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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => Topic started by: Miser Peccator on April 30, 2021, 05:33:23 PM
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Some say it was...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKzn7CVzdDE&t=769s
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Gee, pretty interesting claims. I'd like to hear directly from someone who is a member of that parish and who was there when it was raided, because he said that famous lawyer was there in the church when it got raided and I didn't see her in the video. I just want to see some direct confirmation of what the guy says in this video.
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The guy has that icon in the background, which is prominently used by j-controlled Neocatechumenate Kiko folks. Who is he?
I've heard of Gemma. But who is he?
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Clicking through his channel: it's pure trash.
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I like him. He seems to be on top of trad resistance issues and he reminds me of Father Cooper.
He doubted Bp. Vigano's endorsement of Trump saving Western Civilization, and that set well with me.
If the SSPX chapel raid was provoked, that's bad for those wanting the Sacraments, but the SSPX is too political and will comply with the gov't. anyway.
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He doubted Bp. Vigano's endorsement of Tɾυmρ saving Western Civilization, and that set well with me.
Yes, sounds good. (on the other hand, even any leftist would agree)
If the SSPX chapel raid was provoked, that's bad for those wanting the Sacraments, but the SSPX is too political and will comply with the gov't. anyway.
I can't see that he got any real evidence for his provocation thesis.
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I have not seen videos by this youtube man before, but he is guilty of serious calumny. He comes across as being an attention seeking creep desperate for views.
I was not in attendance at Corpus Christi when this happened but I have consulted people involved in that parish and there is no evidence Gemma was attending the Mass when the Gardaí (police) arrived. If Gemma was in that church at the time she would have confronted the police herself. This man clearly has no idea who he is talking about. Nonetheless, Gemma does not attend the SSPX. Athlone is an hour from Dublin and there are currently no police checkpoints on the road from Dublin so it is easy to get to. The 5km rule was already abolished last weekend and intra-county travel was permitted, plus 20km outside of your county if you live near a border. This youtube man has all his facts confused and is creating a story that does not exist.
The lσcкdσωn of churches is self-inflicted in Ireland. The bishops closed all the churches before the government even said anything and they have been virulent in persecuting priests who let even a handful of faithful in. The lσcкdσωn on churches would end in the morning if the bishops opened their buildings - but they are obsessed with going above and beyond what the government wants them to do to show how docile they are to the secular state.
Gemma has proven herself to be absolutely heroic in confronting the evil drowning our society. This youtube creep has committed a serious injustice by smearing her.
Gemma led a constitutional challenge against the lσcкdσωn and the judges have now said she must pay the legal fees which will be a six figure sum. I'm furious that her good name is being smeared by this youtube creep who loves rolling his eyes around his head.
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The guy has that icon in the background, which is prominently used by j-controlled Neocatechumenate Kiko folks. Who is he?
I've heard of Gemma. But who is he?
Are you referring to the icon of Our Lady of Perpetual Succour (Our Lady of Perpetual Help)
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11699b.htm
If so, it has nothing to do with Kiko Arguello and the neocatechumenal way. Kiko paints his own icons.
I don’t know the guy, and I didn’t finish watching as I found him dead boring.
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I have not seen videos by this youtube man before, but he is guilty of serious calumny. He comes across as being an attention seeking creep desperate for views.
I was not in attendance at Corpus Christi when this happened but I have consulted people involved in that parish and there is no evidence Gemma was attending the Mass when the Gardaí (police) arrived. If Gemma was in that church at the time she would have confronted the police herself. This man clearly has no idea who he is talking about. Nonetheless, Gemma does not attend the SSPX. Athlone is an hour from Dublin and there are currently no police checkpoints on the road from Dublin so it is easy to get to. The 5km rule was already abolished last weekend and intra-county travel was permitted, plus 20km outside of your county if you live near a border. This youtube man has all his facts confused and is creating a story that does not exist.
The lσcкdσωn of churches is self-inflicted in Ireland. The bishops closed all the churches before the government even said anything and they have been virulent in persecuting priests who let even a handful of faithful in. The lσcкdσωn on churches would end in the morning if the bishops opened their buildings - but they are obsessed with going above and beyond what the government wants them to do to show how docile they are to the secular state.
Gemma has proven herself to be absolutely heroic in confronting the evil drowning our society. This youtube creep has committed a serious injustice by smearing her.
Gemma led a constitutional challenge against the lσcкdσωn and the judges have now said she must pay the legal fees which will be a six figure sum. I'm furious that her good name is being smeared by this youtube creep who loves rolling his eyes around his head.
Thank you for the "on the ground" report, NA, I didn't know what to believe.
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I have not seen videos by this youtube man before, but he is guilty of serious calumny. He comes across as being an attention seeking creep desperate for views.
I was not in attendance at Corpus Christi when this happened but I have consulted people involved in that parish and there is no evidence Gemma was attending the Mass when the Gardaí (police) arrived. If Gemma was in that church at the time she would have confronted the police herself. This man clearly has no idea who he is talking about. Nonetheless, Gemma does not attend the SSPX. Athlone is an hour from Dublin and there are currently no police checkpoints on the road from Dublin so it is easy to get to. The 5km rule was already abolished last weekend and intra-county travel was permitted, plus 20km outside of your county if you live near a border. This youtube man has all his facts confused and is creating a story that does not exist.
The lσcкdσωn of churches is self-inflicted in Ireland. The bishops closed all the churches before the government even said anything and they have been virulent in persecuting priests who let even a handful of faithful in. The lσcкdσωn on churches would end in the morning if the bishops opened their buildings - but they are obsessed with going above and beyond what the government wants them to do to show how docile they are to the secular state.
Gemma has proven herself to be absolutely heroic in confronting the evil drowning our society. This youtube creep has committed a serious injustice by smearing her.
Gemma led a constitutional challenge against the lσcкdσωn and the judges have now said she must pay the legal fees which will be a six figure sum. I'm furious that her good name is being smeared by this youtube creep who loves rolling his eyes around his head.
My default these days is to always doubt/be skeptical of what's being peddled as "the truth"....especially on the webz.
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That video is laughable garbage, basic facts wrong too.
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Well, obviously, someone did report the SSPX. Who was it?
I assume it was reported because Mass was being celebrated illegally, and masks were not being worn. Why is it that the person who posted the original post/video on the other SSPX/Athlone chapel thread not provide any other or additional info about the situation?
It may not have been a set-up, but there still some unanswered questions.
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Well, obviously, someone did report the SSPX. Who was it?
I assume it was reported because Mass was being celebrated illegally, and masks were not being worn. Why is it that the person who posted the original post/video on the other SSPX/Athlone chapel thread not provide any other or additional info about the situation?
It may not have been a set-up, but there still some unanswered questions.
It was probably a neighbour. Ireland is worse than the Soviet Union now, neighbours are reporting neighbours for having too many people in the house. I know the SSPX has frequently been reported to the police and that the police have regularly inspected the chapels on a Sunday morning and during the week. The difference is that as of two or three weeks ago the government officially declared that Mass was illegal, so now clamp down is more intense than before and is likely why the chapel was raided.
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It was probably a neighbour. Ireland is worse than the Soviet Union now, neighbours are reporting neighbours for having too many people in the house. I know the SSPX has frequently been reported to the police and that the police have regularly inspected the chapels on a Sunday morning and during the week. The difference is that as of two or three weeks ago the government officially declared that Mass was illegal, so now clamp down is more intense than before and is likely why the chapel was raided.
Okay, thanks. It's so bizarre that the gov in Ireland has declared Mass illegal.
I notice that the original phone video, posted on the other SSPX/Athlone thread, was hosted on Youtube by someone named, "Black Flag Media." Never hearing of this name before, I googled it, and it seems that Black Flag stands for anarchy. Why would an anarchist (if indeed that's what Black Flag media is) host, and presumably post this video (originally) on youtube? Where did they get the original footage from?
I'm not saying that the person who posted the video in the OP is connected to anarchists, but that the Youtube video on the other thread may possibly be.
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The first upload has been taken down at the request of the priests (broken link on article below):
https://www.catholicarena.com/latest/latinmassathlone
I cannot remember the name of the account but it has been deleted and I do not think the original was an anarchist website.
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The first upload has been taken down at the request of the priests (broken link on article below):
https://www.catholicarena.com/latest/latinmassathlone
I cannot remember the name of the account but it has been deleted and I do not think the original was an anarchist website.
If the original was taken down at the request of the priests, then that's understandable I guess.
Maybe the Black Flag media found it before it was taken down and posted it to their youtube page? Or something like that?
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Maybe the Black Flag media found it before it was taken down and posted it to their youtube page? Or something like that?
Yes, I would imagine that is the case.
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Maybe the original video was taken down per law enforcement.
And I don’t care for this guy. He can’t even say Gemma correctly. Whose side is he on? Do you trust him? I don’t.
https://youtu.be/MGBMXjJbVuY (https://youtu.be/MGBMXjJbVuY)
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I have never heard of the guy who posted the OP video on this thread. And there's no way at this time to really prove what he says - that the situation in Athlone was a set-up.
However, in carefully reading most of the youtube comments for the video, there are at least four commenters who say that Gemma was not present when the Garda were in the chapel, but that she was there for the mass just prior to the Garda's entrance. So her presence there that day may be indeed be true. And one (maybe two) of the commenters said that she was in Athlone later in the day to do a livestream.
Here are the names of the commenters (in the Youtube comments section for the video) who say that Gemma O'Doherty was there before the Garda showed up, for those who want to look into it:
~ Gerard Brady (replying to Mick Golden)
~ Loarn O Toole
~ Suppressio Hibernicus
~ coolegarry (replying to Matthew Barry)
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I have never heard of the guy who posted the OP video on this thread. And there's no way at this time to really prove what he says - that the situation in Athlone was a set-up.
However, in carefully reading most of the youtube comments for the video, there are at least four commenters who say that Gemma was not present when the Garda were in the chapel, but that she was there for the mass just prior to the Garda's entrance. So her presence there that day may be indeed be true. And one (maybe two) of the commenters said that she was in Athlone later in the day to do a livestream.
Here are the names of the commenters (in the Youtube comments section for the video) who say that Gemma O'Doherty was there before the Garda showed up, for those who want to look into it:
~ Gerard Brady (replying to Mick Golden)
~ Loarn O Toole
~ Suppressio Hibernicus
~ coolegarry (replying to Matthew Barry)
Thanks, yes, it appears she was in the church earlier in the morning. It is possible that somebody called the police on her to get her in trouble but I've been at numerous Masses that have been raided by police (so far before the Mass actually began) so you don't need Gemma to bring that about. Like I said, the legal situation changed in the last few weeks so the Mass is now being suppressed more forcefully than before.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only irate person from Ireland shredding the eye-rolling moron in his comments section (I don't have a youtube account myself). He's desperate to get Gemma on so she can "clear her name" - I'd advise her to stay away as this man does not show any signs of humility recognising the possibility that he may have gotten the situation terribly wrong.
If I was in there I would have videoed the sacrilege of having a cop walk up and down before the altar without kneeling. In fact I would have charged at him in a rage that he would behave with such insolence in the house of God and driven him out. This false humility that we must always be quiet is exactly why the Faith has been obliterated from the face of the earth. God bless the man who stood up to the police and demanded they make an account of their actions. Heroic.
This is my last comment on this stupidity. With all the evil going on in society, this has been a colossal waste of time and reveals a prime example of bad "journalism".
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It was probably a neighbour. Ireland is worse than the Soviet Union now, neighbours are reporting neighbours for having too many people in the house. I know the SSPX has frequently been reported to the police and that the police have regularly inspected the chapels on a Sunday morning and during the week. The difference is that as of two or three weeks ago the government officially declared that Mass was illegal, so now clamp down is more intense than before and is likely why the chapel was raided.
The priest repeatedly suggests not parking in the area when going to the chapel. It is a sad thing, even if it is a necessary precaution. Some of these informers could well be older people who have some hatred of the Mass, and with myths in the media about Tuam babies and whatnot, there's much to nourish the hate. Another SSPX chapel had a Mass in this country. The Gardaí waited and at the end said they considered the numbers a possible violation of CÖVÌD regs. Athlone Garda station is up to its neck in drugs and other forms of criminality, while other districts might just concern themselves with fighting crimes rather than committing or controlling crime, as they are doing.
There are some Resistance priests. I think a farmhouse with an improvised chapel is typically used, which can be safer. People can park, and it is private.
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This forum allows us to examine the story more closely:
1. The YouTube OP put the story into play. The narrator was obviously fed a sympathetic SSPX viewpoint.
2. What we learned is that the Irish cops are more sinister than we initially thought?
“Just doin their jobs”, is more like following their masonic “brotherhood’s” orders.
3. If they will disrespect the Holy Eucharist, incarcerate a Catholic man as “mental” and take away his children Maccabean bƖσσdshɛd cannot be far away.
“Rejoice and be glad...”
4. We have no traditional Catholic leadership (SSPX or Resistance) to guide us. So, the natural thing to do is to turn to Our Lady.
5. Rosary processions are the answer.
Let the cops bust em up.
Our Lady will thrash them.
6. You have Our Lady of Knock. We have the Virgin of Guadalupe.
Publicly honor them and the tide will turn our way.
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Update video ( who shot the footage)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP7e8PZVAig
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Maybe the original video was taken down per law enforcement.
And I don’t care for this guy. He can’t even say Gemma correctly. Whose side is he on? Do you trust him? I don’t.
https://youtu.be/MGBMXjJbVuY (https://youtu.be/MGBMXjJbVuY)
I thought this was an intriguing, intellectual interview on jew-sury.
Thanks for posting it!
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Update video ( who shot the footage)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP7e8PZVAig
I hate these Youtube creeps who always stick a pic of them smiling onto every thumbnail, even when it's totally inappropriate.
What on Earth possessed to put a pic of himself putting on a fake smile next to the words "Police Seize Children"? Utterly tone-deaf.
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The guy has that icon in the background, which is prominently used by j-controlled Neocatechumenate Kiko folks.
The Lady of Perpetual Help? How is that a "Neocatechumenate Kiko" icon?
Pope Leo XIII and Pope St. Pius X had a devotion to that icon, it was given a canonical status by Pope Pius IX. It is anything but what you claim.