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Truth about the Orlando shooting
« on: June 14, 2016, 03:35:15 PM »
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  • Here is a 15 minute excerpt from a podcast (X22 Report) which shines a lot of light on the REALITY of this shooting. Very worth your time.

    And you can listen to this on your phone (etc.) while doing other activities -- there are few excuses NOT to listen to this, unless you're simply not interested in the truth.

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    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2016, 04:17:44 PM »
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  • Very good analysis.  x22 says it is definitely a fαℓѕє fℓαg, and most likely a hoax.  And, I agree, but I think it certainly is enough of a hoax to be classified as a hoax.
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Truth about the Orlando shooting
    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2016, 06:18:42 PM »
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  • Orlando Shooting: Still No Evidence

    Paul Craig Roberts

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/14/orlando-shooting-still-no-evidence/

    In response to my challenge ( http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/13/orlando-shooting-paul-craig-roberts/ ) readers report that they have found no evidence of bodies or blood. One person reports that a TV station posted names of some victims, which is the way the absence of Sandy Hook bodies was handled.

    One person who said he is a veteran said the AR-15 can have a 30-round clip. That would mean four reloadings in order to shoot 103 people. The veteran said that the rifle can be reloaded in 5 seconds: one clip is dropped out, another put in, and the bolt released. But 5 seconds is not fast enough to prevent being rushed. Remember, sprinters can cover 100 yards—300 feet—in less than 10 seconds. Ordinary people who are not couch potatoes can cover 300 feet in 20 seconds. That means they can cover 150 feet in 10 seconds or 75 feet in 5 seconds or 15 feet in 1 second.. In the crowded club, people were likely no more than 10 feet from the shooter, 20 feet at the most. Moreover, if there is only one shooter, he can be rushed in an arc that he cannot possibly cover. It is difficult to imagine that there were no veterans in the club, no people aware that guns run out of bullets and have to be reloaded and that so many people would miss four opportunities to disarm the shooter. It is hard to imagine that none of the hundreds of people present were capable of presence of mind. Bottles could be thrown at him, glasses, chairs. And no one did anything?

    Mainly what readers have reported is evidence that the Orlando shooting is a hoax. One reader sent me a video in which a skeptic uses a RT video to show that the same three allegedly injured people, who so far are the only victims we have been shown, are being carried toward the night club, not away from it.

    Another person sent a video that shows the man with the red shoes who is being carried is put down after the camera walk-by.

    Here are readers reporting their inability to find any real evidence. Somehow 103 people were shot and there is no visible evidence.

    Dear Mr. Roberts, in response to your request for evidence regarding the Orlando shooting, I held my nose and forced myself to watch about an hour and a half of fox and cnn. No blood whatsoever. Nothing real about any of the videos or stupid interviews with alleged victims. I knew we were being lied to the first night when Fox News trotted out Bernard Kerik. We know that traitor lied to us about 911. Why would we believe anything that evil bastard said about this event. Thanks for such a great article. You really nailed it. Dutch

    I was watching one of the networks at a local eatery. My working assumption on these mass shootings is that they are fake, either entirely so, as you mildly suggest in your latest article, or perpetrated by government informants. The cameo profiles of victims began appearing on TV last night, as my wife and I sat at a bar-restaurant eating chicken wings. Who believes this stuff? Pepe Escobar and others are also articulating skepticism on their Facebook pages. Is this a distraction from some important stuff going down at Bilderberg?

    Thank you for your great work. I agree with your take on Orlando,San Bernardino,etc. Do you think there is a legal way to expose the people that perform these fictitious acts (I.e perhaps class action lawsuits against the crisis actors, etc).? Thanks again for all your efforts. Husni

    A fat, crying woman under shock yells out a detailed story to the cameras, without stopping. It seems she practiced the script for a week or so. Such poor acting just causes pity. Someone should have said : ” Madame, please slow down. Fetch your script and come back for a second take, OK ?”

    It took 3 hours for the police to proceed with an assault. 53 wounded
    people lay officially inside the establishment, crying for help. Are there recordings of these desperate yells ? Fifty three folks !

    I searched Orlando on You Tube (easy, fast, no sound, and no blood). Thank God, actually.

    Was wondering what your take is on this. Veterans Today has it as most likely another fαℓѕє fℓαg. Like you pointed out, many groups to benefit from this. The DEMS are pushing hard for gun control, Israel is ecstatic of more hatred towards Muslims, the DOD loves more war money, and the beat goes on. I was looking for ambulances and paramedics, but saw none. Then the BOZO, known as the President here, gets on TV asap and pushes gun control, never mentions anything else. He was cold and remorseless, and walked away fast. Meanwhile, the Congress and President and Homeland Insecurity are bringing in crateloads of questionable immigrants, some handled by religious groups no less (raking in the dough).

    I have not seen any evidence, but I am a bit ’over-the-hill'(62 yrs old) when it comes to comprehensive internet searches. However, I asked my computer savvy 24 yr-old son, and he has not found any videos of the carnage inside nor out. He did suggest to me that if anyone did capture anything on their cell phone, etc., that the police/authorities would immediately confiscate it. I don’t know though… Please let us peons know if you find anything remotely credible. thank you PCR

    I appreciate readers bringing to my attention more evidence that suggests we are witnessing another drill, like the announced drill at the Boston Marathon, turned into a fake terrorist attack. That indeed might be what the Orlando shooting was. However, remember, our purpose is not to disprove the official story, but to find evidence in its behalf.

    So far all we have are official statements and testimony by what seem to be crisis actors. 103 people cannot be shot without there being real evidence.
    It has to be somewhere.

    My cautionary statement was that we should not believe massive terrorist attacks without evidence, especially when we know for an absolute fact that the government lied to us about Saddam Hussein, Assad, and Libya. These lies have kept us at work destroying Muslim countries for 15 years, with a consequence that Europe is being overrun with refugees from our wars based on nothing but the government’s lies.

    It is not an unreasonable conclusion that a government that will lie to us about Iraq, Libya, Syria, the economic condition of the country and that will lie to the 9/11 Commission might also lie to us about Boston, Sandy Hook, San Bernandino, and Orlando.

    My point is simply that we are given stories based not on visible evidence but on claims. These kind of events have to leave massive evidence, but somehow it is not visible.

    To recap, we are trying to see if we can find real evidence that supports the official story. We are not trying to disprove the official story but to prove it.

    If we cannot prove the story, we are entitled to disbelieve it.

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West, How America Was Lost, and The Neoconservative Threat to World Order.
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    Truth about the Orlando shooting
    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2016, 06:41:27 PM »
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  • How easily our emotions get manipulated through these events. It is the perfect way to control the thinking of the masses. The question is: who controls the narrative?

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    « Reply #4 on: June 14, 2016, 07:21:02 PM »
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  • obscurus - Well, we can control the narrative in a sense.  But, I believe they do this to change the talking points of this election.  Trump will do good if he exploits the story for his political ends.   And, there are many ways to do that.   I like how he turned this event into an attack on hillary, by saying that she supports the refugees, and is no friend of the gαys.  He is using it as an opportunity to attack hillary.  And, you have to be able to find a way to do that.  But, I think he does well to limit it as well.  Because, this election needs to be about jobs and the economy.  I think trump knows that though.  We will be alright.  
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    Truth about the Orlando shooting
    « Reply #5 on: June 15, 2016, 12:54:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: Paul Craig Roberts
    Orlando Shooting: Still No Evidence

    One person who said he is a veteran said the AR-15 can have a 30-round clip. That would mean four reloadings in order to shoot 103 people... In the crowded club, people were likely no more than 10 feet from the shooter, 20 feet at the most.


    In those conditions, unless I am severely mistaken, rifle bullets would go through people, so he could easily hit multiple people with 1 bullet.

    Quote from: Paul Craig Roberts

    Moreover, if there is only one shooter, he can be rushed in an arc that he cannot possibly cover. It is difficult to imagine that there were no veterans in the club, no people aware that guns run out of bullets and have to be reloaded and that so many people would miss four opportunities to disarm the shooter. It is hard to imagine that none of the hundreds of people present were capable of presence of mind. Bottles could be thrown at him, glasses, chairs. And no one did anything?


    Because people partying in a dark, noisy, crowded room are likely to have this kind of presence of mind? Please... This is a ridiculous argument.

    The lack of videos is odd, but not itself completely convincing on its own. People running for their lives and hiding aren't likely to be taking video of the situation. There is one clip of people dancing and you hear the initial gunshots going off, for whatever that's worth.

    Everything else is weak evidence at best. I understand a certain amount of skepticism when it comes to what the media is reporting, but really... Calling this "proof" is ridiculous.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 15, 2016, 05:46:25 AM »
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  • Paul does not point out or is ignorant that gαys in these places are on massive amounts drugs which cloud the mind a great deal and would it make it easier for the shooter.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 16, 2016, 11:48:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: Paul Craig Roberts (June 14, 2016) via RomanCatholic1953 (Jun 14, 2016, 7:18 pm)
    Orlando Shooting: Still No Evidence
    [....]  I have not seen any evidence, but I am a bit 'over-the-hill' (62 yrs old) when it comes to comprehensive internet searches.

    [Expletives deleted] ageist stereotype!

    Quote from: Paul Craig Roberts (June 14, 2016) via RomanCatholic1953 (Jun 14, 2016, 7:18 pm)
    However, I asked my computer savvy 24 yr-old son, and he has not found any videos of the carnage inside nor out.

    Stow your ageist stereotypes!  And [expletives deleted] again!

    There are "computer savvy" people who are older today--alive & kicking--than your obnoxiously stereotyping self.  At least some of them should be expected to recognize the logical fallacy on which you predicated much of your blog entry: The logical correction is that failure to find certain evidence does not prove its nonexistence
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    Quote from: Paul Craig Roberts (June 14, 2016) via RomanCatholic1953 (Jun 14, 2016, 7:18 pm)
    He did suggest to me that if anyone did capture anything on their cell phone, etc., that the police/authorities would immediately confiscate it.  I don't know though... 

    I'll agree with Roberts' last sentence above, because he's being illogical: The most effective time for "police/authorities" to get their hands on the private property of individuals exiting the scene is before anyone can verify whether or not docuмentary still or video images were successfully recorded.

    Both news-talk-radio stations in Orlando had continuous coverage
    • , including interviews of people who'd been present in the nightclub when the Islamic-gαy terrorist entered.  One said that the police confiscated her cell phone--and altho' I can't provide a quote--she also said (or otherwise gave the impression) that  that police or sheriff's deputies confiscated cell-phones & smart-phones from everyone who'd been inside, whenever they exited the scene.  As "evidence", of course.  Those would be illegal warrantless seizures, which would violate U.S. Constitutional freedoms that're guaranteed by the Fourth and Fifth Amendments:

      Quote from: Bert P. Krages II: Atty. at Law (Jan, 2016)
      [....] They Have No Right to Review Your Images or Take Your Gear
      Law enforcement officers do not have the [  right  authority] to view your images absent a warrant.  They may have the right to seize a camera or cell phone when making an arrest but still must obtain a warrant to search the contents.  Likewise, they do not have authority to make you delete images. [....]

      I think that it would be a rare law enforcement officer, being accustomed to exercising authority, who couldn't make such a demand sound legally plausible.  So I have no doubt that law-enforcement officers have coldly calculated--if not been trained--that emotionally stunned individuals, especially when surrounded by a large assembly of law-enforcement officers, will meekly comply with such demands from the latter.

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      Note *: Internet searches can be used to show the presence of video,but never to show their absence.  By analogy to the quote that's famous among the truly "computer savvy" (regardless of whether a "24 yr-old" is aware of it): "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence!" 
      --Edsger W. Dijkstra (1969): "Structured programming" (EWD-268).  Technological University Eindhoven (ETH), The Netherlands.

      Note +: B.P.K. II: Atty. at Law (originally 2003): "The Photographer's Right: Your Rights and Remedies When Stopped or Confronted for Photography".   <http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm>.  (Original article ©2003 predated ubiquitous smart-phones.  I assume that "when making an arrest" refers only to cameras or cell phones in the possession of the arrestee being allowed to be legally seized. --A.D.)

      Note #: 1 of those 2 stations preëmpted all its regular programming for at least 3 days; as of noon Thurs., it's back to preëmpting scheduled programming.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 16, 2016, 08:06:47 PM »
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  • This recording is 15:45 and cuts off mid-sentence: "...they carried him all the way to the crime scene, which again makes no sense whatsoever. Why would you do that? Because the whole thing was staged. With..."

    Where is the rest of the recording?

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    Here is a 15 minute excerpt from a podcast (X22 Report) which shines a lot of light on the REALITY of this shooting. Very worth your time.

    And you can listen to this on your phone (etc.) while doing other activities -- there are few excuses NOT to listen to this, unless you're simply not interested in the truth.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 16, 2016, 08:41:33 PM »
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  • apart from the false analysis of sprinting, which does not take the need to start from zero into account, so the numbers are off on that account, it is way off  on another account because the numbers are based on running on a track with spikes and aero body suits. Also, the average person could not sprint 100 yards in 20 seconds, at least not in the outfit you'd have on in a club and wearing dancing shoes, and on a slippery surface.
    By far the greatest problem with this hoax theory is that all those who lost loved ones would need to be in on the fαℓѕє fℓαg too, since they are lying about losing their friends when they say they have friends and relatives who died. All the people who once dealt in any way with those deceased, such as doctors or dentists, would need to be in on the fαℓѕє fℓαg too since when they say they lost a patient they are lying. None of the undertakers buried anyone, so they are in on it. The hospital staff who proclaimed people to be dead are all in on the hoax. Likewise, the 53 wounded are faking it since it is hard to believe that they all got gunshot wounds in the same place as those who died ,but in reality no one was actually fatally wounded, just shot to the point of critical injury. That shooter must have been extraordinary, that he could shoot 53 people but in such a way as not to kill any. So, an extraordinary number of people must've been involved in fabricating this hoax, from eye witness, to medical staff, to law enforcement, but most of all, to the moms and dads of those who are deceased, because they never really lost their loved ones. Where are they, you ask? Well they must be in a special witness protection program where they remain for the rest of their lives.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 17, 2016, 07:32:27 AM »
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  • Has anyone noticed that since the FBI has been implicated in incompetent handling in this case, no one is talking about the FBI's investigation of Clinton's illegal use of a private email server to handle classified government business?