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« on: July 04, 2010, 05:33:06 PM »
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  • Three Interesting Numbers
    By Nick Kollerstrom – 30th June 2010

    I used to work at University College, London, getting by as a science historian.

    Having written papers on various suitably obscure subjects - from Newton’s lunar theory to the discovery of Neptune - three years ago I made what in retrospect looks like a rather large mistake. I began to take an interest in the published chemical evidence relating to the ‘gas chambers’ at Auschwitz/ Birkenau.

    Maybe it was foolish to imagine that hard scientific data was of relevance in this case. It strangely turned out that I was engaging with a predominantly religious issue, and I simply became damned as a heretic.

    There is no disagreement that cyanide gas chambers existed at many WW2 cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs. These were delousing rooms built to kill the bugs that threatened the health of the camp inmates. They were designed to keep the prisoners healthy so that they could carry out their work effectively. Their purpose was hygienic.

    We can nowadays agree that many tons of cyanide (in granular form as the insecticide Zyklon) was used during the WW2 for hygienic delousing technology. Before DDT was invented around 1945, Zyklon was the normal delousing method. Special gas chambers made by a firm called Degesch, 10m3 in volume, were installed in all the German labour-camps in 1942, the year when typhus hit the camps. That epidemic is spread by bugs, so all clothing and bedding had to go repeatedly into the delousing chambers. It was a procedure designed to be safe for regular use.

    These chambers still exist at four WW2 labour camp ruins, Madjanek, Dachau, Auschwitz and Birkenau, and can be easily identified because their walls are mostly turquoise blue. There is iron in the walls of the old chambers at Auschwitz and Birkenau and this combined permanently with the cyanide then used, the brick walls being very porous to the cyanide gas. These walls are blue on the inside and on the outside, showing that the cyanide soaked right through them. The blue in the walls is ferrocyanide – just like the colour in a tube of turquoise oil paint.

    In contrast to these real gas chambers, the walls of the alleged human gas chambers have no such blue colouring. This simple and obvious fact was one of the first causes of skepticism for some of those who visited the camps.

    My contribution to ‘ɧơƖơcαųst Studies’ related to this issue: I spent a while integrating the Leuchter and Rudolf reports – the two big chemical surveys of the walls - and ascertaining what they found to be the control-background levels of residual cyanide. These are levels in samples where no-one is suggesting that mass cyanide gassing took place. Putting together the combined measurable data of these two chemical surveys (42 samples) I got the following three groups:

    Delousing chambers 5000 ppm* (15 samples) *parts per million

    Washrooms, Kitchens etc (‘Controls’) 2 ppm (11 samples)

    Alleged human gas chambers 3 ppm (16 samples)

    The ‘official’ explanation given for these figures is that ‘bugs are harder to kill than humans.’ No wonder the cyanide levels in the delousing chambers are higher, they had to kill all those little bugs... well, have a look at those figures. There is no significant difference between the control, background levels of cyanide (2 ppm) and those for the alleged human gas chambers (3ppm). Absolutely none. The fact that there are measurable levels for cyanide in ordinary rooms at Auschwitz is probably because of occasional fumigation to kill bugs living in cracks and crevices in the walls etc.

    Whereas there is a two-thousandfold difference between the ‘control’ measurements and the delousing chambers – where the Zyklon was indisputably used hour after hour, day after day. Here the cyanide content, at an average value of around 5000 ppm, is about half of one percent of the samples taken.

    The modern books that continue to roll off the presses about Auschwitz and ‘The ɧơƖơcαųst’ advocate a view that some Zyklon went to the delousing chambers, whereas some was ‘diverted’ for ghastly human use. It is important to note here that in 1946 at Nuremberg, no such dual use was posited. All knowledge of the normal, hygienic function was blotted out, and it was assumed that any can of Zyklon was for the ‘human gassing.’ Operators of the delousing chambers did not get to testify.

    Over the years there has appeared a growing difference of opinion on the ‘human gas chambers’ issue... In fact it’s almost hard to believe that such a vast, dizzying difference of opinion over a single issue can exist in the world today. It remains that all decent citizens believe that millions of people, mainly Jҽωs, were gassed in huge, cyanide gas chambers, over 1942-45, as the ultimate industrialised mass killing in human history. On the other hand, there are a few down-and-out, ethically-damned loners who have the nerve to affirm that such mass human gas chambers have never existed on Planet Earth…..

    Nowhere!

    Never!

    ….and, apart from that, had they existed they would be, in practice, totally unworkable. But that’s another story.

    Over the last few years I have noticed that one side of this argument proceeds by trying to debate the evidence while the other uses every time, without exception, name-calling, abuse and ethical damnation.

    Understandably it is a subject which many people find unbearable to discuss.….but on even this ‘sacred’ ground the earth is moving. Since startling revelations about 9/11 have been exposed there are increasingly massed ranks of ordinary but shocked and awakened people, now terminally cynical about the capacity of the powerful to lie and deceive in the service of their own interests.

    Today, I believe we should formulate the unbearable Big Questions as:

    Were the dєαdlу Nazi gas chambers of WW2 used to kill Jҽωs…..or bugs?

    Did they work to take lives……or save them?

    Did they have people ..... or clothing, put into them?

    (Warning: a ‘wrong’ answer here can land you in jail, in ten European nations.)

    I’m intrigued by historical questions with a chemical twist to them. Admittedly this one lost me half of my friends, got me thrown out of my College, made me virtually unemployable, and closed the doors of publishers and public venues. However, I cannot regret publishing what I believe to be true about this profoundly important issue. I hold the view that, if the truth about such an important matter is to remain out of bounds and beyond debate, then there is really no point in getting out of bed in the morning.

    The truth has to matter.

    The truth about the ‘human gas chambers’ particularly matters because much of modern history (and modern calamities) is founded on it.

    As a vision of ghastly horror it has become the Most Holy Mystery in this spiritually bankrupt culture of ours. It has a transcendental function in expressing Ultimate Evil. It even seems to be morphing into a new religion, which has replaced the suffering of Christ by the ‘suffering of The Jҽωs.’ The word ‘ɧơƖơcαųst’ actually means a fiery sacrifice.

    This has to be the original WMD hoax - but, more than that, the total absence of any physical or chemical evidence for it, is precisely what has lead to ‘the ɧơƖơcαųst’ taking on its present numinous, transcendental nature.

    So, are we discussing science or religion? I say that a scientific, rational approach to the subject became possible for the first time in 2003, when two published, chemical investigations appeared in the English language, and were concordant. But, I noticed that my fellow countrymen behaved as if the issue was a theological question about which the expression of doubt was a most serious sin.

    Personally I prefer living in the real world and that has to mean discerning the difference between what is real and illusory. It will be a Copernican ʀɛʋօʟutιօn when the truth on this issue becomes widely understood. The lid cannot be kept on such lies indefinitely. I’d say that Mother Nature played the Tɾυmρ card: slowly, after the war, the walls of those delousing chambers turned blue, as the ferrocyanide complex developed.

    I believe that no happy future can lie in store for humanity, so long as we continue to believe in this nightmare-hallucination. Belief in it is a badge of enslavement, it is the supreme sacred Myth of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

    Plato in his Republic said every civilisation needed a founding myth – but, he added, that myth did not have to be true. Karl Popper the philosopher of science was shocked by this and disagreed – it had to be true, he averred. I know who I want to believe. The consequences of founding society’s culture and relationships upon false narratives is provably disastrous. We get wars based on lies, global tyranny by båñkêrs, debased, demoralised populations and now quite possibly World War Three.

    ENDNOTE

    There are five different levels of non-existence of the mass-human-cyanide- gas-chambers, which need to be known and understood by every educated citizen:

    No trace of any 3rd Reich documentation has yet been found for any intention or plan of extermination of Jҽωs. If you believe it all happened, you have to believe that the Nazis recorded nothing of their massive diabolical plan. Furthermore, that no single low or medium-level functionary who was caught up in the evil cօռspιʀαcʏ committed a reflective or protesting word in writing to any family member or friend about their involvement in a process that must have been, at the very least, troubling.

    No trace of any cyanide-gassed bodies have ever been found.

    Present remains display nothing resembling a credible human gas chamber, not at any German WW2 labour-camp. Yes, there is the theatrical ‘gas chamber’ that thirty million have trooped through, built by Stalin in 1946. Compulsory school visits there still get their tingle of terror – but those escorting the youngsters are guilty of not informing them, that wall samples from this building have failed to show any significant elevation in cyanide above normal, background levels.

    Not one single death was recorded as being due to cyanide poisoning in any German labour-camp. Very detailed and extensive records exist at the Bad-Arolsen archive (in North Germany), and its manager recently disclosed this fact.
    No photo exists from an ‘extermination camp’ of any huge pile of stripped-naked mixed-gender corpses (as would have been created by such industrialised mass-killing), nor is there any photo of anything resembling a human mass-gassing chamber.

    Modern accounts of such ‘mechanised killings’ by cyanide originate from Rudolf Hoss, Kommandant of the Auschwitz camp, who gave the story at Nuremberg in 1946 - after torture by a British army team for three days and three nights. His story had one or two thousand people marching into a washroom, or what looked like a washroom, then dying within twenty minutes. Re-tellings have to follow this story, because he’s the source! Thank you Fred Leuchter, and thank you Germar Rudolf. Only using their work can we drive a stake through the heart of this nightmare-horror.

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    My revisionist essays: http://www.codoh.com/author/kollerstrom.html, esp. ‘Leuchter twenty years on’ for cyanide levels here cited. The author (as ‘astro3’) has what now appears as the definitive chemical-cyanide-Auschwitz thread, www.codoh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111&sid=c224c25ecaf54969b1466e2968679b6a which has received over fifty thousand visits. I’m happy to reply to any queries of a chemical nature on this topic.
    Rudolf Report: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/

    David Cole video:

    Paul Grubach, www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_action/Impossibility_of_Auschwitz.html
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    « Reply #1 on: August 13, 2010, 06:50:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: antiBears
    posting this obvious hate speech


    Be careful, antiBears, when you accuse others of hate, which is sinful. Is it sinful to believe that less than 6 million Jҽωs died in the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs? Not at all. The only historical events that one must believe in under pain of sin are those relating to the faith, such as the incarnation. There is no hate involved in disbelieving 6 million Jҽωs died in gas chambers. Even though many people who believe this way do indeed hate Jҽωs, there is no hate, and no sin, in the belief itself.

    Anyway, I don't know how many Jҽωs died in the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs though I do find it suspicious that in many countries they throw people in prison for saying that Hitler killed only a million Jҽωs while saying that Stalin killed only a million Ukrainians is perfectly okay.
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    « Reply #2 on: August 14, 2010, 04:03:05 PM »
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  • antiBears,

    First, welcome to the site.  Second, you will find that there are many of us who do not buy the party line/propaganda about the so-called "Shoah" -- as the evidence does not support the claims.

    You are welcome to discuss the topic if you like, but please spare us the use of various bogus, charged buzz-words.  Such does not help things in any way.  The entire official "history" is full of holes and outright lies.

    Again, welcome.  Godspeed :)
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    « Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 08:08:24 PM »
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  • I second that, Gladius.

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    Re:  'gas vans"

    The German vehicles ran on diesel.  There is no disagreement on that.  Diesel engines are used underground where miners are working -- the level of CO in diesel exhaust, except under unusual conditions, is not toxic.

    Thank you, antiBears, for your honest consideration.

       

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    « Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 08:53:37 PM »
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  • The Germans are far too intelligent and efficient to use the absurd methods attributed to them.

    FWIW, Elie Wiesel, like much that is put forth by the ɧơƖơcαųst industry, is a total fɾαυd.  "There's no business like Shoah business!"
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    « Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 08:55:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: antiBears
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     Jasenovac was an extermination camp where mostly ethnic Serbs were killed.
    Matthew, why don't you read the testamonies of the Nazi guards who were tried and found guilty after WW2, vs. posting this obvious hate speech and antiHistory garbage?  Posting it with no explaination as to why you posted it comes off as you supporting it.


    Why is it that we're supposed to buy these, shall we say, long stretches of the imagination, but not pay the least bit of attention to documented truth?

    Remember Kaytn?  http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/313393/Katyn-Massacre


    Or what about American internment camps for Japanese-Americans?  http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/index.html

    If you want to be concerned about those in cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, why not be concerned about the Catholic priests, who lived and died there?

    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachauscrapbook/KZDachau/DachauLife3.html

    Did you ever watch the movie The Ninth Day, based on the real life of story of Father Jean Bernard, an anti-Nazi priest from Luxembourg?   Have you read, Priestblock 25487:  A Memoir of Dachau, by Fr. Jean Bernard?

    Sorry if I don't believe six million is an accurate number.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 09:50:19 PM »
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  • Why has http://ɧơƖơcαųstdenialvideos.com/ not been posted yet?  The site contains hours of the most compelling evidence anyone needs to see.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 09:12:04 AM »
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  • We only have to see the amount of mєdια and government control that exists today to know the extent of misinformation that is put out "in the national interest". And we are in relative peace time. Imagine the collossal propaganda programmes in operation during a world war and the final twisting of events to justify the glorified outcome of the victors. We still see it today when old soldiers are wheeled out with their chests bearing rows of rusty medals and minds full of dramatic exaggerations. For them the war is still going on and we are expected to help perpetuate the mythology. There may be however signs of a thaw in this information blackout.  Some journalists now dare to talk of a "Churchill myth".


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    « Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 03:58:00 PM »
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  • I had the impulse to blurt out, when a lady in her 80s referred to her cohort as the 'great generation', that it was really a dumb generation.

    But the subsequent  generations haven't been a whole lot better.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 03:59:24 PM »
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  • Thanks for the link, CM!

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    « Reply #10 on: August 16, 2010, 10:14:22 PM »
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  • Today, The US Government refuses to acknowledged that
    German Americans, and Italian Americans were also interred
    in camps during WW2.  Also, the Aleutian Americans from
    Alaska were also interred.
    The only ones that The US Government will acknowledge
    that were interred, and paid compensation to are the
    Japanese Americans.
    There is a good recent Internet Broadcast on the
    Voice of Reason, Carol Yaeger in the Heretics Hour.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 09:57:02 PM »
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  • I've read a bit about this issue, but not deeply. I find it difficult to believe that these ɧơƖơcαųst "deniers" would open themselves up to the level of ostracism (and downright persecution in Europe) they have if they didn't have something important and true to say. They don't gain any worldly benefit from making their claims. This in itself is cause for me to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 18, 2010, 08:36:56 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
     "There's no business like Shoah business!"


    I know death is not funny, normally, but this is a  :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh2:

    hey, he is a fɾαυd and in this world, sometimes, one has to either laugh or cry....
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    « Reply #13 on: August 18, 2010, 08:41:42 AM »
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  • Quote from: antiBears
    What?  Matthew, Why did you post this?  Delousing Chambers? Confusing labor camps with extermination camps in a research paper is a grave schollarly error.  Why even post this paper?  Nick makes it clear that his paper is based solely on two reports and his own point of view.  

    "and you will know them by their fruits"

    "the devil prowls about like a lion... seeking soley to destroy"




    if these chambers were to delouse, then why did they make everyone remove their shoes and jewlery?



    Gasing as a way to kill as used often by the Nazis:

    large vans holding up to 100 people were used since November 1941, yet the gas did not come from a cylinder but directly from the engine's exhaust. These vans were introduced to the Chełmno cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ in December 1941, and another 15 of them were used by the death squads in the occupied Soviet Union.  These gas vans were developed and run under supervision of the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (Reich Main Security Bureau), and were used to kill about 500,000 people, primarily Jҽωs, but also Romani, Christians,  and any one other than an Aryan.

    SS Obersturmführer Christian Wirth seems to have been the inventor of the gas chamber.

    During 1942, in addition to Auschwitz, five other camps were designated as extermination camps (Vernichtungslager) for the carrying out of the Reinhard plan.
     Chelmno (also known as Kulmhof), Majdanek, Belzec, Sobibór and Treblinka. A seventh camp, at Maly Trostinets in Belarus, was also used for this purpose. Jasenovac was an extermination camp where mostly ethnic Serbs were killed.

    The guards would tell the victims that these were delousing chambers.  Sometimes even giving them soap or a wash cloth to keep them calm.



    Matthew, why don't you read the testamonies of the Nazi guards who were tried and found guilty after WW2, vs. posting this obvious hate speech and antiHistory garbage?  Posting it with no explaination as to why you posted it comes off as you supporting it.



    bears, we ahve to see if said testimony was faked and/or coerced. which would shed serious light on these matters...

    also, the questions should be:
    -why has this, for some, become a industry?
    -for some profit
    -why is the 6,000,000 number now dogmatic and set in stone?
    -where did that number come from?
    -is it right to jail and deprive one of property, freedom and a good name when one may question taht number??
    -why is this dogmatic and not revealed truth
    -why are other victims never discussed, never given a fair treatment (see removal of crosses at AUschwitz, removal of nuns from there and a whole blank page on Catholics, Prots, Gypsies, Slavs,etc....the ɧơƖơcαųst is now a Jєωιѕн only event)
    -what about the other victims?
    -why is the very term "ɧơƖơcαųst" no the sole property of Jҽωs? it cannot be publicly used to refer to aborted babies, cambodians, Armenians...why??

    Bear, if I went to Austria or Germany and publicly stated 5,000,000 Jҽωs were gassed, I could be αrrєѕтed, tried, jailed and deprived of everything!!! Why?
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    « Reply #14 on: August 18, 2010, 08:52:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    while saying that Stalin killed only a million Ukrainians is perfectly okay.


    true, that is the hypocrisy of the whole thing, that apparently to get recognition, Ukrainians need a multi-billion dollar lobbying effort and control over most banks and most mєdια....maybe then and only then, they get recognition....
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