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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
« Reply #180 on: December 14, 2021, 07:54:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 14, 2021, 06:45:16 PM
    Just because flat earthers haven't come up with 100% of the answers doesn't mean their questions/points are wrong.  It can take DECADES for the truth to surface, especially when it's been artificially submerged by a global conspiracy.  Look at the topics of the Crusades or the Inquisition.  People still rattle off "facts" that aren't true.

    Frankly, flat Earth adherents have come up with very few cogent arguments that support their position. Most of what you consider arguments are really just *somewhat* reasonable disputations that try to punch holes in the Global Earth model. What you and others are really doing is trying to debunk the global Earth model and have no interest in building a FE model that replaces it. So, what is HUGELY lacking is a logical and comprehensive model that explains how a flat Earth works. You don’t have it, whereas, global Earth models have been around for centuries and they make sense and they work logically and precisely.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #181 on: December 14, 2021, 08:23:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 14, 2021, 07:32:55 PM
    Regardless, did you watch the video? How do you refute what he claims about the moon? Everyone of us can observe and comprehend this simple demonstration. Do you have an answer for it?
    The moon is a light, so we naturally only see the face of the moon. Although I am uncertain, the moon may not be a spherical object but may well be convex or concave having from it's distance the appearance of being globular when it is not.  The reason we all see one side is because only one side is lit and the moon is high enough for all to see the lit side at the same time because it's lit.  Admittedly, that is only a guess, but the guy in the video has not answered any flat earth contentions, either, so...

    By the way, did you know that the moon rolls like a wheel over the night sky?  I've taken the time to take photos throughout the entirety of it's journey and the features of the moon do not stay stationary.  The "wheel in the sky" moon rolling is clearly evident in this video of the eclipse.  Speed through this time lapse and watch the shadow roll with the moon, starting on one side and winding up on the other, up and over the top of the moon...while the features of the moon also roll around the top and wind up on the opposite side by the end of the video.  What answer do the globers have for that?   The kid in the video is not a flat earther, just a star/moon gazer who charted the recent eclipse.   



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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #182 on: December 14, 2021, 08:39:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 14, 2021, 07:54:29 PM
    Frankly, flat Earth adherents have come up with very few cogent arguments that support their position.

    I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense.  You dismiss these as non-"cogent" because of your prior bias and for no other reason.  They have tons of evidence vs. the scant evidence of the globers (primarily "appeals to authority").  When you can see things miles away and in some cases hundreds of miles away that absolutely should not be visible on a globe, that's pretty "cogent".  When you consider the fact that a vacuum would absolutely "suck" the atmosphere right off the planet if it weren't contained, there's really no doubt whatsoever that the earth is flat and covered by a firmament.  And those are only two of the core ones in my mind.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #183 on: December 14, 2021, 08:43:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2021, 08:39:47 PM
    I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense.  You dismiss these as non-"cogent" because of your prior bias and for no other reason.  They have tons of evidence vs. the scant evidence of the globers (primarily "appeals to authority").  When you can see things miles away and in some cases hundreds of miles away that absolutely should not be visible on a globe, that's pretty "cogent".  When you consider the fact that a vacuum would absolutely "suck" the atmosphere right off the planet if it weren't contained, there's really no doubt whatsoever that the earth is flat and covered by a firmament.  And those are only two of the core ones in my mind.


    Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2021, 11:08:00 AM
    But even for me, there was initially huge skepticism regarding flat earth due to the programming.  But I decided to give it a chance and start looking at the evidence.  It got to a point that it was basically impossible to refute.

    Where is your point, Ladislaus, which is basically impossible to refute?

    So far you decided to go obscurantist, for the past nearly ten days!
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #184 on: December 14, 2021, 08:43:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2021, 08:39:47 PM
    I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense.  You dismiss these as non-"cogent" because of your prior bias and for no other reason.  They have tons of evidence vs. the scant evidence of the globers (primarily "appeals to authority").  When you can see things miles away and in some cases hundreds of miles away that absolutely should not be visible on a globe, that's pretty "cogent".  When you consider the fact that a vacuum would absolutely "suck" the atmosphere right off the planet if it weren't contained, there's really no doubt whatsoever that the earth is flat and covered by a firmament.  And those are only two of the core ones in my mind.
    "Few cogent arguments"

    Here's a playlist of proofs. It will take about 30 minutes to watch them all. These are not straws being grasped at here, but legitimate problems raised about the absurdity of a globe earth.

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLimb_UpOKm97RBTHJ_ehaz2W-wNOnTkrl
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #185 on: December 14, 2021, 08:44:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on December 13, 2021, 08:18:40 PM
    It's called Azimuthal equidistant projection and is a way of mapping a sphere onto a flat circle:

    Nah, your reference to it as mapping a sphere onto a flat circle is begging the question.  What's at issues is whether the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection is in fact reality, and the question about why it's used by all these NOW Masonic Luceferian organizations (why don't they just use a globe) hints at the idea that the earth is flat and they're keeping it from the public as part of their Illumanati conspiracy.  That's the very point of their gnostic "Illuminatism", they they keep true knowledge to themselves while deceiving the masses, whom they consider unworthy of knowing the truth ... and also try to deceive them to ruin their faith and their souls.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #186 on: December 14, 2021, 08:45:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 14, 2021, 08:43:13 PM

    Where is your point, Ladislaus, which is basically impossible to refute?

    So far you decided to go obscurantist, for the past nearly ten days!

    Sorry, but THIS^^^ us all you get from these clowns.  You brainwashed simpletons filter out real solid evidence as "obscure" and non-"cogent" simply because you're filtering them out.  You refuse to look at the issue with an open mind.  You simply DECLARE it to be invalid.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #187 on: December 14, 2021, 08:46:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2021, 08:45:26 PM
    Sorry, but THIS^^^ us all you get from these clowns.

    Name your point, which is "basically impossible to refute"!
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #188 on: December 14, 2021, 08:48:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 14, 2021, 08:46:50 PM
    Name your point, which is "basically impossible to refute"!

    I've named them at least a dozen times on this thread and posted links.  You gratuitously declare them invalid and dismiss them with a wave of your hand.  
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #189 on: December 14, 2021, 08:48:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2021, 08:45:26 PM
    Sorry, but THIS^^^ us all you get from these clowns.

    You also said, you'd watch and comment on the ham radio guy video.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #190 on: December 14, 2021, 08:49:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2021, 08:48:16 PM
    I've named them at least a dozen times on this thread and posted links.  You gratuitously declare them invalid and dismiss them with a wave of your hand. 

    Please, name your one point (not dozens of videos), which is "impossible to refute"!
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #191 on: December 14, 2021, 08:50:52 PM »
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    • And please then add: "This is my point, which I deem basically impossible to refute!"
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #192 on: December 14, 2021, 08:52:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 14, 2021, 05:45:15 PM

    I think I’m starting to understand one of the main reasons why so many serious and intelligent Catholics on Cathinfo are becoming convinced of the flat Earth theory. I believe that they have *almost* exclusively watched FE videos or read FE literature with the near exclusion of the oppositions arguments.

    False.  I've watched all the pro-globe stuff I could find over the past two years, and 90% of it is utter garbage, and much of it deceitful.  Flat Earthers tear most of these videos to pieces.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #193 on: December 14, 2021, 08:55:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 14, 2021, 08:50:52 PM
    And please then add: "This is my point, which I deem basically impossible to refute!"

    I've cited "Mountain of Evidence" at least a half dozen times now.  And I have named them, seeing too far and the fact that the atmosphere isn't "sucked" off the planet while being adjacent to a vacuum.  I've seen dozens if not hundreds of demonstrations of seeing too far based on globe curvature math.  Now, if you wanted to argue that as a result we live on a globe that's actually 10x bigger than they claim, then you could get away with the math.  But not given the dimensions of the globe as claimed by science.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #194 on: December 14, 2021, 08:58:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2021, 08:55:53 PM
    I've cited "Mountain of Evidence" at least a half dozen times now.  And I have named them, seeing too far and the fact that the atmosphere isn't "sucked" off the planet while being adjacent to a vacuum.  I've seen dozens if not hundreds of demonstrations of seeing too far based on globe curvature math.  Now, if you wanted to argue that as a result we live on a globe that's actually 10x bigger than they claim, then you could get away with the math.  But not given the dimensions of the globe as claimed by science.


    I see, so you base this on your idea that gravity doesn't exist, and consequently atmosphere would be "sucked" off the planet.
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