Author Topic: What becomes of these closed N.O. churches? (Read 1591 times)

Capt McQuigg · « **on:** April 27, 2012, 03:36:56 PM »

You see it in the news all the time. Post-Vatican II churches are always in either a state of being closed or consolidating. Well, that leaves a lot of empty novus ordo churches that just need improving upon or simply remodeling the sanctuary.

So, my question to ponder....

What would be the procedure for a traditionalist group procuring a now defunct n.o. church? I worry that it would require permission from the bishop, who often would rather see it rot than go "trad".

There are a couple churches in the wretched Diocese of Belleville that I wouldn't mind seeing them go "trad" - in fact, it would be an answer to a prayer.

A back up option is for a trad group to procure a now closed protestant church.

Isn't it funny that both the protestant church and the novus ordo church would both require the same internal improvements, i.e., installing a correct altar and the acquisition of some beautiful statues of the saints and angels?

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2012, 04:19:59 PM »

Many Novus Ordo churches are ugly and they closely resemble protestant churches. They look like office buildings or plazas. Nothing about the architecture exclaims, "THIS IS THE HOUSE OF THE LORD!"... rather, they are bland, modern - post-modern - contemporary - structures designed for the people, NOT God. These empty structures should be avoided, unless there is no other option but to acquire the building. If possible, traditional Catholics should build their own Chapel or acquire one that has a traditional architecture to it, usually one that was built before VII. I also think Orthodox Church architecture is beautiful.

Cheryl · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2012, 03:27:36 AM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

You see it in the news all the time. Post-Vatican II churches are always in either a state of being closed or consolidating. Well, that leaves a lot of empty novus ordo churches that just need improving upon or simply remodeling the sanctuary.

So, my question to ponder....

What would be the procedure for a traditionalist group procuring a now defunct n.o. church? I worry that it would require permission from the bishop, who often would rather see it rot than go "trad".

There are a couple churches in the wretched Diocese of Belleville that I wouldn't mind seeing them go "trad" - in fact, it would be an answer to a prayer.

A back up option is for a trad group to procure a now closed protestant church.

Isn't it funny that both the protestant church and the novus ordo church would both require the same internal improvements, i.e., installing a correct altar and the acquisition of some beautiful statues of the saints and angels?

It seems more often than not, that the modern church would rather sell off their buildings to anyone BUT traditional Catholics. The old and beautiful church my mother attended as a girl and young woman is now a mosque!

Nylndech · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2012, 12:17:02 PM »

Would be nice to see SSPX or FSSP or ICKSP acquire childhood parish.

Bishop assigned a parish buster priest there.

Elderly complain because of his accent.

Many people left.

Collections down.

Bishop suddenly mum on deanery plans to yoke parishes.

Hmm.

Sigismund · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2012, 07:24:33 PM »

The SSPV and SSPX both have former NO churches in Cincinnati.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2012, 07:28:47 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

The SSPV and SSPX both have former NO churches in Cincinnati.

The SSPX abandoned theirs Sigismund, I don't know if they still own it, but they moved out of the former St. Patrick's.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2012, 08:14:07 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

The SSPV and SSPX both have former NO churches in Cincinnati.

Let us all pray that this is repeated in Belleville, IL.

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:42:16 AM »

I spoke to a Society priest whose church was an old and beautiful Roman Catholic sold off by the archdiocese. He said that the archdiocese refused to sell to the Society. Then, a lay-Catholic approached the archdiocese and offered to buy the building with the intention of making some repairs and rennovations and selling it. He did not say to whom he intended to sell. The archdiocese sold the building to him and he sold it to the SSPX at cost.

I think this is generally the procedure one would have to follow in order to get buildings from the Conciliar church. The problem is that the ones that traditional Catholics would want have often been so neglected that it is less expensive to build from the ground up rather than fix the destruction the Novus Ordo was wrought and restore the structural integrity the Conciliar church allowed to decline.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2012, 11:48:23 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

I spoke to a Society priest whose church was an old and beautiful Roman Catholic sold off by the archdiocese. He said that the archdiocese refused to sell to the Society. Then, a lay-Catholic approached the archdiocese and offered to buy the building with the intention of making some repairs and rennovations and selling it. He did not say to whom he intended to sell. The archdiocese sold the building to him and he sold it to the SSPX at cost.

I think this is generally the procedure one would have to follow in order to get buildings from the Conciliar church. The problem is that the ones that traditional Catholics would want have often been so neglected that it is less expensive to build from the ground up rather than fix the destruction the Novus Ordo was wrought and restore the structural integrity the Conciliar church allowed to decline.

I strongly suspect this to be the case.

So many N.O. churches are just as ugly as can be but when taken over by a traditionalist group, it would gain spiritual beauty and the new parishioners could go to work bringing physical beauty to the place also.

What N.O. box theatre wouldn't be improved by the traditionalist girls all wearing their head scarves and the latin mass being offered?

TKGS · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2012, 01:05:00 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

So many N.O. churches are just as ugly as can be but when taken over by a traditionalist group, it would gain spiritual beauty and the new parishioners could go to work bringing physical beauty to the place also.

What N.O. box theatre wouldn't be improved by the traditionalist girls all wearing their head scarves and the latin mass being offered?

This is amazingly true. I visisted a CMRI church that was clearly built in the late 1960s - early 1970s timeframe. The outside of the building looks rather non-descript. Inside, however, it was beautiful and, except for the little things in the pews that protestants use to hold their little plastic dixie cups of wine for their "communion", one would never guess that the building was once owned by heretics.

Sigismund · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:26:11 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Sigismund
The SSPV and SSPX both have former NO churches in Cincinnati.

The SSPX abandoned theirs Sigismund, I don't know if they still own it, but they moved out of the former St. Patrick's.

I did not know that. Where are they now?