One of the things we talk about in the SSPX is modernism. Particularly with new concepts that were introduced at V2. But how far should we go when we concern ourselves with modernism? Is it "too modern" to listen to rock and roll? Perhaps driving an automobile is modernism. After all, it wasn't until recently that automobiles were introduced to the world.

My take is that as long as there is nothing sinful about your actions and choices then it should be morally acceptable.

When it comes to modernism, we should really only concern ourselves with newer practices that were introduced to Catholicism in the later days. Particularly with those that are seemingly contradictory to traditional practices. Not so much with what we wear, what we listen to, etc. Although what we wear does matter, as long as it is not sinful it is acceptable. Am I right? Same with music?

Modernism isn't about up to date technology, it is about a philosophy that says there is no absolute truth, so the teachings of the Church can change, among other things. But I am not an expert. Hopefully those who know more will chime in.

Yes, it appears that the OP is confusing modernity with modernism.

Modernism is an all-encompassing heresy, "the sewer of all heresies" according to St. Pius X.

Modernism isn't owning a cell phone, watching TV, or heavy computer use. That is being modern. There's a world of difference.

One of the things we talk about in the SSPX is modernism. Particularly with new concepts that were introduced at V2. But how far should we go when we concern ourselves with modernism? Is it "too modern" to listen to rock and roll? Perhaps driving an automobile is modernism. After all, it wasn't until recently that automobiles were introduced to the world.

My take is that as long as there is nothing sinful about your actions and choices then it should be morally acceptable.

When it comes to modernism, we should really only concern ourselves with newer practices that were introduced to Catholicism in the later days. Particularly with those that are seemingly contradictory to traditional practices. Not so much with what we wear, what we listen to, etc. Although what we wear does matter, as long as it is not sinful it is acceptable. Am I right? Same with music?

InfiniteFaith, MaterDominici gave you some really excellent advice, read Padendi Dominici Gregis by St. Pius X.  Read what modernism is and the causes of it.  Forums can be excellent for this type of advice.  Please though don't validate rock and roll, what you wear,  or perhaps any other worldly influence, including television, by the answer of one poster vs. another or your perception of what you think others tell you. Get rid of any bad influence around you that can cause you to sin.  Since you asked it, get rid of your tv if you have one, rock music, any music that glorifies sin filled behavior or makes you think of it.  

In Pacendi, you will read two causes for modernism, curiosity and pride.  Today's circuмstances change, technology changes and with it bringing new ways for evil to enter our soul.  Some are old, such as bad reading, some are new such as tv, bad movies, videos, etc.  Curiosity and pride.  

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One of the things we talk about in the SSPX is modernism. Particularly with new concepts that were introduced at V2. But how far should we go when we concern ourselves with modernism? Is it "too modern" to listen to rock and roll? Perhaps driving an automobile is modernism. After all, it wasn't until recently that automobiles were introduced to the world.

My take is that as long as there is nothing sinful about your actions and choices then it should be morally acceptable.

When it comes to modernism, we should really only concern ourselves with newer practices that were introduced to Catholicism in the later days. Particularly with those that are seemingly contradictory to traditional practices. Not so much with what we wear, what we listen to, etc. Although what we wear does matter, as long as it is not sinful it is acceptable. Am I right? Same with music?

InfiniteFaith, MaterDominici gave you some really excellent advice, read Padendi Dominici Gregis by St. Pius X.  Read what modernism is and the causes of it.  Forums can be excellent for this type of advice.  Please though don't validate rock and roll, what you wear,  or perhaps any other worldly influence, including television, by the answer of one poster vs. another or your perception of what you think others tell you. Get rid of any bad influence around you that can cause you to sin.  Since you asked it, get rid of your tv if you have one, rock music, any music that glorifies sin filled behavior or makes you think of it.  

In Pacendi, you will read two causes for modernism, curiosity and pride.  Today's circuмstances change, technology changes and with it bringing new ways for evil to enter our soul.  Some are old, such as bad reading, some are new such as tv, bad movies, videos, etc.  Curiosity and pride.  

This is good debate. I have to disagree with you about what you say with rock and roll and even TV. As long as rock and roll and TV are not sinful then it would be OK to subject yourself to it.

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This is good debate. I have to disagree with you about what you say with rock and roll and even TV. As long as rock and roll and TV are not sinful then it would be OK to subject yourself to it.

Your question about sinful music has been asked and answered previously. Perhaps it's time to revisit the answers:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/What-kinds-of-music-are-forbidden

Drop the sinful music. And, if your choice of TV programming is anything like your choice of music, get rid of your TV too.

So you are saying to get rid of TV altogether? Even if only a few channels are sinful? Why can't you just avoid those channels and still watch TV? Now we are getting somewhere.

Well, no, there's no channels that aren't going to have sinful content. You have it entirely incorrect on that subject.

They are all going to mark off the checklist of sacrifices to the devil the entertainment industry makes for success.

An atheistic and anti-Christ worldview
Immodest clothing
Lord's name in vain, blasphemies, vulgarities
Impurity
Time wasting
Condonation and promotion of sin influencing the viewer
Immoral camera shots

Etc.

I'm sure most channels probably do contain immoral content. There must be some channels that don't. Perhaps EWTN? TV does have its purpose and can be used in good ways. Maybe you are right about watching TV in this day and age though.

I don't really watch TV. I do occasionally watch football but thats about it. I hope there is nothing sinful in that.

I do, however, listen to a lot of heavy metal and rock. I have had to get rid of a lot of the stuff I used to listen to over the past year or 2. It is amazing how much satanic stuff there is in this type of music. I won't listen to any music if it contains anything that is obviously sinful.

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This is good debate. I have to disagree with you about what you say with rock and roll and even TV. As long as rock and roll and TV are not sinful then it would be OK to subject yourself to it.

Your question about sinful music has been asked and answered previously. Perhaps it's time to revisit the answers:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/What-kinds-of-music-are-forbidden

Drop the sinful music. And, if your choice of TV programming is anything like your choice of music, get rid of your TV too.

So you are saying to get rid of TV altogether? Even if only a few channels are sinful? Why can't you just avoid those channels and still watch TV? Now we are getting somewhere.

InfiniteFaith, you sound well intentioned, but I am not so sure of that.  It is difficult to believe you have sincerely and prayerfully reviewed the information given you in the earlier thread from April 2014, but you still have this struggle with rock music and the television.  

Rock music has been covered.  Go back and read through the previous on the prior thread and watch the videos given you in the link.  

TV:  There is a distinct difference between the Discovery channel where the plight of penguins is discussed and an NBC program where ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage is paraded as acceptable. Lots of gray area programing in the middle where illict sex is treated as normal in drama and immorality is paramount.    

Ask yourself just what do you want to subject your mind and soul to?  Honestly, I don't know your age, but your questions are asked as a child would ask a parent.  I presume you are older than that.  Having a television in your house is a dangerous temptation.  When you grab that remote control, you may intend to watch the penguins, but your hand gravitates to the R rated movie.  That is the temptation that even Adam and Eve could not resist.