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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Vatican II promotes Sodomy
« on: May 23, 2016, 12:12:07 PM »
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  • "gαy Catholic leaders have expressed their pleasure following reports that Pope Francis, in an unprecedented move, met last week with a transgender Spaniard at the Vatican.
    While the Vatican has yet to confirm the meeting, it has been widely reported in the press, and there has been no Vatican denial.

    "I think that his meeting with the transgender man was a gesture not only of pastoral care, but of genuine interest in learning about the transgender experience from a firsthand source," Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, told NCR in an email.

    Said New Ways Ministry's co-founder Sr. Jeannine Gramick: "Jorge Mario Bergoglio's devotion to Mary, Untier of Knots, found expression in Pope Francis' embrace of the transgender Spaniard."

    "This was a worldwide hug that has reverberated to transgender people across the globe," she told NCR, referring to reports that Francis hugged Diego Neria Lejarraga, a 48-year-old transgender man, when the two met at the Vatican.

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    The meeting, which took place Jan. 24, was first reported Monday by Spanish daily Hoy. According Hoy, Lejarraga wrote to the pope last year, saying he had been "marginalized" by church officials in the city of Plasencia in the Estremadura region. A practicing Catholic, he said local clergy had rebuffed him and said one parish priest had called him "the devil's daughter."

    It was then Lejarraga reportedly wrote to Francis, hoping he could explain to the pope transgender issues and even possibly receive a papal blessing.

    "After hearing him on many occasions, I felt that he would listen to me," Lejarraga told Hoy.

    Hoy reported Francis phoned Lejarraga twice in December, and during the second phone call, invited him to come visit at the Vatican. A date was arranged for the meeting.

    According to Hoy, Francis told Lejarraga in an initial phone call that God loves all his children "as they are." He went on: "You are a son of God and the Church loves you and accepts you as you are."

    The message of hope reportedly bowled over Lejarraga. He was even more surprised when Francis invited him to come to the Vatican for a personal meeting and offered to pay for it.

    Lejarraga reportedly attended the meeting with his fiancée. During the meeting, Lejarraga asked Francis if, after his gender reassignment, there was "a place somewhere in the house of God for him." He told Hoy Francis responded by embracing him.

    DeBernardo said while he was pleased with the development, he was also cautious.

    "At this time, I wouldn't use the word 'acceptance' to describe the Vatican's stance toward the transgender community. I think 'dialogue' would be a better word," he said.

    "The Vatican's reluctance to verify the meeting is another indication of why I don't think their attitude can yet be called 'acceptance,' " DeBernardo said.

    AN LGBT PILGRIMAGE!

    Gramick recently wrote to Francis, asking him to meet with her and a group of LGBT Catholics when they visit Rome in February.

    In a Dec. 23 letter to the pope, Gramick wrote that she would be leading a pilgrimage for 50 LGBT Catholics and their families and friends.

    "They are so very heartened by your words of mercy and welcome," she wrote in the letter, which was published on the News Ways Ministry blog. "They believe, as you say, that receiving the Body and Blood of Christ is spiritual nourishment that we need to grow in our love-relationship with God, not a prize to be awarded those who are worthy."

    She asked Francis to meet with her group before or after his general audience Feb. 17.

    "Would it be possible for you to meet personally with these faith-filled Catholics who have felt too long excluded from their Church?" she wrote.

    [Thomas C. Fox is NCR publisher. His email address is tfox@ncronline.org. "
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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Vatican II promotes Sodomy
    « Reply #1 on: May 23, 2016, 12:15:50 PM »
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  • By Patrick Rucker and Alistair Bell

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Pope Francis met with a gαy couple at the Vatican Embassy in Washington during the pontiff's visit to the United States last week in a quiet gesture to the gαy and lesbian community.

    The meeting between Francis, an Argentine gαy man and his long-term partner came to light as the Vatican tried to tamp down controversy about a separate meeting the pope held with well-known American gαy marriage opponent Kim Davis.

    The pontiff met on Sept. 23 with Yayo Grassi, a U.S-based Argentine caterer, Grassi's male partner of 19 years, Iwan Bagus and three other people for 15 minutes, Grassi told Reuters.

    Grassi, 67, has known the pope since Francis, 78, taught him literature and psychology at a high school in Argentina in the 1960s and has stayed in touch.

    "What I can say is that he met with me knowing that I am gαy, and we had an extraordinary, very moving conversation," Grassi said.

    The Vatican confirmed the meeting. A statement said Grassi, who had met the pope in the past, asked to present his mother and several friends to the pontiff in Washington.

    "As noted in the past, the pope, as pastor, has maintained many personal relationships with people in a spirit of kindness, welcome and dialogue," spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said.

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    Both Grassi and his partner posted a video of the encounter on their Facebook pages.

    The video shows Francis and his former student warmly embracing and chatting in Spanish in an ornate room in the embassy.

    Grassi then introduces the pope one-by-one to three women and his partner, Bagus. Francis appears to know Bagus, and they shake hands warmly and talk about having met earlier in Rome.

    At the end of their conversation, Francis embraces both men and kisses them on the cheek.

    Grassi said that in 2010 he had emailed Francis, then archbishop of Buenos Aires, about gαy issues, and his former teacher replied to say he would not tolerate homophobia.

    The gαy couple met the pope in Rome in 2013 shortly after Francis became pontiff, Grassi said. He described last week's encounter as "two friends seeing each other after a while."

    Their meeting happened a day before Francis met Davis, a Kentucky county clerk who went to jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

    In a bid to contain the controversy about the meeting with Davis, the Vatican said on Friday that the meeting with her should not be seen as an endorsement of her views.

    The progressive group Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good welcomed the news that Francis had met the gαy couple.

    "Pope Francis never ceases to surprise us. The news that Francis met with a gαy couple should put to rest any notion that Pope Francis is held down by the narrow ideological divisions that plague the United States. He is first and foremost a pastor who is willing to encounter and engage anyone," the group's executive director, Christopher Hale, said in a statement.

    (Additional reporting by Philip Pullella in Rome; Editing by Kevin Drawbaugh and Jonathan Oatis)

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    Vatican II promotes Sodomy
    « Reply #2 on: May 25, 2016, 12:13:52 PM »
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  • Nowhere whatsoever in the 2 articles you posted in this topic you created with the sensational headline: "Vatican II promotes Sodomy", is "Vatican II" even mentioned.  Yet you have the, um, audacity to claim by that headline that the notorious council "promotes Sodomy".  That council can be rationally criticized for a multitude of reasons, but neither article provides any evidence that the council actually "promotes" that mortal sin.

    Please spare me from bogus sensationalist headlines on topics that you create.  It seems highly likely to be damaging to your personal reputation as a member of CathInfo, regardless of what the Web site's "Reputation" score, as  coldly computed over your more-than-5,000 postings, might lead you to believe.  It's possible that this is much of the reason why your topic has received no responses--excepting this critical reply--since you created it, fully 2 days ago (May 23, 1:12 pm).

    This reply is offered in charity as the personal opinion of a fellow member who, despite only 6½% as many postings on CathInfo, has developed Web sites under their own domain-names since 1998; but of course, this reply might not reflect the opinion of the moderator & owner(s) of CathInfo.

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    Vatican II promotes Sodomy
    « Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 04:12:24 PM »
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  • Vatican, and skip the II, promotes sodomy.  Is that a true statement?  Yes.  And is the Dioceses/Vatican committed to safe enviroment?  Yes, they move their clergy around to continue their promotions.

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    Vatican II promotes Sodomy
    « Reply #4 on: May 25, 2016, 04:20:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: songbird
    Vatican, and skip the II, promotes sodomy.  Is that a true statement?  Yes.  And is the Dioceses/Vatican committed to safe environment?  Yes, they move their clergy around to continue their promotions.


    Yes.  This would be a true statement.  But I agree with AlligatorDicax.  The unvarnished TRUTH, as much as many people don't want to hear it, is much more effective than embellishments that really don't make sense.  The title should have simply skipped the "II" and it would have been right on the money.  As it is, many people will ignore the post simply because they see that the actual posts aren't about "Vatican II".