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Hilaire Belloc - Any Non-Fans?
« on: December 20, 2023, 06:00:43 PM »
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  • I recently posted this as a reply to a thread created by Yeti, where I downplay Hilaire Belloc as a Judaizer:



    I haven't been able to find the text of The Catholic and War online. And I'm not going to pay for it. I have no reason to doubt that the synopsis I quoted is on point. Why wouldn't it be? I've long viewed Belloc as a Judaized lightweight. Chesterton, as well.

    Here's a paragraph about Belloc from Joseph Pearce's The Essential Belloc:

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    What of the charge — or canard — of anti-Semitism, the last desperate act of politically correct mobs? Surely Belloc made slurs, but he emphatically was not an αnтι-ѕємιтє. He railed against those who hated Jews or thought them an appropriate scapegoat of society. He wrote an entire book called The Jews in 1922, which actually predicted the horror in the ghettos of Warsaw and the h0Ɩ0cαųst at the hands of the Third Reich. He described their plight accurately but without approval or rancor. Belloc no doubt had his prejudices, along with most of Edwardian England. But hating Jews was not one, and he defended them against cօռspιʀαcιҽs vociferously. His long-time personal secretary was a Jєωιѕн woman, and in his biography of Belloc A.N. Wilson points out that Belloc himself may have been descended of a Jєωιѕн great - grandfather, Moses Bloch.

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    A few problems here. The term "politically correct" is a jew-promoted term, most heavily promoted by the jewy Bill Maher (who is as safe as milk on every subject under the sun and claims people only think he's Jєωιѕн because of his nose).

    Notice how Pearce uses a pro-тαℓмυdic definition of "anti-semitism" instead of a Catholic definition. Very common con, that I see all the time, and that flies over the heads of most "Catholics". Jesus came from a Jєωιѕн bloodline. All the apostles of the Church came from Jєωιѕн bloodlines. Anyone who hated people who sprout from a Jєωιѕн bloodline wouldn't worship a God who came from a Jєωιѕн bloodline. The Catholic Church is the New Israel. тαℓмυdic Jews should be hated. But according to Pearce Belloc was a good Catholic for not hating тαℓмυdists. No, Belloc was a bad Catholic for not hating тαℓмυdists. Pearce is accusing the Catholics who expelled Jews from Catholic states of being sinners. He's accusing Popes who made Jews wear special symbols on their clothing of being sinners.

    Pearce also believes in the h0Ɩ0h0αx. What a dummy.

    Belloc's "long-time personal secretary was a Jєωιѕн woman"?!?!

    What kind of person has a "personal secretary" anyway? Jew-created celebrities and jew-created politicians have "personal secretaries."

    Pearce and Belloc deserve each other. They are cut from the same cloth.

    Interesting, if true (and I'd wager it is), if Belloc had a тαℓмυdic great-grandfather.


    I'm curious what Incredulous and Mark79 think of Hilaire Belloc.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Hilaire Belloc - Any Non-Fans?
    « Reply #1 on: December 20, 2023, 06:11:22 PM »
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  • A lot of people twist Belloc to their own agenda. Same is true for a lot of modern-day Catholics, including Chesterton, Padre Pio, Cardinal Newman, Pope Leo XIII, and many others.

    If you want to object to some of Belloc's ideas (and he certainly had ideas I strongly object to, don't get me wrong), you have to quote Belloc himself, not people commenting on his writings or ideas.


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    Re: Hilaire Belloc - Any Non-Fans?
    « Reply #2 on: December 20, 2023, 06:34:45 PM »
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  • A lot of people twist Belloc to their own agenda. Same is true for a lot of modern-day Catholics, including Chesterton, Padre Pio, Cardinal Newman, Pope Leo XIII, and many others.

    If you want to object to some of Belloc's ideas (and he certainly had ideas I strongly object to, don't get me wrong), you have to quote Belloc himself, not people commenting on his writings or ideas.
    Blah, blah, blah. People should read the original thread created by Yeti.

    What ideas did Belloc have to which you strongly object?
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Hilaire Belloc - Any Non-Fans?
    « Reply #3 on: December 20, 2023, 07:36:17 PM »
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  • Blah, blah, blah. People should read the original thread created by Yeti.
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    I am happy to discuss this with you, but only if you speak in a civil and Christian manner.

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    What ideas did Belloc have to which you strongly object?


    He was a huge fan of the French Revolution in his youth. Even when he got older, he never seems to have realized that the entire attack on Christian monarchs was an existential attack on the Catholic Faith. That's probably my biggest objection to his ideas.

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    Re: Hilaire Belloc - Any Non-Fans?
    « Reply #4 on: December 20, 2023, 07:43:15 PM »
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    I am happy to discuss this with you, but only if you speak in a civil and Christian manner.


    He was a huge fan of the French Revolution in his youth. Even when he got older, he never seems to have realized that the entire attack on Christian monarchs was an existential attack on the Catholic Faith. That's probably my biggest objection to his ideas.
    Go to your original thread I linked to and inspect the points I make about Belloc. Why did you reply here and not there? Because guests can see this thread and not the members only thread?

    I'm familiar with Belloc's enthusiasm for the French Revolution. That's the least of his worries.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.


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    Re: Hilaire Belloc - Any Non-Fans?
    « Reply #5 on: December 21, 2023, 08:38:50 AM »
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  • If you want to object to some of Belloc's ideas (and he certainly had ideas I strongly object to, don't get me wrong), you have to quote Belloc himself, not people commenting on his writings or ideas.

    Agreed.  One can't assume that these characterizations of Belloc are accurate.

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    Re: Hilaire Belloc - Any Non-Fans?
    « Reply #6 on: December 21, 2023, 09:41:32 AM »
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  • And besides, Belloc wrote almost 150 books.  A great number of people take one or two quotes from Belloc and turn it into a firestorm.  I read his "Suppression of Free Press In England," "Economics for Helen," his four volumes on the Queen Elizabeth era, and got a lot out of the volumes.  I still have some Belloc stuff on the shelf to read, but I doubt that Belloc would promote the basic principles of the French Revolution were he alive today. 
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