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Vigano: The avatar for Opus Dei's Chat GPT
« on: July 15, 2023, 12:45:43 PM »
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    Opus Dei's symbology, a Cross surrounded by a serpentine circle and the Rosicrucian rose.
                   



              Archbishop Vigano, "woke" from the Novus ordo schism and miraculously converted to Catholic tradition.
              Yet, never once did he renounce Opus Dei or his former high level participation with them.
         
    And the Archbishop's virtual encyclicals, aimed at the Catholic remnant, on every religious, political and social topic.
      Parsed precisely, like AI Chat, never to mention the real enemies of Jesus Christ and our Holy religion.
                                                     

                                             
                                                      We can replace Opus Dei's Rose with the Chat GPT symbol.

                                                                     
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Vigano: The avatar for Opus Dei's Chat GPT
    « Reply #1 on: July 15, 2023, 12:48:16 PM »
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    Opus Dei's symbology, a Cross surrounded by a serpentine circle and the Rosicrucian rose.
                   

              Archbishop Vigano, "woke" from the Novus ordo schism and miraculously converted to Catholic tradition.
              Yet, never once did he renounce Opus Dei or his former high level participation with them.
         
    And the Archbishop's virtual encyclicals, aimed at the Catholic remnant, on every religious, political and social topic.
      Parsed precisely, like AI Chat, never to mention the real enemies of Jesus Christ and our Holy religion.
                                                     

                                             
                                                We can replace Opus Dei's Rose with the Chat GPT symbol.


    so is Vigano a Sede?

    >?


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    Re: Vigano: The avatar for Opus Dei's Chat GPT
    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2023, 01:40:54 PM »
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  • so is Vigano a Sede?

    >?


    I think Vigano implies Francis is an usurper, but to imply that the whole Consiliar Church is in schism would overthrow the Opus Dei empire.  Therefore, Consiliarism is "reformable" :laugh1:



    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Vigano: The avatar for Opus Dei's Chat GPT
    « Reply #3 on: July 15, 2023, 01:53:26 PM »
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  • I think Vigano implies Francis is an usurper, but to imply that the whole Consiliar Church is in schism would overthrow the Opus Dei empire.  Therefore, Consiliarism is "reformable" :laugh1:

    well, there is a lot of .. illogical positions today in what is purportedly the Catholic Church.. 

    yet God is not the author of confusion.

    Humans ruin stuff.. that, we know

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    Re: Vigano: The avatar for Opus Dei's Chat GPT
    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2023, 02:16:43 PM »
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  • I think Vigano implies Francis is an usurper, but to imply that the whole Consiliar Church is in schism would overthrow the Opus Dei empire.  Therefore, Consiliarism is "reformable" :laugh1:


    Here's what Chat GPT says when asked if Vigano is a sede:

    Yes, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò is often associated with sedevacantism, although he has not explicitly declared himself to be a sedevacantist. Sedevacantism is the belief held by some traditionalist Catholics that the papal see is currently vacant due to what they perceive as heretical teachings or actions of recent popes. While Viganò has been critical of certain actions and policies within the Catholic Church, including the handling of the clergy abuse scandal, he has not formally declared himself a sedevacantist. It is important to note that Viganò's views and opinions are his own and may not necessarily reflect the official position of the Catholic Church

    I would add that since Vigano is buddies with the anti-sedes, Bp. Williamson and Sean Johnson, the good Archbishop would never admit he's a formal sede lest he lose their treasured friendship.;)
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Vigano: The avatar for Opus Dei's Chat GPT
    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2023, 03:05:59 PM »
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  • Here's what Chat GPT says when asked if Vigano is a sede:

    Yes, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò is often associated with sedevacantism, although he has not explicitly declared himself to be a sedevacantist. Sedevacantism is the belief held by some traditionalist Catholics that the papal see is currently vacant due to what they perceive as heretical teachings or actions of recent popes. While Viganò has been critical of certain actions and policies within the Catholic Church, including the handling of the clergy abuse scandal, he has not formally declared himself a sedevacantist. It is important to note that Viganò's views and opinions are his own and may not necessarily reflect the official position of the Catholic Church

    I would add that since Vigano is buddies with the anti-sedes, Bp. Williamson and Sean Johnson, the good Archbishop would never admit he's a formal sede lest he lose their treasured friendship.;)

    I’d think you’d go a bit easier on him, since he also said something very dear to your heart:

    ”Quicuмque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est ut teneat Catholicam fidem; quam nisi quisque integram inviolatamque servaverit, absque dubio in aeternum peribit – Whosoever wishes to be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith; For unless a person shall have kept this faith whole and inviolate, without doubt he shall eternally perish.”

    + Carlo Maria Viganò
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Vigano: The avatar for Opus Dei's Chat GPT
    « Reply #6 on: July 15, 2023, 03:44:16 PM »
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  • well, there is a lot of .. illogical positions today in what is purportedly the Catholic Church..

    yet God is not the author of confusion.

    Humans ruin stuff.. that, we know

    Except that you are listening to an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about:

    Vigano took Schneider to task for saying the Council was salvageable, whereas Vigano says it must be thrown out (ie., the exact opposite of the position Incredulous assigns to him).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2023, 04:51:32 PM »
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    « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2023, 05:18:51 PM »
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  • And now YouTube has censored +Vigano as well: https://www.marcotosatti.com/2023/07/15/global-coup-youtube-censors-mons-vigano/ 


    Global coup. Youtube censors mons. Viganò.
    15 Luglio 2023 Pubblicato da Marco Tosatti Lascia il tuo commento
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    Dear friends and enemies of Stilum Curiae, we receive and gladly publish this speech of archbishop Caro Maria Viganò, whose video has been censured by You Tube. happy reading.
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    Address for the Bornholm Conference
    Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop
     
     
    Dear Friends, allow me to thank the organizers of this conference and to greet all the participants. Your presence and sharing the alarm about the global coup – along with many other groups and movements throughout the world – should be a great consolation for all of us, because it means that the assault we are witnessing faces a firm and determined opposition that is not willing to allow the criminal plan of the servants of the World Economic Forum to be imposed.
     
    You have had the opportunity to listen to other addresses, which have explained to you in a comprehensive way how this coup was hatched over time, who its authors are, and what goals they have set for themselves. Over the past three years, I have repeatedly denounced the instrumental use of the pandemic farse and mass vaccination as an experiment of social engineering, which intended not only to pathologize the world population after having exterminated part of it, but also to create the premises for a capillary control of every human activity. This control serves to make social credit possible, a system that is already in force in communist China: by means of this system the citizens are subjected to an evaluation of their “virtuous” behavior and are rewarded or punished based on their obedience. And this can happen, as we know, only where every person can be traced in all of his actions, including all payments and financial transactions. It matters little whether the rewards and punishments are in regard to respect for the lockdowns, having received the so-called “vaccine,” expressing one’s thoughts on social media, or the supposed “carbon footprint” of our consumption: the controller wants to be able to force us with coercive means to obey his orders, regardless of whether what he asks of us is reasonable or justified. The green pass that we recently experienced was the dress rehearsal for the digital identity that the European Union wants to impose on all its citizens; a digital identity that will be linked to our current bank account, our health record, our internet activity, and the purchases that we make.
     
    We ought to recognize that the architects of this coup have demonstrated that they are extremely organized, and on the other hand we also ought to admit that the reaction against this progressive encirclement has been slow and fragmented. On the other hand, it is precisely in keeping us divided that our enemy – because that is what he is – succeeds in making us weak and in preventing the formation of an opposition movement. He must prevent the coordination of any protest, the visibility of dissenting voices, and the spread of arguments that disavow the mainstream narrative.
     
    I address you as a Catholic Bishop and former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America. My principal duty, as a Pastor, is to defend the Truth, which is the attribute of God, against the lie of the one who is a liar and murderer from the beginning. But in this case, dear friends, the attack of the elite strikes not only at the foundations of Religion but also at the very essence of our being, our freedom, our free will, and our very nature. It is a war against God and against man. A war in which a group of subversives wants to restart the world – this is the “Great Reset” of which they speak – re-setting Creation itself and canceling everything in it that recalls the wise hand of the Creator and above all the total gratuitousness of his work.
     
    Everything that the globalist elite accomplishes is done with two goals in view: one that is ideological (I would say even theological) and the other material. The ideological goal is to make us slaves, depriving us of the freedom to do Good and forcing us with blackmail or threats to do Evil or even just to tolerate others doing it. The material goal is to concentrate wealth in the hands of a few financial groups, which thanks to these profits can actively cooperate in the realization of the first objective. You can find confirmation of this by observing how in recent years everything has been transformed into a source of profit: birth, with surrogate motherhood and artificial insemination; death, with abortion and euthanasia; life, with vaccinations, gender transitioning, and the commodification of sex. Everything that the Lord has given us freely and with a magnificence worthy of God has been transformed into lucre. They make us pay for good things, because when they cost more they are difficult to practice, and they also make us pay for bad things, because we pay the price of our sins to those who propose them to us as a lifestyle. They make us pay for what up until yesterday was unthinkable as an object of commerce: air, water, sunlight, nature, health, and even friendship and love. And what is worse is that this commodification is a colossal fraud, because it is based on a lie which many people seem to want to believe: that everything necessarily has a price and nothing can be given freely.
     
    My appeal to all of you today is that you may understand the only infallible way to escape from this infernal labyrinth and strike against the root of the globalist scourge precisely on the two fronts that I mentioned earlier: the ideological one and the economic one. Indeed, perhaps the first one to strike is the economic one, because this is what provides this perverse system with its means of subsistence. But in order to do this it is necessary to unite in an Antiglobalist Alliance, contributing – each one of us with our own means – to an action of resistance and denunciation of the coup.
     
    From many parts of the world, the response to my appeal for the Antiglobalist Alliance is arousing great interest, because if we succeed in uniting together and organizing an opposition, we can truly obtain concrete results: on the one hand, the refutation of the programmatic points of the Agenda 2030, the formulation of credible alternative proposals that respect natural law, and the denunciation of the subversive elements. On the other hand, the boycotting of multinational corporations engaged in the promotion of globalism and the support of all those elements that oppose it. If each of us did not buy products made by companies aligned with the World Economic Forum, it would be possible to give a strong signal that only with difficulty could be ignored. And if, at the same time, we concretely support our local family-run store, our neighborhood artisan, our local farmers and breeders, we would create a network of resistance that could stand together and oppose the implementation of the globalist agenda. We number in the millions, indeed billions, of people. And even though up until now we have been disorganized due to the media’s deliberate falsification of the confrontation, we still have the opportunity to fight back, and to do so together: in order to rediscover those authentic human relationships that the dystopia of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr wants to eliminate because it considers them dangerous.
     
    I therefore exhort you to continue on the path you have undertaken, uniting your forces with clear and concrete objectives. If you give a Christian soul to this practical action, placing it under the protection of God, the possibilities of success will increase exponentially, because our poor human strength will be augmented by the omnipotence of God, who loves us and does not abandon us when we encounter difficulties. But in order to do this, dear friends, we must choose which side we are on: either the side of the Children of Light, or the side of the children of darkness. And being Children of Light means being good Christians, obeying the Commandments of God, respecting the sacredness and intangibleness of life, defending the natural family and the education of our children, preferring the gratuitousness and generosity of the Good to the profit and calculation of those who do evil. We cannot hope for Our Lord to help us if we are the first to offend Him by our way of life. In the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus has shown us the order of priorities: Hallowed be thy name; Thy Kingdom come; Thy will be done are the principal things, which are then followed by the material things: Give us this day our daily bread; Forgive us our trespasses; Lead us not into temptation; Deliver us from evil. Sanctify the name of God, make Him reign in your heart and in society, and obey His holy Law: the rest – free of charge, like all the things of God – will be given to us far beyond our hope. May the Lord bless you all.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Vigano: The avatar for Opus Dei's Chat GPT
    « Reply #9 on: July 15, 2023, 06:17:16 PM »
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  • Ever since Vatican 2, the recognize and resist people have been saying that the conciliar "popes" must be declared heretics and deposed by the Church, i.e. by a cardinal or at least a bishop. They have criticized sedevacantists for jumping the gun, supposedly, by making this decision on a private basis.

    So now, for the first time since Archbishop Lefebvre died, they have someone who publicly condemns Vatican 2 and modernism, and even hints that Bergoglio is not pope, but who refuses to judge and depose him for heresy using his authority as a Catholic bishop, and thus restore the Church.

    And despite his refusal to do what these people have been clamoring for for years, Abp Vigano is nevertheless a hero of the R&R crowd, and none of them call him out on this.

    Why?

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    « Reply #10 on: July 15, 2023, 06:21:44 PM »
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  • Ever since Vatican 2, the recognize and resist people have been saying that the conciliar "popes" must be declared heretics and deposed by the Church, i.e. by a cardinal or at least a bishop. They have criticized sedevacantists for jumping the gun, supposedly, by making this decision on a private basis.

    So now, for the first time since Archbishop Lefebvre died, they have someone who publicly condemns Vatican 2 and modernism, and even hints that Bergoglio is not pope, but who refuses to judge and depose him for heresy using his authority as a Catholic bishop, and thus restore the Church.

    And despite his refusal to do what these people have been clamoring for for years, Abp Vigano is nevertheless a hero of the R&R crowd, and none of them call him out on this.

    Why?

    Because a retired bishop has no jurisdiction in the Church, and even if he did, he would still have to call an imperfect council (which implies at least some bishops with jurisdiction, such as perhaps the Roman bishops) to declare the fact of his heresy.

    Yet Vigano stands alone, and without jurisdiction to do anything.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2023, 06:34:25 PM »
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  • And despite his refusal to do what these people have been clamoring for for years, Abp Vigano is nevertheless a hero of the R&R crowd ...

    Who's this R&R crowd?  SSPX, neo-SSPX, have been completely silent about him, preferring to cozy up to Bergoglio.  Many SVs despise him for one reason or another.  Really, his greatest appeal has been to the conservative Novus Ordite crowd.

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    « Reply #12 on: July 15, 2023, 06:46:54 PM »
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  • Who's this R&R crowd?  SSPX, neo-SSPX, have been completely silent about him, preferring to cozy up to Bergoglio.  Many SVs despise him for one reason or another.  Really, his greatest appeal has been to the conservative Novus Ordite crowd.
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    I had in mind the Remnant types, mainly, like Michael Matt and people of similar position.

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    Re: Vigano: The avatar for Opus Dei's Chat GPT
    « Reply #13 on: July 15, 2023, 06:49:08 PM »
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  • Because a retired bishop has no jurisdiction in the Church
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    Is this your answer or his? I've never heard him make this excuse, since as I said, no one has ever even asked him to judge and condemn Bergoglio for heresy and depose him.

    At least not publicly, that I'm aware of.

    Again, I find it bizarre that this question has never even been publicly raised. By anybody.

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    even if he did, he would still have to call an imperfect council (which implies at least some bishops with jurisdiction, such as perhaps the Roman bishops) to declare the fact of his heresy.

    First of all, he hasn't even attempted to call an imperfect council, so that's kind of my point. Secondly, how many bishops would be required for such a council? If they refused to join due to loyalty to Bergoglio, wouldn't that make them heretics as well, under the same condemnation as him, and therefore ineligible to participate in such a council? And if, theoretically, no bishop in the world wanted to join such a council (which seems unlikely), why wouldn't one bishop be sufficient if he were the only bishop in the world keeping the Faith? And if not, how many bishops would be the minimum necessary number for such a council?

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    « Reply #14 on: July 15, 2023, 07:47:29 PM »
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    Is this your answer or his? I've never heard him make this excuse, since as I said, no one has ever even asked him to judge and condemn Bergoglio for heresy and depose him.

    My answer.

    At least not publicly, that I'm aware of.

    Again, I find it bizarre that this question has never even been publicly raised. By anybody.

    First of all, he hasn't even attempted to call an imperfect council, so that's kind of my point. Secondly, how many bishops would be required for such a council? If they refused to join due to loyalty to Bergoglio, wouldn't that make them heretics as well, under the same condemnation as him, and therefore ineligible to participate in such a council? And if, theoretically, no bishop in the world wanted to join such a council (which seems unlikely), why wouldn't one bishop be sufficient if he were the only bishop in the world keeping the Faith? And if not, how many bishops would be the minimum necessary number for such a council?

    Can you think of even one other bishop in the world who would attend such a council?

    As for the number of such bishops who would be required to attend such a council and declare the fact of heresy, I have no idea, but I suppose it would have to be a number sufficient to destroy the universal consent.


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    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."