady drove the invading Moselms out of their country, and the Faith survived.  Then, 100 years ago, Communists tried to attack the Church in Poland and they failed.  Then, 70 years ago, the nαzιs tried to destroy the Church in Poland but they could not.  There were many martyrs, but the Faith of Poland survived.  It finally took John Paul II to destroy the Catholic Faith in Poland.  

    I tried this with each of my Polish friends, and they all agreed.  They said, it is true.  "That priest has it exactly right."

    I said, "And you're not going to find that on the evening news."  They all agreed.

    Then I have another friend, who is an MSM junkie.  He said, "They've never put that on the evening news."  He thought that therefore it must not be true.


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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #8 on: June 12, 2014, 11:49:08 AM »
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  • The embrace of Universal Salvation, although never outright described that way in so many words, and the slightly couched indifferentism of the novus ordo as expressed in the Vatican II docuмents and the post-Vatican II activities of the post-conciliar popes in conjunction with the post-conciliar bishops and priests led to the destruction of the Catholic Faith in Poland.

    Take, for instance, the novus ordo presider who publicly states that Islam, Judaim and Catholicism all share the same God.  So, does he mean that all three religions are equally salvific?  Is this his public denial of "EENS"?  

    Regarding this novus ordo presider, what would be his motivation to give marriage, companionship and family for some religious belief, that is in his estimation, one among many and all equally good?  Is the novus ordo presider just a sɛҳuąƖ deviant or social misfit of some sort?

    Why sacrifice even five minutes of your time if the novus ordo leadership is giving you the message that all religions basically "point" to Heaven?  

    The novus ordo, and its establishment by the men who were INSIDE the Church, was a planned revolutionary act.  Those still alive must just be giggling themselves to sleep every night with how amazingly successful they were.

    As for me, I think I will follow Our Lord and let St Peter wander around by himself in the dark of the night until St. Peter returns and confesses his sins directly to Our Lord.

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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #9 on: June 13, 2014, 12:36:42 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    The sculpture of the late Pope John Paul II during the unveiling ceremony in
    Czestochowa, Poland, on Saturday, April 13, 2013. (AP / Czarek Sokolowski)

    Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/massive-statue-of-john-paul-ii-unveiled-in-poland-1.1236520#ixzz33pcx2OzJ


    Now every Pole who actually knows his Faith, within sight of this monster can wake up in the morning and see the stark reminder of how this ghost of the Great Destroyer of the Faith in Poland haunts them to this day.  

    How long, O Lord?  






    Now it takes a crew to get his nose blown:


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    trying to compete????? unbelievable!
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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #10 on: June 13, 2014, 07:04:55 AM »
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    This photograph had to be taken from a helicopter!  

    The amazing achievement of building this monument on the peak of a rock mountain in Rio de Janeiro boggles the mind.  How did they get all this material way up that tall mountain?  Where did they park the crane??



     It is a testament to the great faith of Catholics of Brazil - and how much has this image of Our Lord standing there given rise to faith in new generations?





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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    What finally destroyed the Faith in Poland? Moslems? Communism?
    « Reply #11 on: June 13, 2014, 07:16:36 AM »
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    Another view:



    (This is from a website called "ancient world wonders (dot) com")


    Our Lord looks down on the pilgrims coming to visit:




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