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Offline Yeti

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Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2021, 08:16:41 PM »
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  • I really don't have nearly as pessimistic a view as you do, Matthew. You were only able to get to the conclusions you draw in this thread by assuming the worst possible outcome of every single feature of this situation, even the ones that we don't even know are true. If you do that in any situation, you'll end up thinking something pretty bad is going to happen. But reality is usually a mixture of good and bad.
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    For example, you assume a 100% sterilization rate for women who are injected. I don't believe such a thing will happen. I do agree that Bill Gates wants to reduce the global population, but that doesn't even remotely equate to a vaccine that sterilizes everyone who gets it.
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    A lot of the other ideas associated with the vaccine, such as cytokine storms, impaired immune systems, vulnerability to other coronaviruses, and so on, seem plausible when taken individually, but at this point are little more than speculation. Most of the evidence of people getting sick or dying or having other problems from the vaccine is anecdotal because it's very hard to say for sure in any individual case whether the vaccine was the cause.
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    As far as unvaxxed getting reactions, I'm pretty skeptical of that. Just because someone gets a bloody nose doesn't mean a whole lot in itself. I'm sure with time this situation will become more clear. In any case, I'm highly skeptical of the idea that you can pick up a condition like this just by walking past someone in a grocery store. I'm not a doctor, but I'm just not going to believe it unless I see truly impressive proof. It sounds as crazy to me as saying you can catch the virus itself by walking past someone in a grocery store, another idea that was debunked a long time ago.
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    It's waaaay too early in this situation to say anything for sure. I think it's a much better idea to sit tight and wait and see what happens.

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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #16 on: April 27, 2021, 08:22:10 PM »
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  • My main point, which I forgot to mention, is that I am almost certain the goal here is not to kill a major chunk of the human race within the next few years. I think such an outcome would in fact be extremely harmful to the ruling elite, as it would destabilize society to the point of creating a Mad Max world, or a world like you see in your typical zombie movie. Sorry, Matthew, you don't strike me as a movie buff type of guy,  :laugh1: but if you want to know what I'm talking about just watch a standard zombie flick like I am Legend or Dawn of the Dead and tell me how much power Bill Gates or any, um, ethnic group would have in a society where there is that level of chaos.


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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #17 on: April 27, 2021, 09:21:28 PM »
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  • I really don't have nearly as pessimistic a view as you do, Matthew. You were only able to get to the conclusions you draw in this thread by assuming the worst possible outcome of every single feature of this situation, even the ones that we don't even know are true. If you do that in any situation, you'll end up thinking something pretty bad is going to happen. But reality is usually a mixture of good and bad.
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    For example, you assume a 100% sterilization rate for women who are injected. I don't believe such a thing will happen. I do agree that вιℓℓ gαтeѕ wants to reduce the global population, but that doesn't even remotely equate to a ναccιnє that sterilizes everyone who gets it.
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    A lot of the other ideas associated with the ναccιnє, such as cytokine storms, impaired immune systems, vulnerability to other cσɾσnαvιɾυses, and so on, seem plausible when taken individually, but at this point are little more than speculation. Most of the evidence of people getting sick or dying or having other problems from the ναccιnє is anecdotal because it's very hard to say for sure in any individual case whether the ναccιnє was the cause.
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    As far as unvaxxed getting reactions, I'm pretty skeptical of that. Just because someone gets a bloody nose doesn't mean a whole lot in itself. I'm sure with time this situation will become more clear. In any case, I'm highly skeptical of the idea that you can pick up a condition like this just by walking past someone in a grocery store. I'm not a doctor, but I'm just not going to believe it unless I see truly impressive proof. It sounds as crazy to me as saying you can catch the virus itself by walking past someone in a grocery store, another idea that was debunked a long time ago.
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    It's waaaay too early in this situation to say anything for sure. I think it's a much better idea to sit tight and wait and see what happens.
    As easy as it is to cave into the fear-mongering associated with this information, I agree with you on the matter. In particular, the concerns about having a reaction through exposure to those "vaxxed" appear to have their basis in close, consistent contact rather than just brushing by someone at the store. I recall the panel that was shared in a different thread, and how these contagious reactions pertained to those living together rather than common strangers. Furthermore, given the size of the population that has taken these shots is extremely large and the adverse reactions (thus far) are comparatively few, just like Covid over the past year. There's also the consideration that the spike proteins (provided they are not in fact the "folded proteins" known as prions) will most likely be combated by our immune systems, leaving a negligible impact on the unvaxxed population.
    Does that mean I don't think there's a larger game at play here? Of course not. Most certainly there's an evil end to all of this, but what that end looks like is difficult to tell. I pray that things will not be so severe as they are speculated to be.
    I was feeling pretty down yesterday after watching the latest Computing Forever video on the totalitarian aims of this situation, but, I remembered that all things happen only by God's Will. It's easy to look at the evil and forget about the Eternal Goodness of God. Satan wants you to fixate on the darkness and despair. Try not to forget that God will steer this in a direction according to His Will, ultimately to that of the Good. So just pray, pray, pray for final perseverance and trust in God's Will. And, if you die, well, hope for salvific grace and accept it as the end of your story.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #18 on: April 27, 2021, 09:39:14 PM »
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  •  In any case, I'm highly skeptical of the idea that you can pick up a condition like this just by walking past someone in a grocery store. 
    ... the concerns about having a reaction through exposure to those "vaxxed" appear to have their basis in close, consistent contact rather than just brushing by someone at the store. ... these contagious reactions pertained to those living together rather than common strangers. 
    This.  No one (that I've seen) is saying you pick it up by walking past someone at a grocery story.  

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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #19 on: April 27, 2021, 09:48:57 PM »
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  • I've also been seeing examples of nursing mothers noticing effects in their babies.  
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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #20 on: April 27, 2021, 10:23:03 PM »
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  • I've also been seeing examples of nursing mothers noticing effects in their babies.  
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    p.s. I have no way to verify this particular post^, but I've seen many other testimonials of nursing mothers noticing reactions in their babies.  

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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #21 on: April 28, 2021, 06:20:37 AM »
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  • My main point, which I forgot to mention, is that I am almost certain the goal here is not to kill a major chunk of the human race within the next few years. I think such an outcome would in fact be extremely harmful to the ruling elite, as it would destabilize society to the point of creating a Mad Max world, or a world like you see in your typical zombie movie. Sorry, Matthew, you don't strike me as a movie buff type of guy,  :laugh1: but if you want to know what I'm talking about just watch a standard zombie flick like I am Legend or Dawn of the Dead and tell me how much power вιℓℓ gαтeѕ or any, um, ethnic group would have in a society where there is that level of chaos.
    Agreed.  This isn't about murder.  It's about control through fear.  And I would add that control through fear can happen on both sides.  

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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #22 on: April 28, 2021, 06:48:46 AM »
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  • Can someone point me toward a succinct article presenting the theory that the vaxed can infect the unvaxed?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #23 on: April 28, 2021, 06:59:45 AM »
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  • Can someone point me toward a succinct article presenting the theory that the vaxed can infect the unvaxed?
    Disregard.  I found this posted by Incred in another thread:

    Can ναccιnαted people make the unναccιnαted sick? Watch Dr Palevsky explain
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    Dr. Lawrence Palevsky spoke in an interview about the mechanics of spike protein shedding: “When studies are done on injections that are thought to be ναccιnє, we sometimes need 7, 10, or even 15 years to really understand what the injection does to the body, and what it does to those around us.
    “And so, there's automatically this assumption that when the authorities say these injections are safe, that we actually have adequate data and adequate observational data to understand whether or not these injections are safe.
    “The bottom line is, we don't have enough data to understand safety.
    “The other thing is that we are made to believe in the public eye that this is a ναccιnє against a viral infection. So the entire world is thinking that this is a ναccιnє to protect us against SARS Cov2 viral infection. And when you have a ναccιnє that's supposed to be effective as a ναccιnє, you're supposed to have antibody immunity against the SARS Cov2 virus.  And that's never been evaluated with these injections as to whether or not we have antibody immunity to a SARS Cov2 virus.
    “Instead, what we have is the genetic information of what is believed to be a piece of the SARS Cov2 virus and that piece is called the ‘spike protein’, and the technology that's being used is a technology to make this injection that's never been used in ναccιnє science or methodology before with any kind of success.
    “So we are essentially taking the genetic instructions that make a synthetic spike protein believed to be a part of the SARS Cov2 virus, and we're giving those sets of instructions into the body and asking the human body to take the genetic instructions of that spike protein and make more of it in our own machinery.
    “And so, this messenger RNA technology, which is what it’s called, is delivering the genetic instruction for us to make the spike protein. And the problem is that no study has ever been done to test its safety, but also no study is been done to test whether we turn on the production of that spike protein and ever turn it off.
    “And so, spike protein in the naturally occurring SARS CoV2 viral infection has been shown to cause brain inflammation and neurological damage, heart attacks, lung disease, liver disease, kidney disease, and interacting with the male and female reproductive systems, along with affecting blood binding to oxygen and blood clotting.
    “And so, we know that the natural disease of SARS CoV2, because of the effects of the spike protein, is making people sick with all of these kinds of systemic illnesses. And so now we're taking that spike protein genetic instructions, and we're asking our bodies to make more of that spike protein. And so by making more of that spike protein, we are essentially creating the symptoms and the illness of CÖVÌD-19 by giving people the potential to have brain damage and neurological damage, lung disease, liver disease, kidney disease, heart attacks, strokes, blood clotting issues, and impairments to male and female reproductive systems.
    “And there's no study to show whether when the body starts manufacturing the synthetic spike protein - whether or not we ever turn off the production of that spike protein.
    “And so that spike protein is known to be pretty damaging to the human tissue. And so, we know that spike protein has been found in saliva, we know that it's been found in the anus, and we have to ask the question: Is it found in the exhalation molecules that come out of our breath? Is it found in the skin when we sweat and we smell the spike proteins come out? And if so, does that impact other people with whom we come in contact?
    “And so, what we've been seeing is a massive increase in those who've been given the injection of blood clotting problems, miscarriages, stillborns, infertility, stroke, heart attack, autoimmune diseases, and death, just to name a few, and that's in those who been injected.  So certainly there should be a suspicion when you see people around the injected people who have not been injected getting the typical symptoms of CÖVÌD in addition to miscarriages, bleeding, irregular menstrual cycles; it should raise a very, very strong suspicion.
    “The spike protein is, we are told, just specific to the SARS CoV2 virus, so that when your body makes the synthetic spike protein, you're supposed to produce an antibody that’s supposed to attack the spike protein.
    “Now, we don't know if that spike protein production keeps going and going and going, and that would make the antibody production keep going and going and going as well. And the thing is, that we are finding that the genetic instructions of the spike protein are not specific just to the SARS CoV2 virus. The genetic instructions of the spike protein are also similar to, or the same as, many proteins that exist in the body itself.
    “And so therefore, if we're going to produce an antibody against the genetic instructions of the spike protein, those antibodies are going to find every bit of protein tissue around the body that matches the genetic instructions of the spike protein, and that antibody to the spike protein genetic instructions is going to produce an attack on any of the proteins and tissues in the body that are similar or the same to the genetic instructions of the spike protein. So that's why you'll see autoimmune diseases."
    Dr. Christiane Northrup -"What's actually in the CÖVÌD ναccιnє?":

    “But, many months ago there was an article that came out in the European literature where there were several proteins in the male and female reproductive system that were found to have similar genetic instructions to the genetic instructions of the spike protein.
    “The scientist raised the concern that if we inject the genetic instructions of the spike protein into the body, and cause the body to make an antibody against that genetic instruction of the spike protein, we will also cause the body to make an antibody against the male and female reproductive systems, because those proteins in the male and female reproductive systems had similar instruction to the spike protein.
    “And he raised a very strong concern about it, because his concern was that it would basically immobilize and take out sperm from being able to fertilize an egg, and that it would also impair the egg itself, and that it would also impair the placenta.
    “And so, the experts around the world did the following: When they heard this scientific concern, the experts around the world said, ‘Oh, but the amount of genetic instructions of the proteins in the male and female reproductive systems are so small in similarity to the genetic instructions of the spike protein, that it really shouldn't make a difference.’ And ladies and gentlemen, that’s how we got the science that said there should be no concerns about infertility or miscarriages in men and women respectively.  There were no studies, there was just an opinion that said the genetic instructions of the proteins on the male and female reproductive systems were such small similarities to the spike protein that it shouldn't matter. And therefore, it didn't matter.
    “And so, what we're seeing in women who get the injection is a very large, hundreds of percent, increase in miscarriages and stillborns of their baby, all being reported to ναccιnє Adverse Event Reporting System.
    “And now what we're seeing is women who are around others who've been injected, are having the same experience, which has to raise the suspicion that not only does that messenger RNA make the body produce spike protein on an ongoing basis, but that spike protein is probably shedding out of the breath, the saliva, the skin, and who knows where else in the body it’s being shed from.
    “Just a last point before you ask me the next question: That’s only based on what we think we know is in these injections. But Dr. Tenpenny and I have discussed this on numerous occasions, that there is potential for other messenger RNA proteins being injected into the body that would cause the body to make all sorts of proteins that we may not be aware of.”


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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #24 on: April 28, 2021, 07:10:36 AM »
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  • One possible hole in the theory is that if people could actually be made sick from being in proximity to the vaxed, then the Gates’, Faucis’ and TPTB would also be vulnerable to infection, given the numbers worldwide who have received the jab.

    Unless this shedding issue, if real, was an unintended consequence.
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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #25 on: April 28, 2021, 08:03:09 AM »
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  • Ann Barnhardt posted a Pfizer docuмent where they admitted that people can be exposed by inhalation or skin contact.

    https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/04/28/humanicide-pfizer-admits-in-its-own-mrna-jab-trial-docuмentation-that-non-jabbed-people-can-be-environmentally-exposed-to-the-jabs-spike-proteins-by-inhalation-or-skin-contact/



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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #26 on: April 28, 2021, 08:21:37 AM »
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  • Ann Barnhardt posted a pfιzєr docuмent where they admitted that people can be exposed by inhalation or skin contact.

    https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/04/28/humanicide-pfιzєr-admits-in-its-own-mrna-jab-trial-docuмentation-that-non-jabbed-people-can-be-environmentally-exposed-to-the-jabs-spike-proteins-by-inhalation-or-skin-contact/

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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #27 on: April 28, 2021, 08:48:43 AM »
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  • My main point, which I forgot to mention, is that I am almost certain the goal here is not to kill a major chunk of the human race within the next few years. I think such an outcome would in fact be extremely harmful to the ruling elite, as it would destabilize society to the point of creating a Mad Max world, or a world like you see in your typical zombie movie. Sorry, Matthew, you don't strike me as a movie buff type of guy,  :laugh1: but if you want to know what I'm talking about just watch a standard zombie flick like I am Legend or Dawn of the Dead and tell me how much power вιℓℓ gαтeѕ or any, um, ethnic group would have in a society where there is that level of chaos.
    Agreed. The aim is for greater control over us, but killing off billions or making almost every woman infertile etc. would cause absolute chaos, pandemonium, lynchings in the streets... there'd be no order or control whatsoever.

    Whatever happens will be much more subtle and gradual IMO.

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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #28 on: April 28, 2021, 09:02:33 AM »
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  • Time alone will tell, of course, but I see no reason they wouldn't want to accelerate the killing, even to a pace that strikes the average person as far too quick.

    Gates publicly stated 15% population reduction.  Do you think the comments would have slipped past as many people if he had said 90% population reduction?  The Georgia Guidestones clearly mention reducing population to 500 million.  That is where the Gates' of the world want things to go and it is not like they have centuries remaining themselves. The past year-plus makes it crystal clear TPTB are getting anxious and are willing to take enormous risks to get what they want, which is NOT complete control over BILLIONS, but MILLIONS. 

    They have so much food, ammo, etc., stockpiled in remote locations, why not just kill off the rabble en masse?  

    I do not claim to know exactly how they will proceed.  Any such predictions would be a fool's errand.  However, absolutely nothing would surprise me at this point.  They want that VAST majority of the human race DEAD -- now, not 100 years from now. 
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    Re: Vax shedding - it can't be THAT bad
    « Reply #29 on: April 28, 2021, 09:11:16 AM »
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  • Time alone will tell, of course, but I see no reason they wouldn't want to accelerate the killing, even to a pace that strikes the average person as far too quick.

    Gates publicly stated 15% population reduction.  Do you think the comments would have slipped past as many people if he had said 90% population reduction?  The Georgia Guidestones clearly mention reducing population to 500 million.  That is where the Gates' of the world want things to go and it is not like they have centuries remaining themselves. The past year-plus makes it crystal clear TPTB are getting anxious and are willing to take enormous risks to get what they want, which is NOT complete control over BILLIONS, but MILLIONS.

    They have so much food, ammo, etc., stockpiled in remote locations, why not just kill off the rabble en masse?  

    I do not claim to know exactly how they will proceed.  Any such predictions would be a fool's errand.  However, absolutely nothing would surprise me at this point.  They want that VAST majority of the human race DEAD -- now, not 100 years from now.
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    Well said.
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    Not to mention, these people are demonically-controlled, so they do not think like sane, "good" people.