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Offline Miser Peccator

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Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2022, 09:49:22 AM »
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  • I'm sorry, Sean, but I'm afraid you are not seeing clearly due to idol worship of Vigano.

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    « Reply #16 on: May 27, 2022, 11:51:34 AM »
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  • This argument again :clown::clown::clown:
    "We dare not even start to hope until the Faith, the true Faith, and its revealed content, are secured in our minds. Only in terms of Faith do we dare to hope."


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    « Reply #17 on: May 27, 2022, 12:02:55 PM »
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  • This argument again :clown::clown::clown:

    Get used to it, as it appears every time I post a Vigano epistle, Miser is going to whine about him not condemning Trump for the vax.

    It is irritating to have her continually and immediately derail them, but its a largely unmoderated forum, and it is what it is.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #18 on: May 27, 2022, 12:10:28 PM »
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  • Get used to it, as it appears every time I post a Vigano epistle, Miser is going to whine about him not condemning Trump for the vax.

    It is irritating to have her continually and immediately derail them, but its a largely unmoderated forum, and it is what it is.
    She isn't condemning sede clergy (RCI, others) for this but just goes after Vigano hmmmmm. Most sede clergy that are against the vaccine still support Trump. Will she condemn these priests too because they fail the purity test? Maybe these priests are NWO installed too :facepalm:
    "We dare not even start to hope until the Faith, the true Faith, and its revealed content, are secured in our minds. Only in terms of Faith do we dare to hope."

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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2022, 12:26:52 PM »
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  • This argument again :clown::clown::clown:


    Vigano to the crowds of people at Reawaken America Rally April 2, 2022 eager to hear Eric Trump speak:

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    Let us have no illusions: these servants of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr who have managed to occupy the highest positions of national governments and international organizations are our enemies: enemies of the good and enemies of God. They do not care how many of us will have to die from the effects of the vaccine

    Who is he referring to here?  Trump?

    The shoe fits.

    Trump doesn't care how many will die from the effects of the vaccine.

    He keeps promoting it.  He wants credit for it.

    Eric Trump should be hiding out in fear for his life.

    Instead they celebrate Eric on stage while their fellow citizens are dying all around the country from his father's death shot.

    Vigano assures the crowd that poor mass murderer Trump is a victim of the nwo and still the legitimate president.   They respond by applauding the Father of the Vaccine.

    And Catholics rejoice at Vigano's clarity.

    This is some kind of crazy gas-lighting.

    You're right, Vigano, let us have no illusions.





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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #20 on: May 27, 2022, 12:50:25 PM »
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  • +Vigano:
    • How and when did communistic infiltrators get a foothold in the hierarchy of the Catholic Church?

    WHEN:  October 28, 1958, when they replaced the legitimate Catholic pope with Komrad Roncalli.
    HOW:  answer above, by replacing Siri with Roncalli.

    Of course, they spent many decades infiltrating the hierarchy to get Cardinal agents inside the conclave, but this was the pivotal day in Church history.

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    « Reply #21 on: May 27, 2022, 12:55:32 PM »
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  • Once again, he blames everyone except the "FATHER OF THE VACCINE". 

    The leader of the most powerful nation on earth who brought forth this mass murder and isn't sorry but wants credit:  Trump!

    Why isn't Vigano giving genocidal Trump the credit he desires?

    Well, at least he didn't lie to cover for him this time.

    What are you talking about?  He barely mentioned US politics at all in this interview, i.e. didn't mention Biden either.  He was focusing on the globalist forces, WEF, Schwab, Soros et al.

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    « Reply #22 on: May 27, 2022, 12:57:05 PM »
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  • Plus, there’s not a word about aliens, proving he believes in them!

    Moreover, there’s nothing here about omelettes!

    Why, there’s TONS of other things this letter doesn’t cover (a sure sign of Opus Dei marrano’ism)!!!!!!!!

    You responded almost identically here before I got down to your post.  He doesn't mention lots of things, as US politics wasn't really his focus here.  Didn't mention Joe Biden either, which should be interpreted as support for Biden.


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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #23 on: May 27, 2022, 01:00:19 PM »
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  • Me thinks Archbishop Vigano talks much and does little. :popcorn:

    Or as Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange said of the young Karol Wojtyla - “writes much; says little.”

    If only we had another Archbishop Lefebvre. :incense: 
    “How can the ignorant teach others? How can the licentious make others modest? And how can the impure make others pure? If anyone hates peace, how can he make others peaceable ? Or if anyone has soiled his hands with baseness, how can he cleanse the impurities of another? We read also that if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch [Matt. 15:14]. But first correct yourselves, in order that, free from blame , you may be able to correct those who are subject to you.”

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    « Reply #24 on: May 27, 2022, 01:00:34 PM »
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  • If you want to attack some other speech / writing / interview where he excessively praises Trump, that's fine, but that has nothing to do with this interview here.

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    « Reply #25 on: May 27, 2022, 01:04:11 PM »
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  • Me thinks Archbishop Vigano talks much and does little. :popcorn:

    Or as Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange said of the young Karol Wojtyla - “writes much; says little.”

    I've addressed this criticism before.

    1) What would you have him do?  Start ordaining priests and bishops ... when there are a half dozen or more Trad groups already doing that?

    2) You underestimate the power of +Vigano's writing.  He's emboldening more and more of the conservative Conciliar fence-sitters who used to hold their tongue out of misplaced "respect" for the Conciliar hierarchy, to start criticizing and attacking Bergoglio and to waking up about the true nature of the Crisis (not just a misinterpretation of Vatican II with their go-to "hermeneutic of continuity").  That "hermeneutic of continuity" was always what these types hid behind to apologize for V2.


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    « Reply #26 on: May 27, 2022, 01:08:10 PM »
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  • I've addressed this criticism before.

    1) What would you have him do?  Start ordaining priests and bishops ... when there are a half dozen or more Trad groups already doing that?

    2) You underestimate the power of +Vigano's writing.  He's emboldening more and more of the conservative Conciliar fence-sitters who used to hold their tongue out of misplaced "respect" for the Conciliar hierarchy, to start criticizing and attacking Bergoglio and to waking up about the true nature of the Crisis (not just a misinterpretation of Vatican II with their go-to "hermeneutic of continuity").  That "hermeneutic of continuity" was always what these types hid behind to apologize for V2.

    1) I think that’s an excellent idea! Shows the modernists that he means business and is a blistering threat to their hegemony which would make people take him more seriously. Another SSPX would make the Vatican apostates lose sleep and scramble like headless chickens. :cowboy:

    2) Sure. I don’t disagree. 
    “How can the ignorant teach others? How can the licentious make others modest? And how can the impure make others pure? If anyone hates peace, how can he make others peaceable ? Or if anyone has soiled his hands with baseness, how can he cleanse the impurities of another? We read also that if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch [Matt. 15:14]. But first correct yourselves, in order that, free from blame , you may be able to correct those who are subject to you.”

    Pope Urban II

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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #27 on: May 27, 2022, 01:12:26 PM »
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  • She isn't condemning sede clergy (RCI, others) for this but just goes after Vigano hmmmmm. Most sede clergy that are against the vaccine still support Trump. Will she condemn these priests too because they fail the purity test? Maybe these priests are NWO installed too :facepalm:

    Perhaps you can help me understand how somebody can be against the vaccine but support the Father of the Vaccine who is still out there promoting it?

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    « Reply #28 on: May 27, 2022, 01:16:28 PM »
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  • 2) You underestimate the power of +Vigano's writing.  He's emboldening more and more of the conservative Conciliar fence-sitters who used to hold their tongue out of misplaced "respect" for the Conciliar hierarchy, to start criticizing and attacking Bergoglio and to waking up about the true nature of the Crisis (not just a misinterpretation of Vatican II with their go-to "hermeneutic of continuity").  That "hermeneutic of continuity" was always what these types hid behind to apologize for V2.

    Agree completely.

    The pen is mightier than the sword, and Vigano’s in particular.

    Men were ill-disposed to listen to Lefebvre, unable to get past the censure and canonical issues, but Vigano does not carry that baggage (yet).  Bergoglio screwed up in that regard.

    Consequently, as Lad says, he’s able to reach neoconservatives where Lefebvre couldn’t, and is presently the only man capable of uniting resistance against DeepChurch at the present time (and the first since early Lefebvre to do it since the council).

    Eventually, with enough exposure to Vigano, doctrine will regain/retake supremacy over canonical considerations amidst this protracted state of necessity, and if that happens neocons become traditionalists in droves, threatening the very foundations of conciliarism.

    All the Resistance loves him.

    Almost all the sedes do too.

    And I suspect there are a good number of Nicodemus’s in the SSPX and indult orbits as well (who, because of their desire for unity with conciliar Rome lack the courage to say so).



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    « Reply #29 on: May 27, 2022, 01:17:48 PM »
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  • 1) I think that’s an excellent idea! Shows the modernists that he means business and is a blistering threat to their hegemony which would make people take him more seriously. Another SSPX would make the Vatican apostates lose sleep and scramble like headless chickens. :cowboy:

    Or he'd get attacked and slandered as +Thuc did for ordaining unqualified men to the priesthood.  He'd probably have to set up his own seminary.  But then he'd really get it from Traditionalists who already believe he's an Opus Dei operative setting up a controlled opposition.  So he really can't win.