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We never landed on the Moon
« on: April 17, 2013, 06:40:00 PM »
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  • (Repost from a few years ago -- that thread got totally derailed)

    Just wanted to let you know.

    I watched some videos of the evidence, and it was convincing -- even compelling.

    All the evidence point to the fact that it was staged somewhere on earth. There are shadows coming from multiple angles (like on a Hollywood set) when they claim the Sun was the only light source.

    And don't say, "There were thousands of people involved. Someone would have spilled the beans." because the whole thing was so compartmentalized, each person only did a specific task.

    And remember, it WAS a high-budget movie, not a low-end one. They spent money on computers, rockets, you name it. They did go into earth orbit (somewhere below where the lethal radiation is)

    I encourage you to look it up on Youtube, if you're interested in knowing the truth about this matter.

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    A friend of mine (a member of CathInfo) responded thus:

    "[Those who deny the moon landing] are usually (but not always) the same folks that contend that the earth is flat and that everything in the universe revolves around it."

    So, let's apply that argument to the Crisis in the Catholic Church:

    Vatican II was bad and/or the work of Freemasons to destroy the Church? I don't believe it. Why? Because some who believe that end up becoming sedevacantist, or even electing their own pope! So I must reject that Vatican II was bad and/or the work of Freemasons.
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    Offline Renzo

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    « Reply #1 on: April 17, 2013, 06:49:59 PM »
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  • Yeah, one does not necessarily follow from the other.  It's like saying, if you believe the moon has what appears to be holes in it, then you must also believe it is made of swiss cheese.  Not necessarily, those "holes" could be caused by something else (like termites)!  
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    « Reply #2 on: April 17, 2013, 07:01:57 PM »
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  • Moon landing was just a hoax in response to the Soviets launching Sputnik into space. It was a form of psych warfare. We felt threatened by the Soviets' advanced space capabilities, so we had to fake our superiority, since we really could not do any better than them. The space race did not get as much focus from public perception as he arms race, but it was still one of the key elements in the Cold War.
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    « Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 10:44:50 PM »
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  • and look how far the us govt has come in the development of psych warfare since the moon landing hoax.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2013, 12:02:08 AM »
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  • I've heard of these claims before but I never paid any attention to them.

    It just seemed so "out there," because I've had friends and family in the
    aerospace industry and all of them are absolutely sold on the veracity of
    the lunar landings.  In fact, they have passed around a lot of jokes about
    the "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" who live in the desert under a rock
    and so on.  "These guys think the world is flat."  

    You know what I mean?  

    So now, for the first time, taking Matthew's suggestion, I've looked at
    some videos on YouTube.  I know a few things about photography, so
    when they talk about aperature and f-stops and focal length and ASA/ISO
    and emulsion and backlighting and depth of field and perspective and
    shadowing and accessory lighting and studio lighting and Hassleblad and
    so on and so forth, it's not new words for me.  I don't have to look them
    up to know what they're talking about.  I get it the first time.  

    This one is an eye-opener:



    duration 2:13:14 . . . . views 1,057,859 . . . . uploaded 11-5-2010

    Title: Dark Mission Part 1 - NASA Moon Hoax - Analysis of the Lunar Photography

    Judging from the content, it seems the interviews were made in about
    the year 2,000 - because one guy says the reason he doesn't think the
    questions on shadow angles, and US flag positions or shapes, or the size
    of the sun's reflection in the astronauts' visors are worth questioning, is
    because this all happened 30 years ago, so why were there no questions
    until now?  If it were important or noticeable, it should have been
    questioned a long time ago.  

    But as I recall, it was.  When I was in high school, during the Apollo
    missions, there were lots of accusations floating around about it being a
    studio job, but generally all the "theories" got no respect.  I recall hearing
    people say they have a friend whose uncle lives out by Edward's Air Force
    Base in the Mojave Desert (where the Shuttle landed a bunch of times) and
    he thinks the moon landings were studio jobs.  

    I never gave it much serious thought.

    But I'm saying that there were people asking questions, but I do not know
    what all happened to them.  That might be a good research project.  What
    about that guy's uncle?  What was his name?  Etc..........


    From what I can see in the video above, almost all of their points are
    well taken, especially the lighting on the dark side of space suits, and on
    the shadow side of the lunar lander.  There is no way to explain the
    illuminated detail on the shadow side when even rocks nearby are entirely
    black on the lee side of the light in some photos.  

    Then they have a rock with the letter "C" on it, and a "C" on the ground
    right next to it, just like they do on movie sets.  More "trees in the forest?"

    They give scoffers of the questions a fair amount of face time, but their
    responses to questions are pretty lame.  They sound a lot like the
    Menzingen-denizens, actually.  Their main canard is that everyone knows
    that NASA went to the moon in 1969, so therefore there's no point in
    questioning it.  

    I'm at the point where it seems the most prudent approach would be to
    develop a whole litany of ridiculous answers to good questions, and say,
    "Well, when somebody asks why the American Flag flaps around on a
    stick when it's planted next to the LUN where there's no atmosphere to
    make it flap around, just tell them maybe it looks that way but everyone
    knows that NASA landed on the moon so it's not important."  

    Or, "I get kind of tired hearing about shadow length from the astronauts
    changing too much like there was a spotlight up close, and all that
    happened 30 years before the interviews were filmed so it must not be
    true."

    "Things like that," as Fr. Schell used to say.








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    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2013, 06:43:14 AM »
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  • There is an episode of Mythbusters in which many of the most widely used arguments, such as the problem of the lighting and shadows in photos, against the moon landing are demonstrated to not have any validity.  

    Frankly, I believe that the astronauts did land on the moon and returned safely.

    Of course, those who deny this simply retort that the Mythbusters show is just in on the conspiracy.  

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    « Reply #6 on: April 20, 2013, 10:51:15 AM »
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  • For those who haven't read his Apollo series, check out Dave McGowan's in-depth commentary here:-

    http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/


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    « Reply #7 on: April 20, 2013, 07:04:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: cateran
    For those who haven't read his Apollo series, check out Dave McGowan's in-depth commentary here:-

    http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/



    excerpt from davesweb:


    ...Anyway, I think when we left off we were discussing the highly improbable flight of Apollo 8, the very first manned launch of a Saturn V, which took flight, as I previously mentioned, on the winter solstice of 1968. The mighty Apollo spacecraft, which had failed on its last unmanned outing, purportedly flew all the way to the Moon, did ten quick laps around Earth’s nearest neighbor, and then flew back home, with every one of its 9,000,000 parts performing flawlessly.

     

    Thanks for that was due in part, according to the official Apollo legend, to a band of surfers in Seal Beach. North American Aviation, you see, had a bit of a problem with keeping the liquefied hydrogen and oxygen in the Saturn V’s second-stage from boiling in the Florida sun. The proposed solution was to insulate the fuel tanks with honeycomb insulation, but NASA’s engineers had trouble keeping the insulation from popping back off. The solution to that problem was to hire local surfers, who, according to Moon Machines, brought with them a “special skill set.”

     

    NASA claimed, by the way, to shoot for 99.9% accuracy in the manufacture of its Apollo spacecraft, which shouldn’t have been a problem for a workforce composed of nαzι rocket scientists, bra seamstresses and surfers. Even if that lofty goal had been attained, however, that would still have left 9,000 defective parts per launch vehicle (6,000 if the figure of 6,000,000 parts is correct).

    ...

    Just two months after the return of Apollo 9, NASA sent Apollo 10 off to the Moon, with Tom Stafford, John Young and Gene Cernan on board. The space agency obviously wanted to get the fake preliminary flights out of the way as quickly as possible so as to get on to the main event. The launch pace would slow considerably once the fake landings began with the next flight, Apollo 11, which blasted off just seven weeks after the return of Apollo 10.

     

    Apollo 10, the third manned launch of a Saturn V, once again allegedly went to the Moon, this time with a lunar module mounted to the nose of the command module. The Apollo 10 mission allegedly included everything that later missions would experience short of actually landing on the lunar surface. Once allegedly in lunar orbit, the lunar module was deployed and flown down fairly close to the surface, before returning to and successfully docking with the command and service modules.

     

    Having endured the perilous initial launch, and then the quarter-million-mile flight to the Moon, followed by the successful deployment and flight of the LEM, and having gotten to within p*~~*ng distance of being the first men to create those historic first footprints on the Moon, it would naturally have been tempting to ignore mission control and set down for a quick stroll into history. To prevent this, according to the official mythology, NASA diabolically short-fueled the LEM for the Apollo 10 mission.

     

    There was, of course, no possibility that some unforeseen circuмstances might have necessitated the use of that additional fuel, or necessitated a landing on the Moon, which would have been a bit of a PR nightmare for the agency. Walter Cronkite would have had to break the news to the American people:

    “The crew of Apollo 10 unexpectedly became the first men to set foot on the Moon just moments ago, and we have been promised live footage momentarily. Unfortunately, their spacecraft was deliberately short-fueled so they will not be able to make the return flight to dock with the mothership and both astronauts will soon die. This should make for some riveting TV though, so stay tuned.”


    ...

    NASA supposedly gave up entirely on the idea of placing a vehicle on the Moon, but General Motors’ Defense Research Laboratories purportedly soldiered on, putting the company’s own money into research and development of the vehicle. As the story goes, NASA told the team at GM that if they could somehow come up with a way of fitting an operational vehicle into an impossibly small lunar module equipment bay, the agency might consider incorporating the vehicle into future Apollo missions.

    ...

    As can be clearly seen, particularly , the rover, as initially deployed, was far from complete. It seems to be missing such things as a floor pan, and seats, and cameras, and antennae, and battery packs, and various other components – which raises a few questions, such as where were all the other rover parts stowed? How many empty equipment bays were available to accommodate all the various rover components? And how long exactly did it take the astronauts, given the limitations imposed by their suits and gloves, to deploy and fully assemble a Moon buggy?






    Any of these and other questions, that are too difficult to answer, can be
    summarily dismissed by the umbrella-excuses such as:  

    "Everyone knows that NASA sent men to the moon and returned them safely."  

    Or, "Have you ever made a visit to the Kennedy Space Center in Orlando,
    Florida - is that not real too?"

    Or, "Have you ever heard of the Smithsonian Institution National Air and Space
    Museum?"


    N.B.  I know several staunch defenders of the Moon Walks who are just as
    adamant - in the opposite direction, of course - when it comes to the topic of
    the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima in 1917.   It's interesting to see how selectively
    blind some people can become when the matter at hand touches on their most
    precious, subjective reality, which can become for them a kind of false god.





    Trivia question:  According to the Smithsonian's website, how many parts did
    the Apollo 11 spacecraft have?  ("The Apollo 11 mission ... July 16-24, 1969 ...
    "culminated in the first human steps on another world.")

    A)   9 million
    B)   6 million
    C)   3
    D)   None of the above.

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    The Smithsonian says, "Apollo 11 spacecraft had three parts: the
    Command Module, the Service Module, and the Lunar Module 'Eagle'."
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    « Reply #8 on: April 22, 2013, 12:00:32 AM »
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  • Heh, "surfers" in Seal Beach, CA. I live about 2 mi from that beach. It's not a surf spot, or a surf culture.

    There's a grunion run, but no one really surfs there. There's no waves there, just the LA River emptying into the ocean.

    I can't imagine the USSR would have let us get away with faking it.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 22, 2013, 05:28:43 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Of course, those who deny this simply retort that the Mythbusters show is just in on the conspiracy.  


    The shadow in multiple direction due to ground slope can very easily tested on a bed and putting an object under a sheet. To me, it' a crime against reason to perpetuate falsehoods especially, when it's so easy to test it out on your own.  

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    « Reply #10 on: April 22, 2013, 08:47:47 AM »
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  • Some questions:

    If we assume there WAS or WERE lunar landings, there would be evidence left on the the lunar surface yes? Flag? Bottom half of the LEM?

    Are not we (or they, the astronomical powers that be) not in possession of rather powerful telescopes, land based and not even taking into account the Hubble floating around up there in the celestial ether, that we could zoom in on the lunar surface to such a degree to see if there indeed is anything manmade left there to provide evidence for a lunar landing?

    Does anyone know whether an attempt like this has been made before?

    I make another assumption that where the astronauts proportedly landed is visible to observation when the moon is full.

    Hmmmmm...........
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    « Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 09:36:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: Kazimierz
    Some questions:

    If we assume there WAS or WERE lunar landings, there would be evidence left on the the lunar surface yes? Flag? Bottom half of the LEM?

    Are not we (or they, the astronomical powers that be) not in possession of rather powerful telescopes, land based and not even taking into account the Hubble floating around up there in the celestial ether, that we could zoom in on the lunar surface to such a degree to see if there indeed is anything manmade left there to provide evidence for a lunar landing?

    Does anyone know whether an attempt like this has been made before?

    I make another assumption that where the astronauts proportedly landed is visible to observation when the moon is full.

    Hmmmmm...........


    With the capabilities of Photoshop these days, visual evidence is losing it's appeal.
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    « Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 11:01:25 AM »
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  • I know there are within new versions of Photoshop, ways of detecting fraudulent tamperings. Alas though, I am sure someone will find a way to get around that.

    So I guess it is up to someone here to get access to a powerful telescope and have a look in on the man in the moon and see if someone left footy prints on his doorstep. :wink:
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    « Reply #13 on: April 22, 2013, 11:58:23 AM »
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  • I remember reading a website where they claimed that we never went to the moon. I don't have an opinion either way.

    I think the world would be more interesting if we never went to the moon.
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    « Reply #14 on: April 22, 2013, 01:05:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    ... I don't have an opinion either way.

    I think the world would be more interesting if we never went to the moon.


    You last sentence seems to be in opposition to the previous and that your opinion is that 'we' did go to the moon. I comma-ise we because I'm not American and feel no emotional attachment to America and Americanism. "One great step for mankind" was, I think, the jingoisic cry of JFK. I don't feel part of that mankind. When I heard the holes in the story I felt relieved. The "man walked on the moon" story doesn't make much sense to me, never did.
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