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  • Zionist shills get $3000/month. And flat earth shills pay $3?
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  • I don't own it myself but I didn't know about short videos that explain it.  I had only seen longer ones. 

    Still I just wanted to share the model with you.

    Sorry Miser, I never thought that you were selling it. I was just pointing out that the developer wants to make money from it.
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  • Globe earth'ers are like protestants:  They want to understand Traditional Catholicism in less than an hour, "or else I won't convert".  Explain to me "the entire Catholic point of view, perfectly, or else it's stupid".  That's not patient thinking.  Not mature thinking.  Not Catholic thinking.

    This is true and I've wondered about it myself.

    I think there is a lot to process with both topics:

    -Realizing you have been lied to or at least misled.

    -Feeling like I'm dumb (when no one is they were just misled)

    -What would my friends and family think if they found out I believe this?

    -The five stages of grief.
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  • Because they're being hidden. I had to use Duck, Duck, Go video search and they came up. Google/YouTube hides this stuff.


    Again, what exactly are they afraid of?

    I mean with "medical misinformation" they can make the (false) excuse that the information could harm somebody.

    What harm could FE cause?

    I mean they aren't afraid of people believing they are boys when they are actually girls.

    Everyone is free to make up their own META world or become furries or whatever.

    Why oh why, are they afraid of people wanting to believe they live on a flat earth?

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  • The app is $3. As PT Barnum used to say, “there’s a sucker born every minute and two to take him”
    Here's a free one I have on my phone 
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.OProjects.FLS
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  • Globe earth'ers are like protestants:  They want to understand Traditional Catholicism in less than an hour, "or else I won't convert".  Explain to me "the entire Catholic point of view, perfectly, or else it's stupid".  That's not patient thinking.  Not mature thinking.  Not Catholic thinking.
    Or, even, all of the years it has taken us to come to terms with the Crisis in the Church and expecting a CliffNotes of all of it. Not taking into account the answers that have yet to be solved (Pope question, anyone?) and then declaring Catholicism false because of it.
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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

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  • I was just pointing out that the developer wants to make money from it.

    So did/does the publisher of each and every book you own, no matter how spiritual the subject matter.  Why?  Because the book didn't print itself.  Am I a "sucker" because I paid a lot of hard-earned money for myriad quality products throughout my life?  No.

    FWIW, the "free" apps aren't truly free, either; they're monetized via ads catered to your habits, etc., or produced by The Machine whose resources are limitless.

    Making money off the fruit of actual labor is hardly new or criminal.  Don't want to spend a single, solitary dime on FE research?  All good.  I didn't, yet had zero difficulty finding whatever information I sought.
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  • Can anyone who believes in FE provide any answers to the questions asked in this video? Thanks.




    This has been discussed in the other threads.

    Here is a question to consider for starters though:

    How is it possible that millions of people are running out and taking a gene editing serum and now boosters which doesn't protect them from infection or transmission and is causing thousands of deaths and millions of debilitating side effects?

    How is it possible that thousands of doctors are prescribing this and politicians and CEO's are mandating it's use?

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  • I don’t think I’m going to debate this anymore until FE adherents present a logical working model that has a scale in miles or kilometers and accounts for the movements of the Sun, the Moon, eclipses, time zones, planets, comets, tides, etcetera.
    This is my biggest problem with FE. Any given model you find that seems to solve one problem creates another. I figure that the earth is round but that there's no reason we have to assume that absolutely all of the 'science' surrounding it is true. It seems like people on here think you have to be a flat earther to be skeptical of NASA. They post one obvious fake and suddenly think it's a gotcha moment.

    Why should we trust our government or the scientists on everything? We obviously shouldn't lol. But at the same time the round earth model answers a lot more of my questions than flat earth does. It always bothers me when people try to redirect with "uhhh it's a new theory, we don't have all the answers yet" or "you clearly don't understand the first thing about flat earth if you're asking this!"

    Or better yet, "you roundies need to be spoonfed everything!" And then they proceed to either not give a model, or give another non-working model...

    Maybe I need to be spoonfed anyways. Everyone seems to think that you must be completely brainwashed to believe this. I was taught about round earth in school. A lot of stuff that the schools teach is total brainwash. Help me out here, I am willing to hear people out. Please explain to me how it works. It always feels kinda dishonest when people avoid that side of the topic.

    If you are that convinced about FE, I would love to see why. Random videos debating the curvature of the earth or blurry shape shifting 'stars' are not helping me at all here...

    I like to be able to understand HOW something works. This matter is not one where God told us to just trust Him, it isn't really meant to be a mystery. It's something we can study, and come up with conclusions for, and to some degree understand. Nobody seems to be able to produce a model of flat earth that makes sense on a basic level.

    The sun setting and rising is a viewable event that happens every single day without fail. On a round earth, it makes sense how this happens at different times in different locations, and how it always disappears /below/ the horizon. I always picture the sun just ZOOMING off into the distance, in a curved path, getting steadily smaller on the FE models lol...

    We can actually observe (as amateur astronomers, with our own home telescopes) what it looks like when there is a solar eclipse on Jupiter. Jupiter is clearly round. The moons of Jupiter cast visible and predictable shadows that we can see from earth onto Jupiter's surface. Why do we think the earth is flat and has mystery eclipses again? Why would it be so different from Jupiter?

    I just don't really get it. I wish I could see a model that made sense to me. All the name calling and stuff seems so unnecessary. If we had a real model it would make sense on a level I think more people could accept. Instead we have each side 'proving' that the other side is objectively wrong with random YouTube videos. I don't have the answers for why those videos contradict round earth, but nobody else does either!

    I really do want to understand why everyone seems to believe in this but it always seems to end with cheap gotchas where hard questions are ignored. I am sure the round earthers do the same to a degree but at the same time at least the round earth can answer a whole lot of the questions, though maybe not all of them.

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  • This is my biggest problem with FE. Any given model you find that seems to solve one problem creates another. I figure that the earth is round but that there's no reason we have to assume that absolutely all of the 'science' surrounding it is true. It seems like people on here think you have to be a flat earther to be skeptical of NASA. They post one obvious fake and suddenly think it's a gotcha moment.

    Why should we trust our government or the scientists on everything? We obviously shouldn't lol. But at the same time the round earth model answers a lot more of my questions than flat earth does. It always bothers me when people try to redirect with "uhhh it's a new theory, we don't have all the answers yet" or "you clearly don't understand the first thing about flat earth if you're asking this!"

    Or better yet, "you roundies need to be spoonfed everything!" And then they proceed to either not give a model, or give another non-working model...

    Maybe I need to be spoonfed anyways. Everyone seems to think that you must be completely brainwashed to believe this. I was taught about round earth in school. A lot of stuff that the schools teach is total brainwash. Help me out here, I am willing to hear people out. Please explain to me how it works. It always feels kinda dishonest when people avoid that side of the topic.

    If you are that convinced about FE, I would love to see why. Random videos debating the curvature of the earth or blurry shape shifting 'stars' are not helping me at all here...

    I like to be able to understand HOW something works. This matter is not one where God told us to just trust Him, it isn't really meant to be a mystery. It's something we can study, and come up with conclusions for, and to some degree understand. Nobody seems to be able to produce a model of flat earth that makes sense on a basic level.

    The sun setting and rising is a viewable event that happens every single day without fail. On a round earth, it makes sense how this happens at different times in different locations, and how it always disappears /below/ the horizon. I always picture the sun just ZOOMING off into the distance, in a curved path, getting steadily smaller on the FE models lol...

    We can actually observe (as amateur astronomers, with our own home telescopes) what it looks like when there is a solar eclipse on Jupiter. Jupiter is clearly round. The moons of Jupiter cast visible and predictable shadows that we can see from earth onto Jupiter's surface. Why do we think the earth is flat and has mystery eclipses again? Why would it be so different from Jupiter?

    I just don't really get it. I wish I could see a model that made sense to me. All the name calling and stuff seems so unnecessary. If we had a real model it would make sense on a level I think more people could accept. Instead we have each side 'proving' that the other side is objectively wrong with random YouTube videos. I don't have the answers for why those videos contradict round earth, but nobody else does either!

    I really do want to understand why everyone seems to believe in this but it always seems to end with cheap gotchas where hard questions are ignored. I am sure the round earthers do the same to a degree but at the same time at least the round earth can answer a whole lot of the questions, though maybe not all of them.
    I'm trying to stay away from the more heated FE stuff so my mind doesn't swell (everyone else should look out for this too lol) but "roundie" is a good one.
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  • I would also like to say that for all the grief Miser Peccator always gets, she's like the most charitable FE proponent by a country mile. Miser, I don't necessarily agree with everything that you believe in, but I genuinely appreciate the level of charity and patience you have for the other people on this board. My above post does not apply to you at all lol. 


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  • Yes, they're crude, but, here's the thing: FE adherents have to pretty much build up this edifice on their own against that of the heliocentric-globe model that has had about 500+ years to develop and indoctrinate the whole world. You're asking for something that is still being built.

    I'm also not sure what exactly you have in mind here, it's almost like you're asking for the entire package to drop into your lap with a bow.
    The fun thing is that this is all nothing new. Early civilizations believed the world was flat. Other early high civilizations like the ancient Greeks pondered about the same question and empirically proved that the Earth we live on is a sphere. Until ~1900 nobody seriously considered flat Earth to be a possibility, let alone developed models for it.

    The Greeks didn't have complex instruments or NASA fakery going on, they used simple experiments and rational thought. They found that you can independently prove with the Moon, with the Sun and with the stars/firmament that Earth is in fact a globe.

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  • The fun thing is that this is all nothing new. Early civilizations believed the world was flat. Other early high civilizations like the ancient Greeks pondered about the same question and empirically proved that the Earth we live on is a sphere. Until ~1900 nobody seriously considered flat Earth to be a possibility, let alone developed models for it.

    The Greeks didn't have complex instruments or NASA fakery going on, they used simple experiments and rational thought. They found that you can independently prove with the Moon, with the Sun and with the stars/firmament that Earth is in fact a globe.
    Yes, I agree with this as well and I am glad you made this point. Not only that but also: the previous civilizations were able to find working models for round earth with considerably less sophisticated technology available to them. Are we really saying that nobody can demonstrate a flat earth model with the technology available to everyone now?

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  • This is my biggest problem with FE. Any given model you find that seems to solve one problem creates another. I figure that the earth is round but that there's no reason we have to assume that absolutely all of the 'science' surrounding it is true. It seems like people on here think you have to be a flat earther to be skeptical of NASA. They post one obvious fake and suddenly think it's a gotcha moment.

    Why should we trust our government or the scientists on everything? We obviously shouldn't lol. But at the same time the round earth model answers a lot more of my questions than flat earth does. It always bothers me when people try to redirect with "uhhh it's a new theory, we don't have all the answers yet" or "you clearly don't understand the first thing about flat earth if you're asking this!"

    Or better yet, "you roundies need to be spoonfed everything!" And then they proceed to either not give a model, or give another non-working model...

    Maybe I need to be spoonfed anyways. Everyone seems to think that you must be completely brainwashed to believe this. I was taught about round earth in school. A lot of stuff that the schools teach is total brainwash. Help me out here, I am willing to hear people out. Please explain to me how it works. It always feels kinda dishonest when people avoid that side of the topic.

    If you are that convinced about FE, I would love to see why. Random videos debating the curvature of the earth or blurry shape shifting 'stars' are not helping me at all here...

    I like to be able to understand HOW something works. This matter is not one where God told us to just trust Him, it isn't really meant to be a mystery. It's something we can study, and come up with conclusions for, and to some degree understand. Nobody seems to be able to produce a model of flat earth that makes sense on a basic level.

    The sun setting and rising is a viewable event that happens every single day without fail. On a round earth, it makes sense how this happens at different times in different locations, and how it always disappears /below/ the horizon. I always picture the sun just ZOOMING off into the distance, in a curved path, getting steadily smaller on the FE models lol...

    We can actually observe (as amateur astronomers, with our own home telescopes) what it looks like when there is a solar eclipse on Jupiter. Jupiter is clearly round. The moons of Jupiter cast visible and predictable shadows that we can see from earth onto Jupiter's surface. Why do we think the earth is flat and has mystery eclipses again? Why would it be so different from Jupiter?

    I just don't really get it. I wish I could see a model that made sense to me. All the name calling and stuff seems so unnecessary. If we had a real model it would make sense on a level I think more people could accept. Instead we have each side 'proving' that the other side is objectively wrong with random YouTube videos. I don't have the answers for why those videos contradict round earth, but nobody else does either!

    I really do want to understand why everyone seems to believe in this but it always seems to end with cheap gotchas where hard questions are ignored. I am sure the round earthers do the same to a degree but at the same time at least the round earth can answer a whole lot of the questions, though maybe not all of them.


    Like a Protestant learning about the Catholic Faith, it's really a matter of searching for the information one piece of the puzzle at a time.

    Debates don't usually cause an instant "conversion" and can produce more heat than light with each side digging in their heals and finding any little thing to distract from the truth.

    I put information into files such as:
    I know this is obviously true
    This could be true
    This is probably not true
    I don't believe that at all

    and keep adding more evidence as I go.

    There is always more to learn for years to come.

    I still have questions and learn new things about the shape of the earth theory and the Catholic Faith everyday.
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  • Yes, I agree with this as well and I am glad you made this point. Not only that but also: the previous civilizations were able to find working models for round earth with considerably less sophisticated technology available to them. Are we really saying that nobody can demonstrate a flat earth model with the technology available to everyone now?
    I don't think those FE models are bad at all considering some of the bizarre inconsistencies put out by NASA and others.

    Previous civilizations also had very detailed descriptions and drawings of the FE models which Digital Logos has posted before.  Also those pagan cultures from around the world all came up with the same model somehow.
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