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Offline Jaynek

Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2018, 12:35:34 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on September 22, 2018, 04:52:18 PM

I agree with all your conclusions(that marriage needs to be more permanent, divorces are rigged against men, these horrendous divorces cause these murders), but your lack of a condemnation of the man is I think what made it sound MGTOW-ish to Matto. He's still guilty for his evil actions no matter how hard his life was.

Matthew clearly did condemn the man . Matthew referred to the murder as a "horrible choice" and stated that the man's reasoning was not "morally legitimate". 

I saw no suggestion that this man was not guilty. The point was that flaws in society probably contributed to this horrible crime. 

This crime was not an isolated incident that occurred simply because one man happened to be evil or crazy. It fits a recurring pattern .  Analyzing the problems with the system does not excuse the man. It may, however, help to prevent future murders. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2018, 02:33:35 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on September 25, 2018, 12:35:34 PM
Matthew clearly did condemn the man . Matthew referred to the murder as a "horrible choice" and stated that the man's reasoning was not "morally legitimate".

I don't know.  "Horrible choice" and "not morally legitimate" are pretty soft and understated.  You could say the same things about someone who shoplifted some jewelry from a store.  I would call this a demonic crime.
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Offline Jaynek

Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2018, 03:23:23 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 25, 2018, 02:33:35 PM
I don't know.  "Horrible choice" and "not morally legitimate" are pretty soft and understated.  You could say the same things about someone who shoplifted some jewelry from a store.  I would call this a demonic crime.
Some people tend to speak/write with less emotionalism than others, preferring a logical, analytical approach.  I am like this myself.  We are often accused of not caring about a matter or not understanding its moral implications.  This, however, is not so.  

I suspect that Matthew also is one of these people.  He typically writes intellectually rather than ranting emotionally.  This may come across as "soft and understated" but this is misleading.  I am reasonably certain that he understands just how wrong this murder was.  This would not prevent him from rationally analyzing it in its larger societal context.
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Offline JezusDeKoning

Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2018, 06:15:40 PM »
It is also against the Fifth Commandment. That is all we need.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2018, 07:06:22 PM »
"Bad choice" is a typical modern euphemism used to diminish the responsibility of the perpetrator and separate the subject from the act.  When public figures are caught committing adultery, for instance, they'll often issue a public apology in terms of regretting their poor choice ... instead of lamenting their SIN and the harm they caused their spouse ... as if we're speaking about a poor selection of breakfast cereal from among the various brands.
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