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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2019, 01:02:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on December 15, 2019, 09:10:24 PM
    You may wish to refer them to this link: The Catholic Religion Proved by the Protestant Bible
    As succinct as it is excellent!  I had to add it here: http://judaism.is/neo-pharisees.html
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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #61 on: December 16, 2019, 03:54:56 PM »
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    • I again provided a response to HappyDappyJesusCatholic-guy (HDJCG) who still cant' wrap his head around St. Dismas, the Good Thief.  Here's what I posted:

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    [As previously mentioned], the Good Thief not only showed remorse, but while in his own agony showed kindness towards Jesus Christ, God. That was an act.  He also rebuked the Bad Thief.  That too was an act.  Nor did he ask to be saved: He knew who he was. He knew he was a sinner and did not deserve heaven. He defended Christ (an act) and all he asked for, while he is burning in hell, is for Christ to just remember him. What humble thing to ask God. The thief just didn’t think to himself or say out loud “I believe” and was thus saved.  In addition to him recognizing Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, he succored our Lord at the time of his agony, a time where all but one of his disciples had abandoned Him.  Evidently, it was through these acts of kindness, in connection with his belief, that saved him. ... Bear in mind, also, that the Good Thief was in a very unique situation.  

    I then relayed the story of St. Dismas as told by St. Anslem.

    Apparently, that still wasn't enough.

    Mind you, the only reason why we're even talking about the Good Thief in the thread is because it was brought up as an example of faith without works will lead to salvation.  Putting aside, again, the unique circuмstances surrounding the Good Thief, HDJCG clings to this, along with 'Divine Mercy'.  HDJCG's response:

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    Now as I  read your explanation it seems like anything can be an act or works when done in the name or recognition of the Lord or thusly following his teachings.

    Since you say acts were done by the good thief and he did not ask for forgiveness are you saying that the Saviour will save those that have done good acts but not necessarily ask to be saved?  

    Sounds like in this case Jesus figured out that the good thief wanted to be saved or wanted to receive His Mercy.

    I believe he gets the first part mostly correct, but at the same time, I do not think he fully comprehends the sola fide heresy, and how he's prancing around it.

    As to the second part, he is again not taking into account the very unique situation the Good Thief found himself in, and is applying story of the Good Thief as a general matter.  His conclusion appears to be that of a Universalist/Agnostic who believes "All Good Dogs Go To Heaven."  Obviously, that's in error.

    As for the third part, I think he's finally touching on something truthful.  But the whole "Divine Mercy" seems to smack of presumption, and I think way too many--including Catholics--rely on it as a means to justify their lack of following the true faith.  The presumption of God's mercy, up or down, is a sin against the Holy Ghost. 

    I suppose this could be a time to bring up Baptism-by-Desire, but I'm not sure if I want to delve into that as it is a whole other discussion (and one I do not feel competent in having).  
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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #62 on: December 16, 2019, 04:59:00 PM »
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    • AND... things just got lit up.

    The guy who I first quoted to start this thread--the one who would go down in a pile of empty brass defending the Jews--finally chimed back in.  And what a Duesy it was!

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    I had thought I would just leave this thread alone, . . . as the asinine ignorance I have seen promulgated here just borders on the edge of plain old common place stupidity.

    Anyone who has so deeply embroiled themselves into the catholic church as it has been presented here only needs two things: prayer and pity.

    Prayer so that he/they will see the error of the way, . . . and pity simply because they will most likely not.

    It is well docuмented throughout history that the catholic church is a church in name only, . . . much deeper embroiled in theft, murder, pedophilia, and human atrocities second only to Islam, . . . and at times, . . . that is indeed in debate.

    Popes, cardinals, priests, bishops, sisters and more have been accused of just about any lawbreaking imaginable only to find them transferred out of the area before the law can be brought to bear on them. Oh, . . . excuse me, . . . I forgot, . . . popes are infallible, . . . yeah, . . . give me a break. They are sinners no less than Hitler, Stalin, Osama Bin Laden, . . . and kissing their own ring will not buy them absolution for their sins.

    Yes, . . . there are good Christians in the catholic church, . . . but it is not because of the church as much as it is in spite of the church.

    There is not one, . . . not one single solitary priest, bishop, cardinal, pope, . . . or whatever other line office in the "church" that even begins to follow the rudimentary and elementary qualifications laid down by the Holy Spirit and penned by the Apostle Paul. The very first requirement is that they each, all, every one, . . . must be blameless, . . . and then the husband of one wife. Later the Word of God demands of that same individual "having his children in subjection.

    Ah, . . . and yes, . . . the priest is supposed to be THE final local authority on how good catholics should treat their wives or husbands, . . . and how they should rear their children. Never having ever had any experience in any of these matters is a total shipwreck of idea to think that they are capable of being able or qualified to give any guidance whatsoever in those matters.

    Add to that, . . . the scores of books, pamphlets, missals, poems, etc. handed down by the "fathers" as though they were inspired by God, Himself.

    Again, . . . the Word of God addressed that trash in it's closing remarks: Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    AND, . . . then to purport that the catholic church is indeed the one and only body of believers fit for heaven, . . . as well as being the final true "Israel", . . . I've heard truer stories in bar rooms where the soldier starts out with "This is no...........".
    Whoa.  This guy sure has some hatred in his heart.  Maybe I should suggest an exorcism? :incense:
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #63 on: December 16, 2019, 07:39:02 PM »
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    • Ask him for verifiable evidence of his hyperbolic claims.  Ask him if the sinfulness of Protestants discredits Protestantism.

    Then offer a counter-claim with evidence.

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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #64 on: December 16, 2019, 10:14:48 PM »
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    • And it would be interesting if we could get some stats on the number of Jєωιѕн abortionists compared with abortionists from any other category.

    I imagine the Jews played a major role in sanitizing and then getting rid of altogether the Hippocratic Oath --just as I'm sure they played at least some significant role in getting rid of the Oath against Modernism!
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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #65 on: December 17, 2019, 09:00:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 16, 2019, 07:39:02 PM
    Ask him for verifiable evidence of his hyperbolic claims.  Ask him if the sinfulness of Protestants discredits Protestantism.

    I may end up doing that.  For the time being, though, I'm going to let the above diatribe sink in a bit as an example of how hateful/bigoted 'Christian' Zionists (and some Prots) really are.  If you recall, the author of the above diatribe, who considers himself to be 'Christian', is the same one who said that he would stand with the Jews, "and if we both die in a pile of empty brass, . . . we will have taken many of the enemy with us."  I had made a follow-up comment to this, stating that this same guy (and those like him) wouldn't take the time to walk across the street to relieve himself on a Catholic if the Catholic were on fire.  I think many found that comment of mine to be bombastic; not so much anymore, as this devil has shown his true colors.  
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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #66 on: December 17, 2019, 10:50:50 AM »
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    • (((They))) and their minions will use every lie, deceit, and fallacy available.

    Tricks of the rabbis
     
    Cognitive Infiltration
    https://outlandersystemsblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/28/cognitive-infiltration/
     
    The 25 Rules of Disinformation
    http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/
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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #67 on: December 17, 2019, 10:54:14 AM »
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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #68 on: December 17, 2019, 06:51:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on December 17, 2019, 10:54:14 AM
    ^--- Linky no worky.
    Alas, not even found on archive.org.
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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #69 on: December 17, 2019, 10:40:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on December 17, 2019, 09:00:53 AM
    I may end up doing that.  For the time being, though, I'm going to let the above diatribe sink in a bit as an example of how hateful/bigoted 'Christian' Zionists (and some Prots) really are.  If you recall, the author of the above diatribe, who considers himself to be 'Christian', is the same one who said that he would stand with the Jews, "and if we both die in a pile of empty brass, . . . we will have taken many of the enemy with us."  I had made a follow-up comment to this, stating that this same guy (and those like him) wouldn't take the time to walk across the street to relieve himself on a Catholic if the Catholic were on fire.  I think many found that comment of mine to be bombastic; not so much anymore, as this devil has shown his true colors.  

    If the issue has not been brought up yet you may want to ask him about incorrupt bodies.  Ask him where you can go view a single long deceased Jew or Prot or member of any other false religion for that matter whose body lies incorrupt without any artificial means to keep it that way.

    The history of incorrupt bodies remains one of the most remarkable ongoing miraculous testimonies to the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.  It's no wonder that when the issue comes up in the public square (although not surprisingly it almost never does), the most vehement anti-Catholics start blowing all kinds of smoke in their attempts to discredit this heavenly Catholic phenomenon.

    I'd love to see some anti-Catholic try to take on someone like Sungenis in a public debate as regards the authenticity/truth of Catholic incorrupt bodies being preserved without any valid explanation from the natural sciences to explain this phenomenon.
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