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« on: January 15, 2014, 02:07:38 AM »
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  • The government of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has threatened to terminate the registration that allows the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church to operate legally in the Eastern European nation, according to a report from the Religious Information Service of Ukraine.

    The ministry of culture cited “systematic disregard for the law by some priests” at the anti-government Euromaidan protests that began in November.

    Although the Church does not take part in political events, it “cannot stay apart when faithful ask for spiritual care,” said Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, who leads the church, which is the largest of the Eastern Catholic churches.

    “Our Church has always been true and will remain so for the future mission that Christ the Savior entrusted, despite all the threats,” he added. “We thought that the time of repression has passed, but letters like these give doubts. We are not ashamed of our presence on the Maidan and will remain there.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20187


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    « Reply #1 on: January 15, 2014, 06:31:01 AM »
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  • That is terrible.   Next it will be here in America.

    They are pushing for one world Masonic satanic religion.
    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 02:30:19 AM »
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  • The Ukrainian government has sent mixed signals to the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church after it threatened to revoke the registration that allows the Eastern-rite body to operate legally.

    The ministry of culture cited “systematic disregard for the law by some priests” at the anti-government Euromaidan protests that began in November. In response, Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk said that government threats would not intimidate the Church.

    The director of the Ministry of Culture’s Department of Religious Affairs, Mykhailo Moshkola, reiterated that the priests had no right to conduct prayer services at the protests, according to the Religious Information Service of Ukraine.

    President Viktor Yanukovych, however, said that “we need to relax the legislation requirements and ensure believers have an opportunity to pray where they wish.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20214

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    « Reply #3 on: January 22, 2014, 03:05:38 AM »
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  •  In wake of increasing violence due to ongoing political protests, Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk is petitioning his countrymen to pray for peace and unity as political unrest continues.

    “With great dismay and sadness we witness the events taking place at the moment in Kyiv,” the archbishop lamented in a Jan. 21 statement released on Vatican Radio.

    “In view of these exceptional circuмstances,” he continued, “I would like to appeal to all the faithful of the church, the Ukrainian people, and to all people of good will. In the name of God, stop the bƖσσdshɛd!”

    “Violence was never the way to build a free and independent state! bƖσσdshɛd will never reconcile hearts or bring a positive outcome.”

    Major Archbishop Shevchuk is the head of the Ukrainian-Greek Catholic Church, and his plea for peace has come as a response to rising violence that is marring the ongoing anti-government protests taking place in Kyiv, the country’s capital.

    For the past two nights, both police and protestors have clashed as government forces sought to stop the current protests and dismantle barricades which lead to the government offices.

    According to BBC News, young men threw fireworks and petrol bombs at the police guarding the road which leads to the Ukrainian parliament, and some protestors were violently beaten by police.

    The protests originally began after the government's Nov. 21 announcement that it would not sign a major economic partnership agreement with the European Union. Since then protesters have occupied government buildings, at times filling the square with more than 100,000 people.

    Anti-protest laws which would increase fines and impose jail terms for unauthorized protests are set to be put into effect on Wednesday of this week, the BBC reports.

    However, according to Vatican Radio some observers have expressed concern that this anti-opposition legislation would resemble that which has been in neighboring Russia, and critics are claiming that Yanukovych is following in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s footsteps and building a police state.

    In his appeal for peace, Archbishop Shevchuk urged government officials to “listen to your people, hear them, do not use violence against them or repressive mechanisms.”

    To the Ukrainian citizens, “especially the protestors who are standing on the Maidan,” the archbishop stated that “I beg of you, go back to the peaceful nature of the protests. Do not let emotions get the better of you.”

    “Neither fear nor aggression nor anger was ever helpful in determining our future.”

    Sending a reminder to the bishops and priests who have continued ministering and offering the sacraments to protestors despite the government’s threats to rescind the legal status of the Ukrainian Catholic Church due to their involvement in the demonstrations, Archbishop Shevchuk encouraged them to “speak words of peace to hearts and minds,” and to continue preaching the Gospel of peace.

    “I call everyone,” he continued, “to prayer for peace in our country. May the Lord of peace, the Lord who has given us his peace be with you all.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ukrainian-archbishop-calls-for-peace-amid-violent-protests/

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    « Reply #4 on: January 22, 2014, 03:41:12 AM »
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  • I don't agree with the Archbishop.  History shows violence OFTEN determines the outcome.

    Ukraine is run by a bunch of kleptocratic criminals and scuмbags of the highest order.  People are understandably pissed off and I don't see why they should not fight to get a semi decent government and far less corruption.

    One of my clients is based there, IT development and I visit at least twice a year.  I'm also very well connected to a bunch of Ukrainians over here and have two people there who work for my company as well.  They live in Kharkiv and are nothing to do with my clients.  So I know the realities on the ground.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 22, 2014, 03:57:20 AM »
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  • By the way, you might want to check out the video from yesterday of protestors throwing petrol bombs at the Ukrainian cops.  Many of whom get set on fire.

    Imagine how American cops would respond to that.

    Live fire, I would expect.

    Perhaps this is how Russia ends up invading Europe and their tanks rolling up to the Vatican.  The EU makes a play, Russia responds, or vice versa, things get out of control. EU armies get their arses kicked and America withdraws from the fight for some reason or other.

    Interesting times.


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    « Reply #6 on: January 22, 2014, 04:37:53 AM »
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  • This is an accurate assessment of what is going on in the Ukraine vis a vis the protests.



    People are fed up to the back teeth with rampant corruption and injustice and being ruled by out and out criminals.

    Imagine that the mayor of your town decides he wants to own your business.  First he comes with his thugs to intimidate you.  Then his thugs burn down your stock room.  If you go to the police you simply make things worse for yourself.  You either have to kill the local mobster mayor or give up your business to him.  If you are lucky you will get 10 cents on the dollar.

    If you get your day in court the judge will simply be bribed.  Think 1930s Chicago and you have the right idea.  But in this case Al Capone is running the whole country and doesn't have a decent bone in his body.  He is not even trying to curry favour with the common people buy handing out free Turkeys at Christmas time.

    Thus only the most ruthless, violent, corrupt and cunning people own anything.  Prices are high because everyone is gouging and 98 percent of the population just gets the scraps thrown from the table.  It has been like that since the fall of communism and probably long before that.

    And that is not to say the EU is going to be a picnic for them either.  But they think it will be less corrupt and, frankly, it probably will be because as bad as they are, most European countries are far better than Ukraine.


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    « Reply #7 on: January 22, 2014, 05:56:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    This is an accurate assessment of what is going on in the Ukraine vis a vis the protests.



    People are fed up to the back teeth with rampant corruption and injustice and being ruled by out and out criminals.

    Imagine that the mayor of your town decides he wants to own your business.  First he comes with his thugs to intimidate you.  Then his thugs burn down your stock room.  If you go to the police you simply make things worse for yourself.  You either have to kill the local mobster mayor or give up your business to him.  If you are lucky you will get 10 cents on the dollar.

    If you get your day in court the judge will simply be bribed.  Think 1930s Chicago and you have the right idea.  But in this case Al Capone is running the whole country and doesn't have a decent bone in his body.  He is not even trying to curry favour with the common people buy handing out free Turkeys at Christmas time.

    Thus only the most ruthless, violent, corrupt and cunning people own anything.  Prices are high because everyone is gouging and 98 percent of the population just gets the scraps thrown from the table.  It has been like that since the fall of communism and probably long before that.

    And that is not to say the EU is going to be a picnic for them either.  But they think it will be less corrupt and, frankly, it probably will be because as bad as they are, most European countries are far better than Ukraine.


    This is the type of behaviour that Pope Francis has condemned repeatedly.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 22, 2014, 07:03:56 AM »
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  • What of it Poche?  Nobody has suggested that any Pope in the last 200 years has failed to condemn injustice and corruption as it applies to the common man.

    There are plenty of people who believe in the rule of law and property rights.  Plenty of people who don't think life should be a lawless gladitorial winner-takes-all contest.

    I think we can reasonably expect any civilised person to respect the rules of civilisation.

    The Pope only has to fail in one major way to be a lousy Pope and he fails on many.  Albeit, I grant you, that he is not materialistic or corrupt for power and money nor a careerist.  He seems to me to be a sincere liberal and modernist if there is such a thing.

    Joe Stalin put lots of criminals and corrupt bureaucrats in jail too.  It wasn't just innocent people and priests.  I don't think we need to suggest he was totally evil and never did anything positive.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 22, 2014, 08:22:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    He seems to me to be a sincere liberal and modernist if there is such a thing.


    I do not think that a sincere liberal or modernist would claim to be the head of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, seeing as liberalism and modernism by their nature cannot mix with said Church.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 23, 2014, 03:12:53 AM »
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  • An Orthodox priest tries to stop protesters clashing with riot police in the center of Kiev, on January 22, 2014 (AFP Photo/Sergei Supinsky)An Orthodox priest tries to stop protesters clashing with riot police in the center of Kiev, on January 22, 2014

    http://news.yahoo.com/photos/pro-eu-ukrainians-protest-in-kiev-1385315896-slideshow/


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    « Reply #11 on: January 30, 2014, 03:10:51 AM »
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  • Canada’s ambassador for religious freedom told reporters that the government of Viktor Yanukovych is targeting the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church for persecution.

    The Globe and Mail reported that Ambassador Andrew P. W. Bennett compared the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church to a “canary in a coal mine” and that persecution of other churches may ensue as well.

    “The churches in Ukraine have tremendous respect among the people and their legitimacy has been enhanced through all of this,” said Bennett, “so to have a law that restricts the role of the churches and actually violates their religious freedoms and their ability to pursue legitimate pastoral outreach to the people is completely unacceptable.”

    “Canada strongly condemns the deplorable use of violence against protesters by Ukrainian authorities,” continued Bennett, according to a Canadian government press release. “Canada strongly supports the Ukrainian people, who have spoken out courageously in support of a free and democratic Ukraine.”

    “Canada notes the important and crucial role played by the clergy and faithful of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church and many other religious leaders during the past weeks in encouraging dialogue between all parties and praying for peace in Ukraine,” he added. “Canada will consider all options going forward to make clear that we stand with those who seek to build a peaceful, democratic and prosperous future for Ukrainians.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20333

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    « Reply #12 on: January 30, 2014, 11:44:47 AM »
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  • So there is a current within the protesters that has declared itself neo-nαzιs and hates Jєωs and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and that's why it doesn't want anything to do with the UN. However, it is supporting the protests which are backing the UN and against Russia. No one pointed this out here. I think it is suspicious. Why would the neo-nαzιs hate Putin and the UN but support the protests? I think that the unrest in Ukraine is being fueled by Zionists who are upset with Putin but that is just my superficial opinion.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #13 on: January 30, 2014, 06:32:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    That is terrible.   Next it will be here in America.

    They are pushing for one world Masonic satanic religion.


    Pay close attention.  
    In order to receive an exemption during trial the nuns were mandated to sign a docuмent stating that they refuse to pay for the healthcare mandate.
    Why not just grant them the exemption if the matter is still being litigated?
     :scratchchin: :scratchchin: :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 04:02:38 AM »
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  • Archbishop Charles J. Chaput of Philadelphia called on Catholics to pray for the Church in Ukraine during the country's recent crisis and to support U.S. restrictions on its political and business leaders.

    “Silence from the United States encourages oppression in Ukraine. We can't let that happen, again, to fellow believers who bore so much suffering for so many decades,” Archbishop Chaput said Jan. 30.

    The archbishop said that conditions in Ukraine had improved after the fall of Communism. However, the country’s leaders, beginning in late 2013 “cracked down heavily on demonstrations and dissent, killing some protesters and arresting hundreds of others.”

    “Christians in Ukraine – Catholics, Orthodox and others – have not been silent. The Church's people and leaders have played a major role in denouncing government violence, political repression and corruption,” he said.

    “Ukrainian Catholic clergy have given vital pastoral care to those demonstrating for human rights and democratic principles. And they've been targeted by the government for doing so.”

    The Ukraine demonstrations, centered in the capital of Kiev, originally began after the government's Nov. 21 announcement that it would not sign a major economic partnership agreement with the European Union. Since then protesters have occupied government buildings, at times filling the capital with more than 100,000 people.

    The demonstrations have produced iconic images of Christian priests and monks standing between protesters and security forces dressed in riot gear.

    Several protesters have been killed in the clashes, while hundreds have been injured. Several police have also been killed.

    Ukrainians in the Kiev area and in western Ukraine tend to favor the European Union, while those in the Russian-speaking east tend to have an affinity for Russia. However, protests have begun to spread to the east, where President Viktor Yanukovych’s strongest support is based.

    Archbishop Chaput said that Eastern and Western Catholics belong to “one Church…bound together by a common faith in Jesus Christ.” He said that while the suffering of Polish Catholics under Communism is well-known because of Pope John Paul II’s resistance, the 50 years of Soviet persecution of Ukrainian Greek Catholics was “even more brutal.”

    The archbishop endorsed the Wall Street Journal’s recommendation of a visa ban on Ukrainian political and business leaders and the freezing of their U.S.-based assets. He also voiced his solidarity with Ukrainian Catholic Archbishop Stefan Soroka, head of the Archeparchy of Philadelphia.

    Archbishop Soroka’s Jan. 19 statement, signed by three other leaders of Ukrainian Greek Catholics in the U.S., voiced “great concern” about the reports of government officials’ threats and intimidation of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. The statement warned that people dedicated to “oppressive and repressive ideologies” continue to have “inordinate control” in Ukraine and are a danger to “people of all faiths.”

    The bishops warned that Ukraine can be regarded as “the stage for the re-imposition of specific ideologies of control and repression.”

    “We share the amazement of the civilized world in observing the harsh and brutal responses of the Ukrainian government to our Church and to people expressing their concerns for the welfare of their neighbors and their nation,” they said.

    They called for steadfast prayers for the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in Ukraine, asking that God “sustains their courage to speak the truths all of us need to hear.” The U.S. bishops asked for assistance and vigilance to ensure that “all oppression is widely exposed and doomed to failure.”

    They also called upon “all freedom-loving individuals” to “pray and support the cause of religious freedom in Ukraine and in countries where such basic freedoms are suppressed.”

    he bishops gave their “complete confidence and support” to Patriarch Sviatoslav, the head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, and all bishops, clergy, religious and faithful of the Church in the Ukraine providing pastoral care to the demonstrators.

    “Their response of love and understanding and nurture recalls for all the compassion which Jesus showed for the oppressed,” the message said.

    Archbishop Chaput praised the bishops' statement, calling it “a privilege to join my own voice, and the voice of the people and clergy of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, to the voice of Archbishop Soroka and the Ukrainian Catholic community.”

    He said that Archbishop Soroka has called for Catholics and other Americans to support “the struggle for religious and civil liberties in Ukraine.”

    “We can do that first and most importantly by prayer – and then by contacting our elected representatives,” he said.

    The situation in Ukraine is still changing. On Jan. 28, Prime Minister Mykola Azarov and his cabinet resigned in hopes of advancing a compromise. Parliament has voted overwhelmingly to annul controversial anti-protest laws and has also approved a bill granting amnesty to detained protesters.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archbishop-urges-prayer-for-targeted-ukraine-christians/