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  • Have any of you explained the "Mountain of Evidence" video yet?  Or bothered to watch it?

    Who made it and where can it be found? Thank you.
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  • Forlorn, again, this is a question of words, definitions and semantics.

    Is the globe round?  Of course.
    Is the globe just the flat land?  No, not in my opinion.
    What is the globe?  It could be defined as the world, which includes the earth/land, sky/heavens, firmament, sun/moon/planets.  That is, a dome-globe, dome-earth model.

    Did the pagans use the word 'globe' to talk about land only?  Yes, it appears so.
    Did the Middle Ages use the world 'globe' to mean the earth/land or all of creation?  I don't think it's consistently used in one way.

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    Illustration of the spherical Earth in a 14th-century copy of L'Image du monde (c. 1246)
    Bishop Isidore of Sevilla (560–636):

    https://www.newadvent.org/summa/2054.htm
    Quote from: Thomas Aquinas
    Reply to Objection 2. The physicist proves the earth to be round by one means, the astronomer by another: for the latter proves this by means of mathematics, e.g. by the shapes of eclipses, or something of the sort; while the former proves it by means of physics, e.g. by the movement of heavy bodies towards the center, and so forth. Now the whole force of a demonstration, which is "a syllogism producing science," as stated in Poster. i, text. 5, depends on the mean. And consequently various means are as so many active principles, in respect of which the habits of science are distinguished.
    (Note how he's not even arguing or a round Earth here; he takes it for granted that the reader already knows and agrees with this. Further demonstrating it was the widely held belief).
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    12th-century depiction of a spherical Earth with the four seasons (book Liber Divinorum Operum by Hildegard of Bingen)
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    Picture from a 1550 edition of On the Sphere of the World, the most influential astronomy textbook of 13th-century Europe.




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  • Things disappear bottom up as they leave the vision range of the whatever level of magnification you're at.  That's just the limits of vision and perspective.  I've seen this exact thing replicated by Flat Earthers, who then simply increase the magnification and bring the entire thing back into view.  There's no indication regarding the level of magnification, distance of the object, the device used to film it, etc.  Why was there no attempt whatsoever to increase the zoom level?  Because if the device had the capability, then it would have brought the boat back.  This is the most thoroughly debunked of all the globe earth "proofs" and still you ignorantly cling to it.

    Again, no disrespect intended, as you know I value your knowledge and perspective, but this is patently false. Ask yourself: how do you know that these non-Catholic Flat Earthers aren’t faking their videos for hits or simply to fool people?

    BTW, there is a lake near me that is 5 miles wide and 21 miles long. if you look from the shore on the long side you can see the Sun “set” without seeing the land, but if you go out on a boat, the land becomes visible the further you go out. I’ve experienced this myself without a telescope nor binoculars. I’ve also seen Pikes Peek come into view from the top down driving East to West from the Kansas border to Colorado Springs.

    People who believe in the flat Earth theory need to have a much better explanation for this common observation. Remember, just because the government and NASA lie does not necessarily mean that the Earth is not a globe (not snow globe).
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  • Quote from: Thomas Aquinas
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    Reply to Objection 2. The physicist proves the earth to be round by one means, the astronomer by another: for the latter proves this by means of mathematics, e.g. by the shapes of eclipses, or something of the sort; while the former proves it by means of physics, e.g. by the movement of heavy bodies towards the center, and so forth. Now the whole force of a demonstration, which is "a syllogism producing science," as stated in Poster. i, text. 5, depends on the mean. And consequently various means are as so many active principles, in respect of which the habits of science are distinguished.

    (Note how he's not even arguing or a round Earth here; he takes it for granted that the reader already knows and agrees with this. Further demonstrating it was the widely held belief).

    St. Thomas' words are "terra est rotunda..."   This in no way proves he believed the earth is a globe and we are living upon the surface thereof.


    "...terra est rotunda..."

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rotunda

    ro·tun·da | \ rō-ˈtən-də \

    Definition of rotunda

    1a round building especially one covered by a dome

    2aa large round room
    ba large central area (as in a hotel)

    Cassell's Latin Dictionary defines "rotundus" as:

    round, circular, complete, self-contained, sometimes spherical.
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  • (Note how he's not even arguing or a round Earth here; he takes it for granted that the reader already knows and agrees with this. Further demonstrating it was the widely held belief).

    St. Thomas' words are "terra est rotunda..."  This in no way proves he believed the earth is a globe and we are living upon the surface thereof.


    "...terra est rotunda..."

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rotunda

    ro·tun·da | \ rō-ˈtən-də \

    Definition of rotunda

    1: a round building especially : one covered by a dome

    2a: a large round room
    b: a large central area (as in a hotel)

    Cassell's Latin Dictionary defines "rotundus" as:

    round, circular, complete, self-contained, sometimes spherical.
    It's impossible for him to have been saying that astronomers were proving the Earth to be round and circular because no astronomers believe that in the era.

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  • Water is flat. The oceans are not curved.

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  • I will watch now with my wife. I'll give you some thoughts on it later.
    Ok, I watched your vid Lad. The thing is, the area it covered and the scenario it laid out is actually what I agree with and thought it totally is a convincing argument. The problem with FE isn't what I agree/am convinced with but moreso what I'm unconvinced by, which is namely... 
    1) Low elevation scenarios like QvD's lake
    2) Sun movement 

    That was actually a great video because all of the sources are independently verifiable, that "peak" software was VERY interesting. Wife definitely enjoyed it too and definitely sees it s well thought-out.

    Water is flat. The oceans are not curved.


    Cera, I'm going to watch your content next. It might be midweek or on the weekend as I'm very busy but I won't forget because I'm genuinely curious and highly motivated to find the truth, no matter what it is. I really don't have a horse in the race but this forum has got me questioning the globe model.
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  • Forlorn, thanks for the pictures, but they prove my point - it's ridiculous.

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    Regarding the exact same portion of the moon: We always see the same side, correct. This is called a tidal lock, the Moon's rotation is coupled to it's orbit duration:
    See, you're assuming that the moon orbits AROUND the earth.  Even St Bede didn't describe this.  He described the sun and moon following 2, separate 30 day paths OVER the earth, not around it.


    You people see St Bede using "sphere" and then don't read the rest of his explanations.


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    Have any of you explained the "Mountain of Evidence" video yet?  Or bothered to watch it?
    It's a great video, easy test to understand, easy test to replicate.  Where's the curvature??? 

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  • For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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  • I just started listening to Bill Meara's Soldersmoke podcast (https://www.soldersmoke.com/) -- I'm on episode 4 out of 234.

    http://www.soldersmoke.com/soldersmoke4.mp3

    Anyhow, from 8:00 - 13:00 thereabouts, they're talking about the ubiquitous 18-inch dishes, how they point, they don't seem to point to space, how in Alaska you need a much bigger dish for some reason (to focus RADIO waves better from that further-away terrestrial tower?? He doesn't say that, but that's the implication)

    These are not Flat Earthers of course, just a couple of smart Hams. Bill Meara is famous as a "homebrewer" (he makes his own radios, etc. from individual components), author, and podcaster. He has spent a ton of time travelling around the world, and lived in some exotic locations, so I'll be keeping my ears open.
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  • That is circuмstantial evidence at best.

    It was put forth as a question.  What is your answer?  Do you not find it more than a little strange, especially when we consider the enemies always tell us the truth, albeit in often less-than-straightforward ways?
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