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Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2021, 01:49:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 11, 2021, 01:38:42 PM
    Frankly, the passage demonstrates nothing about St. Thomas' precise thoughts, or about what is or is not true.

    Hey, I just gave the citation for what I thought Xavier was referring to.

    I don't really have a dispute with you.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #61 on: December 11, 2021, 02:04:46 PM »
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    • "...terra est rotunda..."

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rotunda

    ro·tun·da | \ rō-ˈtən-də \

    Definition of rotunda

    1: a round building especially : one covered by a dome

    2a: a large round room
    b: a large central area (as in a hotel)

    Cassell's Latin Dictionary defines "rotundus" as:

    round, circular, complete, self-contained, sometimes spherical.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #62 on: December 11, 2021, 02:05:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stanley N on December 11, 2021, 01:49:14 PM
    Hey, I just gave the citation for what I thought Xavier was referring to.

    I don't really have a dispute with you.

    Thank you and my apologies if I misread your tone and/or intent.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #63 on: December 11, 2021, 02:30:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 11, 2021, 09:51:04 AM
    In case you missed it...

    On CI, every single hour we are frying all sorts of fish that are not de fide, often not even close, but that doesn't seem to discourage anyone.

    Knowing whether we are living on a flat plane within an enclosed sphere or upon the surface of the sphere itself is and should be of MASSIVE interest to anyone who loves truth, revealed or otherwise.  If it doesn't interest you, fair enough.

    One has to admit -- unlike Sedevacantism, which is a waste of time/fruitless because it CAN'T be proven once-and-for-all through experimentation, Flat Earth is something completely in the natural sphere. So there should be some tests, thought exercises, research, etc. that a layman could do at home to reach some kind of conclusion.

    If there is something that we could figure out by arguing, it would be natural-level topics like the Holo**** or globe/flat earth. Throw around facts, reason, arguments, evidence, and see who wins.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #64 on: December 11, 2021, 02:47:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 11, 2021, 02:30:53 PM
    One has to admit Flat Earth is something completely in the natural sphere. So there should be some tests, thought exercises, research, etc. that a layman could do at home to reach some kind of conclusion.

    Indeed, which is also demonstrated by the fact that countless people without the supernatural virtue of Faith are discussing the topic with little to no reference to Revelation.  Can the discussion include Revelation?  Sure, but it isn't absolutely required in order to reach some solid conclusions.  We can know certain things about God from the proper use of unaided reason; the Vatican Council of 1870 anathematizes the contrary idea.  The same can be said about the world He has created.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #65 on: December 11, 2021, 02:54:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 11, 2021, 11:57:43 AM
    You are appealing to something as evidence as if it were an established truth; it is not -- far, far from it.

    Indeed, most Flat Earthers do not believe what we're told by the scientific establishment about OTHER "planets" either.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #66 on: December 11, 2021, 02:57:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 11, 2021, 08:50:45 AM
    That's what you say now, after I corrected you. Your original statement was:



    You denied the existence of gravity, and claimed that Tesla and Einstein didn't believe in gravity, too.

    :fryingpan:  :fryingpan:  :fryingpan:

    For the fourth time now, we can loosely use the term gravity to refer to the "phenomenon" we observe (whereby you drop something and it falls down to the earth) and then the mechanism behind (or scientific explanation of) said phenomenon.  We obviously concede that it exists as a phenomenon, but do not concede the Newtonian notion of it being some kind of independent "force".
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #67 on: December 11, 2021, 03:23:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 11, 2021, 02:57:16 PM
    For the fourth time now, we can loosely use the term gravity to refer to the "phenomenon" we observe (whereby you drop something and it falls down to the earth) and then the mechanism behind (or scientific explanation of) said phenomenon.  We obviously concede that it exists as a phenomenon, but do not concede the Newtonian notion of it being some kind of independent "force".

    No, not true, Ladislaus.

    Gravity is not the same thing as "theory of gravity".

    And the guy in your video is just as much an obscurantist as you are. 

    Twisting the meaning of terms is post modernism, and obscurantism.

    You said that gravity doesn't exist, while it's common sense that gravity exists and that several theories exist which try to explain it.

    What you try to convey is Dubayism and Ladislausism 
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #68 on: December 11, 2021, 03:45:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 11, 2021, 02:30:53 PM
    So there should be some tests, thought exercises, research, etc. that a layman could do at home to reach some kind of conclusion.

    There are.

    For example, the Moon is at first quarter today. That means it's 50-50 light and dark (slightly more light now, was closer to 50-50 earlier today).

    Feel free to check. Mainstream science says the Moon will be close to 50-50 observed from anywhere on Earth during the entire night. Is that what FE predicts?

    If the Moon is illumined by the Sun, 50-50 should mean the Sun-Moon and Moon-Earth lines form a right angle, 90o.

    Thus all you need to do is measure the angle between the Sun-Earth and Moon-Earth lines (ie, the angle between the Sun and Moon as observed from Earth) and you can calculate the ratio between the Sun-Earth distance and the Earth-Moon distance. The Greeks did this over 2000 years ago.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #69 on: December 11, 2021, 03:59:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stanley N on December 11, 2021, 03:45:57 PM
    If the Moon is illumined by the Sun, 50-50 should mean the Sun-Moon and Moon-Earth lines form a right angle, 90o.

    It isn't illuminated by the sun.  It produces its own light, which is why Holy Writ speaks of TWO luminaries, not one. See Genesis 1:14.

    Shine a light on a sphere and see what sort of "reflection" results.  It isn't anything like what is supposedly taking place on the surface of the supposedly-spherical moon.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #70 on: December 11, 2021, 04:38:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 11, 2021, 03:59:49 PM
    It isn't illuminated by the sun.  It produces its own light, which is why Holy Writ speaks of TWO luminaries, not one. See Genesis 1:14.

    Gen 1:14 doesn't require one to believe the moon produces its own light. Do you have any evidence that it does?

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    Shine a light on a sphere and see what sort of "reflection" results.  It isn't anything like what is supposedly taking place on the surface of the supposedly-spherical moon.

    What do you mean by "isn't anything like"? What specific differences?

    Turn on a desk light in a dark room and then observe its illumination on something spherical (eg, an orange) a few feet away. Looks a lot like the phases of the moon to me.

    Be careful to avoid reflection from your hand, if you're holding the orange. That would be is like a phenomena called planetshine. Most planets are not good reflectors but they reflect some and illumine the dark parts of any moons they have.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #71 on: December 11, 2021, 05:22:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 11, 2021, 03:59:49 PM
    It isn't illuminated by the sun.  It produces its own light, which is why Holy Writ speaks of TWO luminaries, not one. See Genesis 1:14.

    Shine a light on a sphere and see what sort of "reflection" results.  It isn't anything like what is supposedly taking place on the surface of the supposedly-spherical moon.

    I must say this is a good point. The full moon doesn't look like a sphere at all, even though the middle of it is jutting out towards us a bit. The tip of the sphere, the point on the sphere closest to the light source, should always get the most light. As you get closer out to the edge, the sunlight is more and more diffused over a large area -- it should be SOMEWHAT darker.

    The full moon does seem to look like a slightly concave mirror -- the whole inside is uniformly bright, from the very center to the outermost edges.

    I never thought about that till now.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #72 on: December 11, 2021, 05:26:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on December 11, 2021, 03:23:13 PM
    What you try to convey is Dubayism and Ladislausism

    Let's not call names, exaggerate, or make it personal. It makes you look like you're losing. Ladislaus is not trying to start any group named after him. He's made some good contributions to this thread, and I'm sure everything he's put forward were not his own personal ideas. What you're doing is akin to name calling. Calling him a cult-starter or something.

    What's next, someone points out the impossibility of cremating VI million people in a short time, the chimneys aren't attached, wooden doors, only discovered in Soviet territory, etc. and that makes you an "anti-s**ite"?

    Let's not use the tactics of the (((you know who's))), and other Elites, here on CathInfo.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #73 on: December 11, 2021, 05:48:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 11, 2021, 05:26:13 PM
    Let's not call names, exaggerate, or make it personal. It makes you look like you're losing. Ladislaus is not trying to start any group named after him. He's made some good contributions to this thread, and I'm sure everything he's put forward were not his own personal ideas. What you're doing is akin to name calling. Calling him a cult-starter or something.

    What's next, someone points out the impossibility of cremating VI million people in a short time, the chimneys aren't attached, wooden doors, only discovered in Soviet territory, etc. and that makes you an "anti-s**ite"?

    Let's not use the tactics of the (((you know who's))), and other Elites, here on CathInfo.

    Ok, Matthew. If even you say so, then I've been too hard on poor Ladislaus and the flat earth crowd. I will try to be more subtle in the future, and stop gassing and burning all them trillions.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #74 on: December 11, 2021, 06:40:57 PM »
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    • Marion and Stanley,
    What are your education/science backgrounds?  I only ask because most of us who are "investigating" flat earth (and there's nothing wrong with "testing things"...see St Paul) are admittedly NOT scientists.  You two, however, argue as if we are ignoring commonly held, indisputable facts.  So what is your personal expertise in the area?  
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