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Offline Trinity

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Was America bad from the start?
« on: August 27, 2006, 02:21:17 PM »
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  • There have been some who have said our founding fathers were masonic conspirators; that America was founded by the illuminati for their purposes, etc. What proof have they? Or that our presidents have been illuminati family members. I have found an article which tells us when the pyramid was put on our dollar bill, and it was just when you might expect it was.

    Pyramid On The One Dollar Bill

    The pyramid was placed on the back of our dollar bills during the term of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. This is the Masonic pyramid. It was always on our Great Seal, but most people weren't aware of it. It was only after we lost our "real money," Silver Certificates, which were based on actual reserves of Gold and Silver, and were given Federal Reserve Notes instead which were easily inflated, that the pyramid side of the Great Seal was put on the dollar bill. It has 13 courses. The all-seeing eye goes back to Egyptian idolatry of Osiris, and ultimately to Lucifer. It is not the eye of God. In the early orders, there is frequent mention of God, but not much about Jesus. It is only later that one learns who their god is. There are constant references to mythological characters and gods of other religions. President Roosevelt was himself a thirty-third degree Mason and a close associate of the CFR.

    The words Novus Ordo Seclorum- "New Order of the Ages" in Latin--appear on the dollar bill. Basically this has the same meaning as "The nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr." Many feel that the big banking houses of Europe saw the United States as a new world where they purposely sent their representatives so that it could be the kingpin of their future one-world government.
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    Was America bad from the start?
    « Reply #1 on: August 27, 2006, 02:59:38 PM »
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  • I think the American Revolution's main cause was the money power. And President Jackson stopped the Rothschilds, that it took until 1913 to have a private central bank again, the Federal Reserve.

    The Money Masters: How International Bankers Gained Control of America is an excellent overview of this aspect of the question.
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    « Reply #2 on: August 27, 2006, 03:51:24 PM »
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    Jackson's proudest moment. You should post The Money Makers here.

    I would like to dig and delve and find evidence of illuminati fingerprints on our country back then. This article has a quote from G. Washington which seems to indicate that he was not illuminati. It follows:

    Kah says that The Illuminati were condemned by George Washington in 1798. Our first president was a Mason, but he was a godly man. He was a surveyor, and would naturally belong to Masonic trades. But there is no evidence that he personally was involved in any of the unfortunate secret aspects of the founding of our nation and its capital, such as the city of Washington D.C. being laid out in the form of a pentagram. He wrote, "I have heard much of the nefarious and dangerous plan and doctrines of the Illuminati. It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States." (From The Writings of George Washington, V. 20: Washington D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1941).


    The Money Masters: How International Bankers Gained Control of America



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    « Reply #3 on: August 27, 2006, 10:39:12 PM »
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    Thanks, Petre. I hope everyone watches these because they are very instructive, esp about that miserable fractional interest or whatever it's called. It is such a diabolical plan people ought to be outraged by it.


    Yes, the Rothschilds worked for a long time to finally get a permanent Central Bank established here in the USA -- we had several presidents who kicked them out (and usually led to a war shortly afterward!)

    Because of the way the Fractional Reserve system works, if you have $10,000 in a savings account, they get to lend out $100,000. That's why I'd suggest everyone here take out any major amounts (just keep a couple thousand for emergencies) and pay off debts instead. You'll save much more money (because you won't pay as much interest) and you won't be part of the "system".

    Anyone who has a huge amount invested in banks, stocks, etc. basically has to support Bush's drive to take over the middle east, oil, etc. -- because if he doesn't, your money won't be worth much, the stock market will fall, etc.

    But if we don't play the game, we won't mind if Bush did the right thing, and left the Middle East alone.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 30, 2006, 03:57:45 PM »
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    You couldn't support a dust mote with what I have in the bank.  What I own, I own.  If it weren't for doctors, etc, I wouldn't owe, either.  Too bad we the people don't take your advice, though.  I wouldn't want to face God with this war on my conscience, not even indirectly.


    It would be the fault of the authorities really since they are putting us in that predicament. We do not ask them to use our money for evil purposes. They basically are stealing from us like any thief would for his own selfish ambitions.

    EDIT: It is hard enough trying to pay off any debts. One would have to get a big safe for storing any saved money perhaps. That would involve also a big risk if someone broke into your home, unless you have a home security system maybe.
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    « Reply #5 on: August 30, 2006, 11:10:47 PM »
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  • Whatever money we do have should be kept out of the banks for now.

    But I think most people won't have much, after paying off some of their mortgage, other debts, etc.

    What money is left over should be spent on things you can use -- like a shovel, ax, wheelbarrow, organic seeds, fertilizer, canned goods, water, you name it.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 31, 2006, 11:59:46 PM »
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    Whatever money we do have should be kept out of the banks for now.

    But I think most people won't have much, after paying off some of their mortgage, other debts, etc.

    What money is left over should be spent on things you can use -- like a shovel, ax, wheelbarrow, organic seeds, fertilizer, canned goods, water, you name it.

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    How can I learn how to garden and what kind of seeds can I get then that will not go bad?  :confused1:
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    « Reply #7 on: September 02, 2006, 09:56:16 PM »
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    Seeds lose germination when they get old.  The way to test them is to put a few seeds in a wet paper towel and fold it up and put it in a baggy.  When the germination time is up, open your paper towel and see how many germinated and that is your percentage of good seed.  

    What Chant is talking about are seeds that were genetically engineered to NOT  REPRODUCE, so you can't get seed off the plant for next year.  There are a LOT of gardening books out there.  Check your local library.


    Don't they sell seeds anywhere that can germinate for the next year?
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    « Reply #8 on: September 02, 2006, 10:15:32 PM »
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  • You can get organic seeds (those whose fruit produces viable seeds) many places, but they are always called organic.

    Any seeds which aren't specifically called organic are probably hybrids, and the results of trying to make your own seeds from the fruit you grow will be unknown at best.

    Obviously, from an independence standpoint, you don't want to be dependent on Wal-mart selling seeds any more than you want to be dependent on Wal-mart for your groceries.

    Of course, for learning purposes the regular seeds are ok (I still use them right now) but it's high on my list to get organic seeds. They sell them on the Internet, and in some nuseries.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 02, 2006, 10:20:39 PM »
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    Whatever money we do have should be kept out of the banks for now.

    But I think most people won't have much, after paying off some of their mortgage, other debts, etc.

    What money is left over should be spent on things you can use -- like a shovel, ax, wheelbarrow, organic seeds, fertilizer, canned goods, water, you name it.

    Matthew


    How can I learn how to garden and what kind of seeds can I get then that will not go bad?  :confused1:


    As for learning to garden, there are many good websites that have tips for free. Everyone I know recommends "Square Foot Gardening" for the small-area gardener -- though I don't have a copy of it yet. I'd like to get it though.

    Basically, you want to dig up an area of your backyard, probably start a compost pile so you'll have a free source of mulch (and organic matter for your soil), get some fertilizer and maybe a couple bags of "Organic humus", "Mushroom compost" or other such 40-pound bags that usually cost 96 cents each. They really help your garden do well.

    You dig up a rectangle or square, but the actual places you plant a tomato plant, etc. you should dig a bit deeper, (depending on your soil) just to loosen it up. In Texas, the ground is pretty crappy so I remove a bunch of the clay, and fill in the hole with humus/topsoil (both are 96 cents a bag at Wal-mart) and THEN plant my seeds, plants, etc. This seems to be one of my greatest discoveries so far :)

    I'm still learning though, but it's very satisfying to physically produce food for my own family. It's a chance to get off the computer (both my jobs involve a computer), get some exercise, fresh air, etc. and it's good for one's soul I think.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 03, 2006, 03:20:54 PM »
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  • Why can't they instead make more REAL seeds? Do they want to kill us eventually or something? Things like, abortion, contraception, failure of medical provisions, and other such things contribute to the war against life, of which God Himself is God and which He creates. Hybrid seeds seem like they could be included among the above listed factors.
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    « Reply #11 on: September 07, 2006, 12:56:33 PM »
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  • Tha American revolution created a nation that would keep the Catholics of Mexico, Central America and South America in check.

    The USA helped oust the Spanish, then introduced the Lodges to Mexico.

    Mexico's leaders have been pawns of Washington DC's Freemasons ever since.

    The Mexican American war was a facade, as Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna and the US gov't were all Freemasons.  They were going to give the US those territories and defanaticize Mexico, and a war was the perfect way to do it.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 07, 2006, 03:09:03 PM »
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  • Quite unfortunate indeed, because the Founding Fathers at least recognized the influence of the money power, the international Jєωιѕн bankers. And yet the Illuminati of Weishaupt infiltrated into Masonry and took it over themselves. And they infiltrated agents into the US government, causing it to be more anti-Catholic than previously, after the Presidency of Jackson (who was at least friendly to Catholics; I read in my missal that he asked for prayers from some Sisters in New Orleans before he fought the last battle of the War of 1812). After Jackson, all turned into chaos, especially with James Polk.
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  • At least Washington reconverted on his deathbed.

    I heard Jefferson Davis and the Pope at the time were good friends, and the Confederacy was more Christian than the Union.
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    « Reply #14 on: September 07, 2006, 03:21:00 PM »
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    At least Washington reconverted on his deathbed.

    I heard Jefferson Davis and the Pope at the time were good friends, and the Confederacy was more Christian than the Union.


    Which was quite unfortunate, as the Illuminati were also behind the scenes in the Confederacy. Lincoln, for all of his faults, knew that if he got loans from the Rothschilds, he would drag the US back into the hands of the international Jєωιѕн bankers. When he refused the loans, John Wilkes Booth was commissioned to assasinate him, from the bankers. Then in 1913, the evil Fed Reserve Act was passed, and we're now so heavily in debt to these Illuminati, international Jєωιѕн bankers.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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