https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/02/19/trump-administration-to-launch-worldwide-fight-to-decriminalize-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity/?fbclid=IwAR36HYCMIlJ_7-oiQPMs62DIUjn1e6DgrckPhy2ukk2PBkwa8MEglp7rCJ0

Trump to Launch Worldwide Fight to Decriminalize ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity

The Trump administration will launch an effort to decriminalize ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in countries where it is still illegal, as part of a diplomatic push for LGBTQ rights — and an effort to isolate Iran, which persecutes ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.

NBC News reported Tuesday that the effort is to be led by U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, a staunch Trump supporter who is among the highest-ranking openly gαy officials ever to serve in the U.S. government. Grenell is currently among the front-runners to succeed Nikki Haley as UN Ambassador.


    U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, the highest-profile openly gαy person in the Trump administration, is leading the effort, which kicks off Tuesday evening in Berlin. The U.S. embassy is flying in LGBT activists from across Europe for a strategy dinner to plan to push for decriminalization in places that still outlaw ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity — mostly concentrated in the Middle East, Africa and the Caribbean.

    Although the decriminalization strategy is still being hashed out, officials say it’s likely to include working with global organizations like the United Nations, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, as well as other countries whose laws already allow for gαy rights. Other U.S. embassies and diplomatic posts throughout Europe, including the U.S. Mission to the E.U., are involved, as is the State Department’s Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor.

    Narrowly focused on criminalization, rather than broader LGBT issues like same-sex marriage, the campaign was conceived partly in response to the recent reported execution by hanging of a young gαy man in Iran, the Trump administration’s top geopolitical foe.

There are 72 countries that still criminalize ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, and eight that apply the death penalty, according to NBC. One is U.S. ally Saudi Arabia, according to a report by a gαy rights organization cited by NBC News.

The Trump administration has been criticized by LGBTQ (lesbian, gαy, bisɛҳuąƖ, transgender, and queer) activists in the U.S. for barring transgender volunteers from serving in the U.S. military, and rescinding a policy from the previous administration encouraging special accommodation for transgender students in public schools.

However, Trump has stayed out of debates over same-sex marriage and has promoted gαy officials, such as Grenell, who share his broader agenda.

President Barack Obama ran in 2008 on a platform opposing same-sex marriage and yet was embraced by LGBTQ activists. He switched his position before the 2012 elections, and told African countries to drop laws discriminating against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in 2015, but did not press the issue more widely.

The Trump administration has won praise from religious groups for promoting their agenda abroad, including the “Mexico City policy,” which bars U.S. foreign aid for being used to fund or promote abortion.

Pope St. Pius V handed sodomite priests over to civil authorities to be executed.

I think all public perverts against nature should be executed. Don't Ask, Don't Tell. If a pervert wants to be a pervert behind closed doors, God will judge him soon enough, but don't come out in public with it, which scandalizes the youth and begins an incremental tolerance for this disgusting sin worthy of God's vengeance.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/n009rp_ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖPriests.htm

First off, I don't know what the right answer is towards this sin.  In the middle ages, blasphemy and sacrilege were punishable publically, while St Thomas argued that the State should NOT outlaw prostitution, but "zone it" out of the way, so as to limit scandal.  The former acts are directly against God, while the latter is the result of fallen nature, which St Thomas argued, could never be stopped completely.

Secondly, execution of gαy priests is WAY different than executing a gαy layman/citizen.  A gαy priest would've had to lie and tell half-truths for his entire seminary career (6-7 years), which is formally against Church teaching/law.  Therefore, as they infiltrated the Church and became part of Her clergy, so they should suffer the punishments for their lies and scandals.  (I say scandals, because the only way for a gαy priest to be "outed" is through his actions, which would necessarily cause scandal to the laity.  If he were to keep it secret, no one would ever know, thus no scandal, thus no punishment).

Thirdly, as the Church in the Middle Ages tolerated the Jєωs and gave them thier own neighborhoods (i.e. roman ghetto) and as through the centuries her saints have built hospitals, convents, poor houses and refuge houses for the sick, the destitute, the addicted, the orphans and the unmarried women, so I can see that the Church would try to rehabilitate those who are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.  But I agree, She would NOT allow open action, support or condoning of this serious vice.  I could see where she would ask the State to punish those who were subversive and public.  Aside from this, I don't think capital punishment would fix the problem.

That's because you're infected with liberalism and you don't have the capacity to see the bigger picture. There is absolutely no moral nor practical reason to allow public sodomites to live and try to rehabilitate them. Far more normal people, mostly the youth, will lose their souls due to being scandalized by these disgusting perverts, than the perverts amending their lives and living for God. So in terms of statistics, alone, your argument has zero weight.

The fact that God rained fire down on Sodom & Gomorrah tells his true Faithful that the gravity of their sins against nature deserve death.

Romans 1:26-32 also tells us that these butt buccaneers are worthy of death, and not only them, but the people who support their right to live their revolting lives.

Your opinions, and our collective feelings towards sodomites, are beside the point. I am more interested in Traditional Catholic doctrine on the matter. Did the Catholic Church used to treat sodomites like modern-day Muslims? Because the Catholic Church used to have a lot more power back in its heydey (the Middle Ages). Were there regular hangings, stonings, and so forth -- just for the crime of BEING a sodomite? (I'm not talking about trying to actively subvert society on a large scale, undermine the government, or anything like that. That would be the separate crime of treason)
Do you have anything to back up your opinions?

Yes, but you stand here promoting a novelty.

Sure, it might be agreeable to some of our thoughts or feelings, but I would hesitate to do something novel that the Church didn't think was a good idea, even when the Church was in her heydey.

That's because you're infected with liberalism and you don't have the capacity to see the bigger picture. There is absolutely no moral nor practical reason to allow public sodomites to live and try to rehabilitate them. Far more normal people, mostly the youth, will lose their souls due to being scandalized by these disgusting perverts, than the perverts amending their lives and living for God.

I already said that public promotion of this sin should be dealt with publically, as in a public punishment.  I'm talking about some random guy who has inclinations and sneaks around with is love interest, who also keeps these things non-public.  Should the Church/State create an FBI task force to surveil and punish those who quietly sin?  No, there's no historical evidence to suggest the Church has ever acted in this manner when the crime was of a personal sin, not injurious to the state at large.

This is why St Thomas argued that prostitution should not be outlawed; because there will always exist perversion, as it's part of human nature.  As long as the perversion is limited in scandal and removed from society as much as it can be (i.e. whore houses should be on the outskirts of town), then the State has done its duty towards the Church.

If the private sins are not something contrary to the State (i.e. freemasonic, jooish subversion), then it should be allowed so long as society is not corrupted.

Ok then, I agree.  This is what I originally said, or tried to.