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West Point chapel hosts first same-sex marriage...
« on: December 03, 2012, 10:45:19 AM »
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  • Ten.....hut!!

    "Do you Penelope take Brenda to be your lawfully wedded wife?"

    " By the power invested in me by the United States of Sodom, I now pronounce you wife and er, uh,......wife.  :facepalm:

    U.S military now  sanctions "gαy" weddings on it's most sacred establishment.

    The end is near. (for America anyway).

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/30/west-point-same-sex-marriage/1738665/

    The ceremony comes a little more than a year after President Obama ended the military policy banning openly gαy people from serving




    West Point chapel hosts first same-sex marriage

    6:51PM EST December 1. 2012 - The U.S. Military Academy's Cadet Chapel at West Point hosted its first same-sex marriage Saturday.

    Penelope Gnesin and Brenda Sue Fulton, a West Point graduate, exchanged vows in the regal church in a ceremony conducted by a senior Army chaplain.

    The ceremony comes a little more than a year after President Obama ended the military policy banning openly gαy people from serving.

    The two have been together for 17 years. They had a civil commitment ceremony that didn't carry any legal force in 1999 but had longed to formally tie the knot.

    The couple live in New Jersey and would have preferred to have the wedding there, but the state doesn't allow gαy marriage.

    "We just couldn't wait any longer," Fulton said.

    Guests at the wedding posted photos on Twitter while it was under way and afterward. Fulton said the Cadet Chapel on the campus at West Point was a fitting venue.

    "It has a tremendous history, and it is beautiful. That's where I first heard and said the cadet prayer," Fulton said.

    Fulton said that when she requested the West Point chapel, she was told that none of the chaplains who preside there come from a denomination that allowed them to celebrate a gαy marriage. Their marriage was officiated by a friend, Army Chaplain Col. J. Wesley Smith of Dover Air Force Base.


    Fulton, a veteran and the communications director of an organization called OutServe — which represents actively serving gαy, lesbian and bisɛҳuąƖ military personnel — confirmed in an e-mail to USA TODAY Friday night: "We will be the first same sex couple to wed at the Cadet Chapel at West Point."

    The wedding was the second gαy marriage West Point has hosted. The first was a small, private ceremony last weekend between two of Fulton's friends in a smaller venue on the campus.

    "We are thrilled for Sue and Penny, and along with them, look forward to a day when this kind of event no longer makes headlines and all Americans enjoy the freedom to marry and the justice of those marriages being recognized," said Zeke Stokes, spokesman for OutServe.

    Brenda Sue Fulton, left, and Penelope Gnesin exchange vows during their wedding Saturday at West Point.(Photo: Jeff Sheng)

    In September 2011, the Pentagon issued guidance stating that "determinations regarding the use of DOD real property and facilities for private functions, including religious and other ceremonies, should be made on a sɛҳuąƖ-orientation neutral basis, provided such use is not prohibited by applicable state and local laws."

    The policy change came with the caveat that the use of a military facility does not constitute an endorsement of gαy marriage by the Defense Department.

    In July 2011, President Obama named Fulton to the West Point Board of Visitors, making her the first openly gαy member of the board that advises the Academy.

    She graduated from West Point in 1980, part of the first class of cadets that included women, and later founded an organization called KnightsOut, which describes itself as "an organization of West Point Alumni, Staff and Faculty who are united in supporting the rights of Lesbian, gαy, BisɛҳuąƖ and Transgender soldiers to openly serve their country."

    Fulton, 53, said she was getting married at the academy because "West Point has been an important part of my life," but also because Republican Gov. Chris Christie in her home state of New Jersey vetoed a gαy marriage bill earlier this year.


    "We had always said that we wanted to get married in New Jersey," Fulton told USA Today, but "we didn't want to wait any longer," particularly because Gnesim, 52, is a breast cancer survivor and suffers from multiple sclerosis.

    "It is wonderful for us to celebrate the recognition that New York state will give our marriage," Fulton said, but "there is also some regret that we can't get married in our home state."

    In September, Obama issued a statement commemorating the one-year anniversary of the repeal of "Don't ask, don't tell," the military policy that banned openly gαy soldiers from serving. He said, "gαy and lesbian Americans now no longer need to hide who they love in order to serve the country they love."

    But the 1996 Defense Of Marriage Act still prohibits the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages and says that states cannot be forced to recognize them.

    New York's legislature approved gαy marriage in June 2011, and in October, a federal appeals court in the state ruled that the Defense of Marriage Act was unconstitutional.

    Contributing: Associated Press



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    « Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 10:53:32 AM »
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    U.S military now  sanctions "gαy" weddings on it's most sacred establishment.


    But... it's not actually a sacred establishment and the US military is not a sacred institution.

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    The end is near. (for America anyway)


    That will actually give Catholics a lot of breathing room for creating real Catholic communities, since it would eliminate the pressure for getting enmeshed in the giant liberal net called the United States government.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 11:01:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: PereJoseph
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    U.S military now  sanctions "gαy" weddings on it's most sacred establishment.


    But... it's not actually a sacred establishment and the US military is not a sacred institution.

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    The end is near. (for America anyway)


    That will actually give Catholics a lot of breathing room for creating real Catholic communities, since it would eliminate the pressure for getting enmeshed in the giant liberal net called the United States government.
    Not to me and you but to them it is.

    These are the same people who worship the Constituion.

    Of course when it says what they want it to.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 03, 2012, 01:27:48 PM »
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  • you will never see the Chinese and the Russian Military do this.

    We are the laughing stock of the world.

    SICK SOCIETY.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 01:31:56 PM »
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  • !!!!!!!





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    « Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 02:53:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    you will never see the Chinese and the Russian Military do this.

    We are the laughing stock of the world.

    SICK SOCIETY.
    they are now working on lifting the bans on women in combat as well, so now Sargeant bulldyke Betty and her "wife" soon be heading up forward frontal assaults on the beachead on the next war for Israel or Big Oil.

    You know the Chinese and the Russians must be loving this.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 05:44:50 PM »
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    !!!!!!!





    What do you mean by all those explanation marks.  I made my point in
    a few words as possible.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 06:09:51 PM »
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  • Hi RomanCatholic1953,

    The exclamation points were instead of using the bad words I was thinking and very tempted to use to describe the "newlyweds", West Point, and my dismay.  It took me a long time to narrow it down to just exclamation points.  

    I really hope you don't think it had anything against what you wrote, because I totally agree, especially about becoming a global laughingstock.  At least 7 of my family members are buried in Arlington National Cemetery; they must be rolling in their graves.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 10:22:16 AM »
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  • The Israelis actually determined through real studies with women as front line combat troops that it was a "very bad" idea. The ladies tended to show even less mercy than the men towards the enemy and wouldn't follow orders to stop shooting until all the enemies were dead. Women in Israel are no longer front line combat troops. It makes sense really. In war time, if the women have to fight, that means that the men are all dead and their ruthless maternal instinct kicks in.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 10:35:12 AM »
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  • I find it ironic that the US military may not use the wisdom of the Israeli studies. As an aside, I have a friend that married a girl that served as a mechanic in an Israeli tank battalion. They divorced soon after as she had many unresolved mental health problems related to her military service in Israel.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 11:58:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: sedetrad
    The Israelis actually determined through real studies with women as front line combat troops that it was a "very bad" idea. The ladies tended to show even less mercy than the men towards the enemy and wouldn't follow orders to stop shooting until all the enemies were dead. Women in Israel are no longer front line combat troops. It makes sense really. In war time, if the women have to fight, that means that the men are all dead and their ruthless maternal instinct kicks in.


    That is really interesting.
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    « Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 11:59:19 AM »
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  • I wonder how young soldiers will be able to justify their worship of the US military when they allow openly queer drill sergeants and staff sergeants that promote young soldiers that they "like". I honestly can’t wait for the first drag queen wedding.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 12:01:16 PM »
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  • Maybe such vulgar and disgusting displays will open people's eyes.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 12:13:48 PM »
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    I find it ironic that the US military may not use the wisdom of the Israeli studies. As an aside, I have a friend that married a girl that served as a mechanic in an Israeli tank battalion. They divorced soon after as she had many unresolved mental health problems related to her military service in Israel.


    What sort of mental health problems ?  Post-traumatic stress, manly aggression, narcissism ?

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    « Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 12:16:04 PM »
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  • PTSD and aggression related anger problems.