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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2022, 02:07:20 PM »
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  • It's almost entirely about the Great Rest including a section entitled:

    "Who are the main architects – the leaders, masterminds, influencers, and organizations – of the Great Reset?"

    And the Great Reset is just about the United States?  Trump is neither a leader or mastermind in the Great Reset.  At best he was a petty low-level operative.  He didn't mention Biden either.  I think you have some obsession with Trump.  I agree that Trump was a con-artist and an agent, and I was saying this well before the 2020 election, and even the 2016 election, (and was very much attacked for suggesting it).


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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #46 on: May 27, 2022, 02:10:12 PM »
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  • So far as I know, all sedes accept the validity of Vigano’s priestly ordination (which was according to the old rite).

    His episcopal consecration remains an asterisk in the minds of many, yet even despite that, most sedes do not dispute the doctrine of Vigano (which is what matters most).

    And that raises another point.  If he were to start ordaining priests, a lot of people would have issues with the validity of those ordinatioins ... myself included.  But that doesn't mean that his "doctrine" is wrong.


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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #47 on: May 27, 2022, 02:12:24 PM »
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  • And the Great Reset is just about the United States?  Trump is neither a leader or mastermind in the Great Reset.  At best he was a petty low-level operative.
    This was only one of many examples of V leaving out T in his recent letters.

    In any case, Trump was definitely the biggest "influencer" (from Vigano's list of terms in the header)  worldwide in terms of establishing the pandemic farce and getting the death shots sent worldwide.

    Without Trump there would be no Great Reset.  They especially needed him to influence the conservatives.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #48 on: May 27, 2022, 02:12:51 PM »
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  • But why would we want yet another rival to SSPX?  That's when he would be accused of setting up a rival controlled opposition group to draw Traditionalists away from the TRUE Traditional movements.  He can't win in this Tradscape here.


    Hmm…interesting point.

    Maybe +Vigano ought to join the SSPX and be conditionally re-consecrated. :popcorn:
    “How can the ignorant teach others? How can the licentious make others modest? And how can the impure make others pure? If anyone hates peace, how can he make others peaceable ? Or if anyone has soiled his hands with baseness, how can he cleanse the impurities of another? We read also that if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch [Matt. 15:14]. But first correct yourselves, in order that, free from blame , you may be able to correct those who are subject to you.”

    Pope Urban II

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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #49 on: May 27, 2022, 02:13:06 PM »
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  • Meant to say “bishop” instead of “priest.” Corrected original post. :fryingpan:

    As for doctrine? Nahhhh. Sedes aren’t fans.

    https://novusordowatch.org/2021/02/confused-vigano-bizarre-theology/

    NovusOrdoWatch doesn't like anyone who isn't their clone.  But don't equate "sedes" with the dogmatic SV position of NO watch.  Father Jenkins and a number of SVs have praised +Vigano.


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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #50 on: May 27, 2022, 02:14:44 PM »
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  • Do the people on this forum also have Vigano's position?

    Do you guys lament the thousands of deaths and millions of injuries caused by Trump but still support him?

    What are you babbling about?  +Vigano has been much more outspoken against the jab than the vast majority of Trad clergy.

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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #51 on: May 27, 2022, 02:19:12 PM »
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  • You would have to pm me your email address.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #52 on: May 27, 2022, 02:21:33 PM »
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  • Yes, I believe he misinterpreted Trump's role in this entire thing.  But so have lots of Trad Catholics.  And, you know what?, that's called a mistake ... but one fact and of interpretation, not of principle or philosphy.

    He philosophically and in principle opposed the jab more than the vast majority of the Trad clergy, many of who think it's OK to get the jab.  He was very outspoken about it.  Unlike the vast majority of Trad clergy, he tied the jab directly to the genocidal NWO agent, whereas most Trads are afraid to appear kooky in speaking about such "conspiracy theories" (Bishop Williamson being a refreshing nearly-sole exception).


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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #53 on: May 27, 2022, 02:26:14 PM »
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  • What are you babbling about?  +Vigano has been much more outspoken against the jab than the vast majority of Trad clergy.
    I don't have an obsession with Trump so much as an obsession with the truth.


    You left out Vigano's quote to the Trump supporters at the rally last month:

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    Let us have no illusions: these servants of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr who have managed to occupy the highest positions of national governments and international organizations are our enemies: enemies of the good and enemies of God. They do not care how many of us will have to die from the effects of the vaccine
    --Vigano to Trump supporters April 2, 2022

    Can you explain why Vigano calls these people who do not care how many will die from the effects of the vaccine "enemies of the good and enemies of God" but still support Trump?

    Why doesn't he call Trump "an enemy of the good and an enemy of God"?

    It appears he is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #54 on: May 27, 2022, 02:30:40 PM »
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  • You left out Vigano's quote to the Trump supporters at the rally last month:
    --Vigano to Trump supporters April 2, 2022

    I left out nothing.  I just said he didn't mention it at all in this interview, and there's no reason to derail this into yet another "everything I hate about +Vigano" thread.

    Did you vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020?  I didn't ... because I suspected him right out of the gate.  I know large number of Traditional Catholics who did vote for him.  I don't somehow consider them to not be good Catholics, just mistaken in their interpretation and prudential judgment regarding who Trump really is.

    And what exactly was wrong with that statement he made to Trump supporters?  It's a strong anti-jab statement.

    I already explained that I believe he was mistaken in giving Trump too much credit.  Perhaps he believed that Trump himself was bamboozled into believing that the jab was good, and that Trump didn't promote it with evil intentions.  Even though Trump was not what he pretended to be, I could see that being the case.  Neither I nor you have any proof to the contrary.  And +Vigano knows that many Trump supporters were supporting him with the best of intentions.  Why shouldn't he address them?  Trump regularly gets boos from his own crowds when he tries to promote the jab.

    You're really out of control.  Despite your denials, you have been obsessed with the jab for the past year and you're also obsessed with Trump.

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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #55 on: May 27, 2022, 02:36:14 PM »
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  • I left out nothing.  
    You edited out the quote when you replied to me.

    It's okay, I reposted the quote in #53 and asked the question again.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #56 on: May 27, 2022, 02:37:05 PM »
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  • You edited out the quote when you replied to me.

    It's okay, I reposted the quote in #53 and asked the question again.

    I edited nothing out.  Quotes don't get carried over in replies.  Now you're making false accusations.  I referred to the "quote above" because I realized the reader could just move their eyes up to the previous post.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with his quote.

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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #57 on: May 27, 2022, 02:43:31 PM »
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  • Many of +Vigano’s critics, myself included, don’t deny that he has done good in bringing Traditionalism to people who otherwise would not have been prone to considering it.

    BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

    We expect more of a man who has seen the light of truth and who has the influence/power he has. :incense:

    +Vigano fans just beware. You may be setting yourselves up for massive disappointments with this man. 
    “How can the ignorant teach others? How can the licentious make others modest? And how can the impure make others pure? If anyone hates peace, how can he make others peaceable ? Or if anyone has soiled his hands with baseness, how can he cleanse the impurities of another? We read also that if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch [Matt. 15:14]. But first correct yourselves, in order that, free from blame , you may be able to correct those who are subject to you.”

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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #58 on: May 27, 2022, 03:09:20 PM »
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  • Hmm…interesting point.

    Maybe +Vigano ought to join the SSPX and be conditionally re-consecrated. :popcorn:
    Pagliarani would be against it, seeing the GIRM chapels, them filtering priests who aren't looking at reconciling with Rome etc I doubt they would work with Vigano. Remember that Pagliarani and Frankie are on good terms... More likely +Williamson or +Z or +Thuc line would give conditional consecration. Them controlling the SSPX puts Vigano in a tight spot.
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    Re: +Vigano Publishes Unpublished 11/21/21 Interview
    « Reply #59 on: May 27, 2022, 03:11:40 PM »
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  • NovusOrdoWatch doesn't like anyone who isn't their clone.  But don't equate "sedes" with the dogmatic SV position of NO watch.  Father Jenkins and a number of SVs have praised +Vigano.
    More integral to the NOW position is dogmatic loose EENS/implicit faith etc... Which is the biggest head scratcher in common with all dogmatic SV. This position is also not held by also SV... Even though all SV podcasts, YT etc shill against strict EENS like myself and many other SV hold.
    Regard all of my posts as unfounded slander, heresy, theologically specious etc
    I accept Church teaching on Implicit Baptism of Desire.
    Francis is Pope.
    NO is a good Mass.
    Not an ironic sig.