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Offline ggreg

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Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2019, 05:13:09 PM »
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  • You said "Mark my Words" about Ruth Bader Ginsburg being dead.  And she is clearly still alive.  She was in an open court session on Wednesday meaning many people who know her saw her.  What are you going to do for the next year when she repeatedly shows up?

    That she has a "body double" like Sister Lucy. 

    Obviously if you want to come up with those sorts of crazy explanations then anything is justifyable.  But then why not accept Pablo's crazy justifications?

    They are no more wacky doodle than yours. 


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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #16 on: February 20, 2019, 05:20:02 PM »
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  • That she has a "body double" like Sister Lucy.
    Yeah, I know, the Deep State has no reason to postpone the inevitable. It's only the legality of Abortion on the line. There's not many evil men propping THAT industry up, and there's no money to be made in the abortion industry. There's no way a huge cabal of evil men could find and hire another old woman who kinda looks like RBG.

    In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.

    Most people would accept Kim Kardashian as RBG if the MSM universally put Kim forward as RBG. Most peoples' memories are short, suggestible, and very faulty.
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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #17 on: February 20, 2019, 05:33:08 PM »
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  • You said "Mark my Words" about Ruth Bader Ginsburg being dead.  And she is clearly still alive.  She was in an open court session on Wednesday meaning many people who know her saw her.  What are you going to do for the next year when she repeatedly shows up?

    That she has a "body double" like Sister Lucy.

    Obviously if you want to come up with those sorts of crazy explanations then anything is justifyable.  But then why not accept Pablo's crazy justifications?

    They are no more wacky doodle than yours.
    Personally, I never thought RBG had kicked the bucket myself, but Sister Lucy? Really? A woman who insisted the 3rd Secret be released later than 1960, under the orders of Our Lady, would then sit around for several decades after twiddling her thumbs and going back on everything she said prior? While also getting heaps of plastic surgery surely, since faces just don't change that much naturally.

    She waited until quite late in her life to get braces, tooth shavings, and chin and jaw surgery. And a rhinoplasty.

    And perhaps most inexplicably, her philtrum shrunk. Let me tell you, as someone with a decent knowledge in maxillary development and dental health, NO ONE's philtrum shrinks as they age. Their lips get smaller and the skin there sags further, lengthening it. It never gets shorter, bar lip-lift surgeries and the like.

    The Sister Lucia we see in the later years is clearly someone with a very different facial form to the real Sister Lucia. I'm well aware of the effects of aging on the face, but many of the "changes" we see in her face would be the exact opposite of those we could expect to see from ages. And others are just simply impossible.

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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #18 on: February 21, 2019, 12:26:41 AM »
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  • I am highly educated and intelligent. I'm a software developer.
    Being highly educated and intelligent is not the same thing as having expertise in every field.

    Carl Sagan told a story about reading Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision. (Worlds in Collision claimed Venus or Mars passed close to Earth several times, changing Earth's orbit and inclination, causing Earth's rotation to stop for a while, and causing several other natural disasters that became part of early writing and religious stories.) Sagan, whose expertise was as an astronomer, said the claimed motions of Venus/Mars were nonsense, but he thought the references in early writings were interesting. Then he gave the book to a friend who had expertise in early religious literature. His friend said the literature interpretation was nonsense, but thought the physics raised interesting questions.

    The main lesson here is that the discipline of a field involves knowledge and methodologies that those without training in the field generally do not know. Those untrained in a field are not only likely to make mistakes, but they don't have the background to be able to recognize when they might be making mistakes.
     
    In my own work, I deal with several people with advanced degrees. Although highly educated and generally intelligent, they still routinely make gross errors in fields in which they do not have training. Only a few are able to take a correction.

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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #19 on: February 21, 2019, 02:27:15 AM »
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  • Those that wrote the Fatima story have an interest in painting Sister Lucia as some kind of Holy Saint, but we have no first hand evidence to suggest that.

    The body double would also need to convince the nuns in her convent, her confessor, her family members who came to visit, that she was the same person.

    And what for?  What did it achieve?   Fatima is still attested to by many conservative Trads.

    Suffice it to say that the real Sister Lucy, long before the body double, also said that Our Lady told her that "the Dogma of the Faith would always be preserved in Portugal"

    Yet Portugal has visibly perserved nothing.  It is a secular nation, with homo marriage, abortion and one of the lowest birthrates in the entire world.

    So that bit is clearly untrue.

    I therefore conclude that the Real Sister Lucy simple went the way of most Catholics and slavishly followed the reforms of Vatican II.  She was a simple minded peasant and believed and trusted authority.  That is why we see her slobbering over the hands of JP2 in June 2000 because she bought into the same JP2 myth that others did, that he was some sort of holy rock star.


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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #20 on: February 21, 2019, 08:40:50 AM »
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  • Methinks that you're rather cozy with said "star council" ... probably on a first-name basis with George Soros.  Such connections are the most likely source of your affluence, given that you have not demonstrated any kind of intelligence here on CI.
    There is no star council.  If there was, we would have Madame President Hillary Clinton and not Donald J Trump.
    If the last few years prove anything they prove that those "in control" are not as "in control" as people like you like to imagine and have been ranting and raving about for the last 40 years.
    Of course, you will respond that "the Joos" and the central banks control Trump, Pope Francis, Michael Voris and Barney the Dinosaur and indeed me, but you would have also said that if Clinton had been elected.  Trump was paid and controlled opposition so that Clinton could win with a landslide.   Since you don't have to follow any rules or rationality or common sense or observable facts then you can come up with any cock-and-bull justification for your mad ideas of how the world operates.
    Until you are the last man alive left on earth you would be convinced that "the Joos" were behind the weather, aircraft contrails, dog-poop in the streets and flouride in the water.
    What there is is the opportunistic alliances between rich/powerful interests to gain some financial, political or other advantage or to cover up their misdeeds.  But there are contrasting, sometimes opposing rich and powerful interests who seek to expose them from time to time.  That is why Bernie Madoff is able to get away with stealing 50 Billion from rich people and Nick Leeson can bring down a bank.  It is why Putin can take down some oligarchs in Russia with his divide and rule strategy.  If there was a Star Council then those things would not happen nor would Bill Clinton be caught with his pants down or on flights to a paedophile's private island.
    And there is also foolishness, hubris, drinking your own kool-aid and miscalculation which is how Donald J Trump ended up as the President of the United States of America.

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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #21 on: February 21, 2019, 08:42:22 AM »
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    Suffice it to say that the real Sister Lucy, long before the body double, also said that Our Lady told her that "the Dogma of the Faith would always be preserved in Portugal"

    Yet Portugal has visibly perserved nothing.  It is a secular nation, with homo marriage, abortion and one of the lowest birthrates in the entire world.
    You're making a lot of assumptions here.  You're going to write-off the Fatima message because of what you ASSUME is the meaning of the "portugal phrase"?  A phrase that is part of an incomplete sentence, which ended with "etc"?  That's pretty bold and impulsive, even for you.

    Portugal was extremely catholic under Salazar until the early 70s Revolution which started the freemasonic infiltration of the country.  They've slowly declined, just as all other countries did.  Our Lady never promised they wouldn't decline.  THE SENTENCE WAS UNFINISHED.  The sentence would be completed in the 3rd Secret.  Remember, She was commenting in 1917, over 6 decades from the time of the 70s, when Portugal started declining. She never said Portugal would be Catholic country forever.  And we also don't know what She meant by "dogma of faith".  Being a secular country doesn't necessarily mean you've given up the Faith, as a whole. 

    If I wanted to make assumptions, I'd assume that Sr Lucy and Our Lady's message makes sense, and that what She said about Portugal was that they would preserve the dogma of the faith until the 60s (which most catholic countries did NOT) when the 3rd Secret was supposed to be revealed.  She then probably predicted the false council, the false mass and all the infiltration into the Church (as many who have read the secret have alluded to).  In other words, after the 60s all bets are off, for the Church would be in chaos.

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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #22 on: February 21, 2019, 08:48:39 AM »
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  • There is no star council.  If there was, we would have Madame President Hillary Clinton and not Donald J Trump.

    :laugh1:  Trump is completely under there control.  No one becomes president unless he is controlled.


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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #23 on: February 21, 2019, 08:58:19 AM »
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     Being a secular country doesn't necessarily mean you've given up the Faith, as a whole. 
    Of course it does.
    A country that supports sodomite marriage and has one of the lowest birthrates in the entire world has given up the Faith as a whole.
    I am sure in Iceland and Scandinavia you can still find well restored monuments to Norse gods and poems and re-enactments and symbols to please the tourists and connect with their own history but as a whole those countries have completely given up on pagan worship,  sacrifices under a giant oak, bowls of sacrificial blood, swearing of oaths etc.  At most there are a mere handful of freaks who try to re-enact those rituals.
    What they have today is COMPLETELY different than their beliefs of the past ages.  Resurrect any norseman from the past and he would recognise precisely NONE of his religious traditions.  
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    What does the word ALWAYS mean?  Five decades is not even a human lifetime.  Hardly always.
    And why single out Portugal if it provided ZERO resistance when compared to Spain or Italy, Poland or the Philippines?

    Portugal has absolutely nothing to recommend it.  So clearly Sister Lucia made that bit up.  As history has shown.

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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #24 on: February 21, 2019, 09:16:51 AM »
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  • Klas,

    Great quote! I love it.

    I was going to add that it must bother Ggreg (and other like him) that his main asset (pardon the pun) is his wealth, income, and career. But how many people have him beat? Since he values worldly career, wealth, etc. he has to be jealous of all the 1%ers who have him beat. If his arguments against us "underachieving Trads" on CI hold any water, then he has to hold his head in shame for not measuring up to THEIR achievements. Sauce for the goose is good for the gander.

    Most of us on CI, on the other hand, can comfortably say that we haven't put all our eggs in the wealth or career basket. We had other priorities, which indeed hindered our careers, but they also allow us to not get upset when we see so many others richer than us. Wealth was never what we were after to begin with.
    What makes you assume that is my main asset?
    You seem to talk about it far more than I do Matthew.
    I don't consider those above me in the 1% do have me beat.  I can pay my bills, (even when my pipes leak), I have money in the bank, my wife and kids are in Germany this week skiing during the half-term holidays,  I eat nice food, live in a house that I would not want to be any larger and have reasonably good health, since I have never smoked nor do I drink very much.  I have never seen anything the rich have that I particularly want.
    I have plenty of free time and only work for 20-30 hours per week and still earn a decent living.  This year I will make about $230,000 after taxes.  Since I live below my means it is all fairly stress free.  The worst aspect of my current contract is the need to travel 1 week out of 8.  But for 20 years I travelled far less.
    When I look at people like Jeff Bezos taking pictures of his willy and sending them to some over suntanned bimbo I wonder why he thinks it is worth throwing away a 25 year marriage and rocking the emotions of his 4 children and embarrassing himself publicly.   I see hard-working 1%ers messing up their lives all the time.  Not all of them, by any means, but a good proportion.
    A good proportion of CI'ers cannot find anyone suitable to marry and/or cannot afford to move home to a resistance hot-spot and change career to live in the new location.  They would certainly prefer to do that if they were able to because in the meantime they are going along to SSPX masses or are home-alone.  I regularly see people on here worried about financial collapse or the price of housing or weddings or gasoline and how the Jєωs are outsourcing all the good jobs to the developing world.  For people who are not after wealth you sure seem to mention how difficult it is to acquire because of the Jєωιѕн conspiracy to make Christians weak and poor.

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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #25 on: February 21, 2019, 09:18:36 AM »
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    A country that supports sodomite marriage and has one of the lowest birthrates in the entire world has given up the Faith as a whole.
    The US would outlaw abortion/civil unions TOMORROW if it was put up for a popular vote.  I'm sure that's the same for many countries, including Portugal.  You can't completely correlate the actions of politicians with the voters they "serve".  Most politicians are bought and paid for; they serve their masters (most of whom are anti-catholic) not the people.

    The dogma of faith has to do with belief, not necessarily politics.  Drug addiction, womanizing, contraception, alcoholism - all of these immoral practices do not necessarily mean the person has given up the Faith.


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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #26 on: February 21, 2019, 09:26:22 AM »
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  • I can pay my bills, (even when my pipes leak), I have money in the bank, my wife and kids are in Germany this week skiing during the half-term
    Is this some kind of dig?

    Did you read my message (I believe it was in this thread) giving you the ONE CONDITION for your continued membership on CathInfo?

    I'll repeat it here: You have to never bring up my water leak, my water meter reading ability, my ability to estimate large volumes of water, etc.

    I think this is a small, reasonable request.  I guarantee you that if roles were reversed, you would demand much more. I probably would have been banned already.

    There is no other term for it: when I banned you, you were being a complete a**hole about my water leak and my subsequent mis-reading of my water meter (NOTE: I don't work for the water company, and I have never been trained in how to read a water meter). You were being a complete jerk about my honest mistake, and meanwhile had ZERO compassion for a family losing several weeks' income to a water leak.

    I lost a ton of respect for you after that incident. If you can't be compassionate about something that could happen to *anyone*, then what could you be compassionate about? I realize how hard it is to be compassionate towards people who are bad with money when you are great with money, or towards those with a food addiction when you have no problem with food -- because you could never picture yourself in that predicament. I guess your six-figure income has insulated you from most or all suffering thus far, to the point that you've forgotten how to commiserate with others about ANY predicament.
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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #27 on: February 21, 2019, 09:30:26 AM »
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  • Ggreg, this must be hard for you to understand, because for you everything is emotional/personal or you don't bother with it, but some of us men like to discuss abstract and philosophical matters.

    Also, some of us have a thing called nobility, concerning ourselves with higher things and the public good rather than just our own six figure income and career and maybe the good of our own immediate family.

    For example, the Jєωιѕн control of the money supply. I can discuss this issue without PERSONALLY hurting thanks to their control. Perhaps I just have COMPASSION on others who are suffering. Compassion -- a foreign concept for you, I know.
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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #28 on: February 21, 2019, 09:30:49 AM »
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  • There is no star council.  If there was, we would have Madame President Hillary Clinton and not Donald J Trump.
    If the last few years prove anything they prove that those "in control" are not as "in control" as people like you like to imagine and have been ranting and raving about for the last 40 years.
    Of course, you will respond that "the Joos" and the central banks control Trump, Pope Francis, Michael Voris and Barney the Dinosaur and indeed me, but you would have also said that if Clinton had been elected.  Trump was paid and controlled opposition so that Clinton could win with a landslide.   Since you don't have to follow any rules or rationality or common sense or observable facts then you can come up with any cock-and-bull justification for your mad ideas of how the world operates.
    Until you are the last man alive left on earth you would be convinced that "the Joos" were behind the weather, aircraft contrails, dog-poop in the streets and flouride in the water.
    What there is is the opportunistic alliances between rich/powerful interests to gain some financial, political or other advantage or to cover up their misdeeds.  But there are contrasting, sometimes opposing rich and powerful interests who seek to expose them from time to time.  That is why Bernie Madoff is able to get away with stealing 50 Billion from rich people and Nick Leeson can bring down a bank.  It is why Putin can take down some oligarchs in Russia with his divide and rule strategy.  If there was a Star Council then those things would not happen nor would Bill Clinton be caught with his pants down or on flights to a paedophile's private island.
    And there is also foolishness, hubris, drinking your own kool-aid and miscalculation which is how Donald J Trump ended up as the President of the United States of America.
    For one I'll say I disagree with all the downvoting, but denying the Jєωιѕн conspiracy is ridiculous. One Democrat denounces a PAC that supports Israel - nearly gets crucified. Congress passes laws outlawing boycotts of Israel. Jєωs own all the large media companies and the Federal Reserve. Those are all facts. The US pays more to Israel than any other country by a huge margin - fact. Every President(even Trump) is a huge Zionist and even kisses their bloody wall wearing Yarmulkes? Fact. Jєωιѕн owned organisations like SPLC and ADL, along with their media arms, push the demonisation of whites while crucifying anyone who calls out Jєωιѕн over-representation in the top 1% and government? Fact. Jєωιѕн politicians, journalists and activists accuse white people of having white privilege but call anyone who points out Jєωιѕн privilege an αnтι-ѕємιтє? Fact. Most of the biggest pro-diversity and pro-migration activists, NGOs, etc. are Jєωs/Jєωιѕн owned? Fact. 
    Everything I've said up above is verifiable, easily googleable fact. It's borderline dogma too, the Church always warned us of perfidious Jєωs and our Lord warned us of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. 

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    Re: To those who believe in the Moon Landings
    « Reply #29 on: February 21, 2019, 09:52:09 AM »
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  • ggreg I so enjoy all your posts.  Did you forget that Matthew believed that fake snow was falling in some southeastern state?  I believe it was you & a few others who set him straight.  After all this he says he's intelligent!
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14