Author Topic: Very Strange Cult-Like "Catholic" Group (Read 2440 times)

littlerose · « **on:** January 02, 2010, 06:42:08 PM »

This is a link to a Google page of links concerning a cult masqurading as a Catholic church. There is absoloutely no connection between this group and any actual Catholic church, Ukrainian or Roman, even the most weird N-O group you can think of. A friend of mine joined this cult about a year or so before he died and in his last months we could not even have a rational conversation with him.

I happened to look this up because of a conversation outside this forum, and when I saw how much this group's activity and funding is increasing from the days my friend was in it (@1999 ) I thought I should sound a bit of an alarm. No reasonably-informed Catholic would fall for this type of church, but they may be well-funded enough to be slicker than they were when my unfortunately vulnerable friend fell for them.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pennsylvania+ukrainian+church+dan+edmunds&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi

If you visit the links and do not understand why I am concerned, I'm not really sure I want to talk about it. It's too personal. Just pray about it and consult with a Catholic you trust.

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 02, 2010, 08:59:03 PM »

http://www.liberalcatholics.org/history.html

Yuck! Well, at least this bunch of liberals had the decency to officially break away from the Church. I pray for the souls lost to its heresies and sins but the heretics inside the Church worry me more.

I notice they do love to ordain lots of priests, though! They seem to have separate orders for deacons, pastors, priests, and clerics. What the difference is between those four categories is anybody's guess.

littlerose · « **Reply #2 on:** January 02, 2010, 09:09:17 PM »

They are getting into schools and such as representatives of the mainstream faiths. Sending their clerics into N-O parishes too, I think. Local municipal bodies are both incompetent and prohibited from pointing out the false nature of this kind of group, and the psychological side of what they are doing is highly abusive to the unsuspecting people who accept their "counseling".

They have been involved with setting up "rehabilitation" centers in upstate New York inside the gov't supported battered-woman shelters, and they are expanding that kind of rehabilitation (which is very abusive to the women in many cases) to men.

Actually, I would call a group like this "Cathaloid", like "humanoid" to distinguish it from all the various Catholic subgroups.

I knew they had gotten access to money, because a fund that my late friend was setting up for a research library that was to be his legacy ended up under their control and completely perverted from his original intentions, and then they received federal grants, but now I see that they are getting a lot bolder.

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #3 on:** January 02, 2010, 11:12:15 PM »

Quote from: littlerose

They are getting into schools and such as representatives of the mainstream faiths.

Hey, can we do that too? Send representatives of trad groups into schools? I can just imagine Bp. Williamson over at Thomas Jefferson High some morning:

"Hello, tenth graders. This is Bishop Richard Williamson of the...Society of Saint...Pee-us, Pie-us...the Tenth. He's here today to talk to you about gender-based discrimination in the workplace."

Quote from: littlerose

Sending their clerics into N-O parishes too, I think.

This has already been done. Read up on Saint Nicholas-du-Chardonnet in Paris.

Quote from: littlerose

They have been involved with setting up "rehabilitation" centers in upstate New York inside the gov't supported battered-woman shelters, and they are expanding that kind of rehabilitation (which is very abusive to the women in many cases) to men.

We could put the Daughters of Mary in charge of rehabilitating feminists. The Dimond brothers could handle counseling victims of homophobic hate crimes.

I'm starting to like this!

Quote from: littlerose

Actually, I would call a group like this "Cathaloid", like "humanoid" to distinguish it from all the various Catholic subgroups.

I knew they had gotten access to money, because a fund that my late friend was setting up for a research library that was to be his legacy ended up under their control and completely perverted from his original intentions, and then they received federal grants, but now I see that they are getting a lot bolder.

Federal grants? I'm liking this more and more!

littlerose · « **Reply #4 on:** January 02, 2010, 11:33:44 PM »

Thank you! It is ridiculous, isn't it? :pop:

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2010, 12:08:29 AM »

Quote from: littlerose

Thank you! It is ridiculous, isn't it? :pop:

It looks like Voltaire got his wish:

I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it.

Voltaire

QuisUtDeus · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2010, 09:35:44 PM »

I've seen this before - they are basically Old Catholics.

littlerose · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2010, 09:42:11 PM »

Quote from: QuisUtDeus

I've seen this before - they are basically Old Catholics.

What do you mean?

Belloc · « **Reply #8 on:** January 07, 2010, 08:33:53 AM »

Quote from: littlerose

Quote from: QuisUtDeus
I've seen this before - they are basically Old Catholics.

What do you mean?

Old Catholics broke from Rome mainly, not excuslively, over the papal infallibility question of 1870 and have gone downhil since then.

They have tended more toward Sola Fide and sep, sola scriptura.also, very liberal on women priests and social issues such as abortion......Classicom here at CI may be one, though debatable.....

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** January 07, 2010, 08:34:42 AM »

Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus

http://www.liberalcatholics.org/history.html

Yuck! Well, at least this bunch of liberals had the decency to officially break away from the Church. I pray for the souls lost to its heresies and sins but the heretics inside the Church worry me more.

I notice they do love to ordain lots of priests, though! They seem to have separate orders for deacons, pastors, priests, and clerics. What the difference is between those four categories is anybody's guess.

true, better than to stay within and corrupt within

littlerose · « **Reply #10 on:** January 07, 2010, 09:29:53 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: littlerose
Quote from: QuisUtDeus
I've seen this before - they are basically Old Catholics.

What do you mean?

Old Catholics broke from Rome mainly, not excuslively, over the papal infallibility question of 1870 and have gone downhil since then.

They have tended more toward Sola Fide and sep, sola scriptura.also, very liberal on women priests and social issues such as abortion......Classicom here at CI may be one, though debatable.....

I don't think this group has an old history. The people involved with it have been in a number of fake religious fronts associated with government battered-womens programs that have begun to expand into exploited men, hand-in-hand with the gαy marriage movement. I can see where the same group of political-religious fraudsters may have hooke dup with an old cult, though. They did that with the Unitarians, which have become a very dangerous genocidal group. The Unitarians actually have their roots with Emerson and Thoreau of the same time period, but I've seen their pamphlets in the 1990's claiming to go back over 200 years, into the 1700's.

Belloc · « **Reply #11 on:** January 07, 2010, 09:41:36 AM »

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11235b.htm

"The sect organised in German-speaking countries to combat the dogma of Papal Infallibility.

Filled with ideas of ecclesiastical Liberalism and rejecting the Christian spirit of submission to the teachings of the Church, nearly 1400 Germans issued, in September, 1870, a declaration in which they repudiated the dogma of Infallibility "as an innovation contrary to the traditional faith of the Church".

also, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church

littlerose · « **Reply #12 on:** January 07, 2010, 09:56:21 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11235b.htm

"The sect organised in German-speaking countries to combat the dogma of Papal Infallibility.

Filled with ideas of ecclesiastical Liberalism and rejecting the Christian spirit of submission to the teachings of the Church, nearly 1400 Germans issued, in September, 1870, a declaration in which they repudiated the dogma of Infallibility "as an innovation contrary to the traditional faith of the Church".

also, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church

You are talking about the intellectual heritage of such groups, whereas I am talking about the actual existing organization and its activities as a legal entity and as a collection of individuals today, who are engaged in the physical crimes of fraud and who are involved with the actual human beings alive today who are members of Catholic families and who turn up dead after involvment with them.

I'm really not into counting angels on pins. I have too long a list of dead or severely damaged actual human beings to much care about all that, Belloc, with all due respect.

This is about reality. It is not academic.

If these people are involved in a parish, there are deaths attributable to them. Real deaths.

Belloc · « **Reply #13 on:** January 07, 2010, 12:25:22 PM »

um....ok......so, there is some sort of secret society you refer to killing people or soemthing? I was refering to actual epople, buildinds,and organizations that are following teachings coming out of Holland and Germany, etc noted in the links

not sure we are on the same wave length or book on this one, let alone page.......

Elizabeth · « **Reply #14 on:** January 07, 2010, 12:35:15 PM »

Littlerose, I couldn't find my way around the link in your OP well enough to understand the gravity of what your subject.

Could you maybe help point the way so I can understand better?

EDIT: oops, I just read you are not too keen on elaborating, sorry!

Author Topic: Very Strange Cult-Like &quot;Catholic&quot; Group (Read 2440 times)

Author Topic: Very Strange Cult-Like "Catholic" Group (Read 2440 times)