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« on: October 09, 2011, 12:35:49 AM »
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  • Absent from the October 7, 2011, Meeting of Neo-SSPX Superiors in Albano
    Is the Society's Senior Bishop, Richard Williamson
    There Has Been Speculation that Williamson
    Who Has Taken over Personal Control of His Weekly Publication
    May Be Planning Independent Action
    Williamson Is Well Known to Be Opposed to Fellay's Sellout Programme

    On October 7, 2011, the Neo-SSPX's dictator, Bernie Fellay, commanded his thirty local superiors to appear at Albano, Italy, to receive his response to the "Doctrinal Preamble" dictated to the Society by Benedict-Ratzinger. This docuмent includes the Vatican II Modernist "doctrines" that Fellay must accept before his sellout to the New Order can continue.

    Significantly, the Society's senior bishop, Richard Williamson, absented himself at the same time that he had taken over personal control of his weekly publication. Williamson is well known to be Fellay's nemesis, as Williamson holds firm to the wise founding principles of Archbishop Lefebvre, which Fellay has sold out, preferring to become a Newchurcher. It is well known that Fellay hates Williamson and has attempted to relegate him to virtual house arrest and silence. But is the worm beginning to turn? Is Williamson now about to take independent action?

    Although Fellay issued a brief press release after the meeting, mouthing the principle of "faithfulness to Tradition," he has previously expressed his own unCatholic doctrine that Modernism can be reconciled with Tradition. Fellay, whose own personal motives are suspect, has taken leadership of the issue out of the hands of Neo-SSPX bishop Alfonso Galarreta and placed them entirely in his own dirty hands and those of his two personally-appointed stooges, Niklaus Pfluger and Alain Nely, for a response. The terms of the sellout are still shrouded in secrecy, though its contents are essentially obvious.

    Good Catholics, what are Benedict-Ratzinger and Fellay afraid of? Why not make the terms public and allow their members to debate the proposal openly? But what would you expect from a man (Ratzinger) who covered up under his personal signature the rape of tens of thousands of children by his Newchurch clergy and from a man (Fellay) who acts toward his organization not as a bishop and a father, but as a dictator that Julius Caesar could admire!


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    « Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 12:50:30 AM »
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  • I post this primarily because I was wondering what was up with Bishop Williamson taking over his own blog. Initially I though it may have stemmed from his tenth anniversary of 9/11 post, thinking that may have been a bit too much for the editor. That seems unlikely as the the Bishop's views on 9/11 are well known. I really hope Bishop Fellay abandons his attempts to be regularized by Rome.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 06:46:22 AM »
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  • This is absurd misinformed propaganda. The authors have zero regard for the truth or honest commentary and will pimp their agenda and cynical twisted view no matter what.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 07:55:01 AM »
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  • @stevusmagnus:

    WHATEVER you think of the Traditio authors' motives, agendas or otherwise, PLEASE do not use such harsh words. Those are faithful, validly-ordained traditional PRIESTS you are writing about; please have some respect.

    St. John Vianney, pray for us.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

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    « Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 08:31:52 AM »
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  • It's funny, they (traditio) really ticked me off last week with their commentary on the Korean "assassin priest" saying he deserved to be executed. Japan took 200,000 women sex slaves out of korea to service their soldiers and did unspeakable things to the people while they occupied their country and they did the same thing to other countries as well.

    In this case, however , they are writing what a lot of people are thinking. We know what Bishop Williamson thinks of the talks with Rome, he did just take over his online newsletter and the fact that he didn't attend the Oct 7th meeting is all pretty significant. Again, I hope Fellay abandons these talks with Rome, the Society is doing very well as it is.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 09, 2011, 09:32:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: Stevusmagnus
    This is absurd misinformed propaganda.

    Which part in particular?


    Quote from: Thursday
    I post this primarily because I was wondering what was up with Bishop Williamson taking over his own blog. Initially I though[t] it may have stemmed from his tenth anniversary of 9/11 post, thinking that may have been a bit too much for the editor. That seems unlikely as the the Bishop's views on 9/11 are well known.

    Yes indeed. The Eleison Comments' former editor Mr Wansbutter announced the migration of the older mailing-list to a new distribution system a while ago. So it was planned in the long-term, long before the very nice Eleison Comment about 9/11 was published.

    Also if we take a look at Mr Wansbutter's blog we see that he appreciates the good Bishop.
    Is there a single Bishop Williamson supporter who really believes in the dumb official 9/11 lies? Hard to imagine, in particular because Mr Wansbutter is a Canadian.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 09, 2011, 12:40:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stephen Francis
    @stevusmagnus:

    WHATEVER you think of the Traditio authors' motives, agendas or otherwise, PLEASE do not use such harsh words. Those are faithful, validly-ordained traditional PRIESTS you are writing about; please have some respect.


    Well that *should* go for traditio as well.......I mean, "Neo-SSPX's dictator, Bernie Fellay"?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #7 on: October 09, 2011, 01:50:06 PM »
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  • Yes, even if some at Traditio are preists, they are to be publicly reprimanded for their uncharitable comments against other priests.

    There is a way to criticize, and a way that is just human and passion-filled, but has nothing to do with following Christ.

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    « Reply #8 on: October 09, 2011, 02:42:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ethelred
    Quote from: Thursday
    I post this primarily because I was wondering what was up with Bishop Williamson taking over his own blog. Initially I though[t] it may have stemmed from his tenth anniversary of 9/11 post, thinking that may have been a bit too much for the editor. That seems unlikely as the the Bishop's views on 9/11 are well known.

    Yes indeed. The Eleison Comments' former editor Mr Wansbutter announced the migration of the older mailing-list to a new distribution system a while ago. So it was planned in the long-term, long before the very nice Eleison Comment about 9/11 was published.

    Also if we take a look at Mr Wansbutter's blog we see that he appreciates the good Bishop.
    Is there a single Bishop Williamson supporter who really believes in the dumb official 9/11 lies? Hard to imagine, in particular because Mr Wansbutter is a Canadian.


    My guess is that it was +Williamson's decision to eliminate his editor to spare a second party from involvement in the sorts of trouble the bishop faces in publicly expressing his thoughts.
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    « Reply #9 on: October 09, 2011, 03:03:47 PM »
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  • Personally if +Fellay sells out to new Rome I hope +Williamson will breakaway to keep ArchB Lefebvres orginization true to the Catholic Faith.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 09, 2011, 03:04:22 PM »
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    It is well known that Fellay hates Williamson


    And traditio knows this how?

    I agree with Matthew. They may be priests but that doesn't mean they can use unnecessary criticism, which is a sin. They are right that Bishop Fellay is off his rocker but they are basically judging his thoughts and motives when they say he hates Bishop Williamson.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 09, 2011, 03:10:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
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    It is well known that Fellay hates Williamson


    And traditio knows this how?

    I agree with Matthew. They may be priests but that doesn't mean they can use unnecessary criticism, which is a sin. They are right that Bishop Fellay is off his rocker but they are basically judging his thoughts and motives when they say he hates Bishop Williamson.


    He may not hate him Spiritus but just by his actions you can tell he is against him.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 09, 2011, 03:24:28 PM »
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    It is well known that Fellay hates Williamson


    And traditio knows this how?

    I agree with Matthew. They may be priests but that doesn't mean they can use unnecessary criticism, which is a sin. They are right that Bishop Fellay is off his rocker but they are basically judging his thoughts and motives when they say he hates Bishop Williamson.


    He may not hate him Spiritus but just by his actions you can tell he is against him.


    Oh I know that, I'm just saying that stating he hates him is out of line.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 04:07:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
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    It is well known that Fellay hates Williamson


    And traditio knows this how?

    I agree with Matthew. They may be priests but that doesn't mean they can use unnecessary criticism, which is a sin. They are right that Bishop Fellay is off his rocker but they are basically judging his thoughts and motives when they say he hates Bishop Williamson.


    He may not hate him Spiritus but just by his actions you can tell he is against him.


    Oh I know that, I'm just saying that stating he hates him is out of line.


    Oh yeah, I see. Yeah, hate may be a bit steep.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 09, 2011, 04:18:46 PM »
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  • Talking about "hate" is literally rashly judging a CLERIC which is serious business, especially if it's a cleric doing the rash judging!

    Hate is a mortal sin.

    Traditio is publicly calling Bishop Fellay a mortal sinner.  

    WAY out of line.
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