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Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
« on: September 22, 2018, 09:06:35 AM »
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    Yearbook photos of (l.) Shelby Hunn, 13, and her 15-year-old brother Harrision Hunn.  (Fox 59 Indianapolis )
    An Indiana teen and his 13-year-old sister were sleeping when they were shot dead by their father who then killed himself.
    Deputies found the bodies Friday morning in rural home in Boone County, Fox 59 Indianapolis reported.
    “I spoke to the family and spoke to the mother who is devastated obviously, but she did not see this happening at all,” Boone County Mike Nielson said, according to the station.
    Harrison Hunn, 15, and Shelby Hunn, 13, were found in their bedrooms, the station reported.
    Michael Hunn, 50, shared custody of the two children with his ex-wife Stephanie Reece, according to the station.
    School officials called Reece Friday to ask why Harrison and Shelby weren't in school, the sheriff said.
    She called deputies after she went to the house and no one answered the door.
    Court records show there was a petition filed for contempt last month and a court date was scheduled for next week, the station reported.
    The petition accused Hunn of failing to pay child support, the Indianapolis Star reported.

    Reece was the girls' tennis coach at her son’s high school, the paper reported.
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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #1 on: September 22, 2018, 09:10:09 AM »
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  • The man was obviously desperate. He probably lost his job, and couldn't find work. This impending court date charging him with "contempt" for failing to pay child support certainly had something to do with this man's horrible choice.

    The system is rigged against men. What happens if a guy can't find work? How is he supposed to pay child support?

    He was probably scared he was going to lose his kids, have them turned against him by his ex-wife, etc.  This kind of thinking motivates a lot of murders. "If I can't have him/her/them then no one will." with a bit of "I'll kill ____ before ___ can be corrupted" thrown in. Such motivation is not morally legitimate, but it is very human thinking which reappears all the time in various crime stories.

    Note that he was divorced. This is not normal or natural. Marriages need to be a lot more permanent than they are today. Divorce is way too easy. Men and women divorce their spouse just because they're bored, want to give up when the slightest difficulties emerge, and/or move on to the next new, exciting thing (person).
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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #2 on: September 22, 2018, 09:45:09 AM »
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  • The man was obviously desperate. He probably lost his job, and couldn't find work. This impending court date charging him with "contempt" for failing to pay child support certainly had something to do with this man's horrible choice.
    . . .
    The system is rigged against men. What happens if a guy can't find work? How is he supposed to pay child support?

    He was probably scared he was going to lose his kids, have them turned against him by his ex-wife, etc.  This kind of thinking motivates a lot of murders.
    . . .
    Note that he was divorced. This is not normal or natural. Marriages need to be a lot more permanent than they are today. Divorce is way too easy. Men and women divorce their spouse just because they're bored, want to give up when the slightest difficulties emerge, and/or move on to the next new, exciting thing (person).
    This post makes you sound like a MGTOW.
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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #3 on: September 22, 2018, 09:54:57 AM »
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  • This post makes you sound like a MGTOW.
    Sounded reasonable to me .  It's pretty clear  that the system is unfair to men. 
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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #4 on: September 22, 2018, 10:03:12 AM »
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  • Sounded reasonable to me .  It's pretty clear  that the system is unfair to men.
    I agree and think those points are reasonable as well.
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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #6 on: September 22, 2018, 10:53:00 AM »
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  • At the end of the day, you can't fix crazy. And clearly someone who kills their own kids is not right.
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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #7 on: September 22, 2018, 03:18:58 PM »
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  • At the end of the day, you can't fix crazy. And clearly someone who kills their own kids is not right.
    It happens thousands of times a day.


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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #8 on: September 22, 2018, 04:19:44 PM »
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    What a tragedy for everyone concerned, especially the children. What did they do wrong? Horrible. 
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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #9 on: September 22, 2018, 04:42:05 PM »
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  • Well, you wouldn't normally get charged with contempt if you fail to pay because you lost your job ... unless you quit and/or refused to look for another one.

    I'm sorry, but I do NOT understand this, Matthew.  Assuming that I had no moral inhibitions against it, if I were desperate, I might kill myself ... but never my children.  I'm guessing that he had gotten so bitter and hateful against his wife that he did this to make her suffer.

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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #10 on: September 22, 2018, 04:52:18 PM »
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  • I think you're being way too sympathetic to the man here. While obviously the system is rigged against men and his suffering was likely a large part of his mental instability, the fact that he killed his kids is still horrifying and inexcusable no matter the circumstances. 

    I agree with all your conclusions(that marriage needs to be more permanent, divorces are rigged against men, these horrendous divorces cause these murders), but your lack of a condemnation of the man is I think what made it sound MGTOW-ish to Matto. He's still guilty for his evil actions no matter how hard his life was. 


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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #11 on: September 22, 2018, 05:05:07 PM »
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  • A lot of assumptions in favor of the murderer here.

    What about the women who get a divorce because they're in fear for their lives and their childrens' and the courts still give joint custody, THEN, the husband abducts, and like in this case, murders his family.

    This scenario pops up in the news all too frequently.
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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #12 on: September 22, 2018, 05:32:07 PM »
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  • The system is rigged against men. What happens if a guy can't find work? How is he supposed to pay child support?

    If a woman is unable to financially support her child, she receives public housing.

    If a man is unable to financially provide child support, he is sent to prison.

    A woman who doesn't want to take care of her kid - "Pro-Choice"

    A man who doesn't want to take care of his kid - Deadbeat Dad

    Female privilege is pervasive in modern thought, law and services.

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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #13 on: September 25, 2018, 07:55:34 AM »
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  • This man was a drunk who chose to murder his kids. 

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    Re: Two sleeping Indiana teens shot dead by father who kills himself
    « Reply #14 on: September 25, 2018, 07:57:25 AM »
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  • This man was a drunk who chose to murder his kids.
    And...?

     

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