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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Wikipedia says: the earth is 27 miles wider than it is tall. This would amount to 3 millimeters wider for a ball that is 1 meter in diameter, and is too small to see.
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    I think it's perfectly reasonable to reject the photography of NASA if you want to; proofs that the earth is a globe don't depend on NASA anyway. People have believed the earth is round for thousands of years before NASA existed, including Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas, and nearly every educated person in Western civilization since Aristotle.
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    On the contrary, I find it amusing the way flatties use the activities of some corrupt American government organization as an argument about the shape of our planet. :laugh1:

    Good post!
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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  • About 4-5 years ago, when the media started publicizing the idea of a flat earth (aherm, aherm), some guy took this famous picture on the shore of Lake Pontchartrain:
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    Yes, this picture, and others like it, can’t be explained away willy-nilly. Also, what you said in red is what I meant when I posted this: “I have never seen a theory pushed as much as the EF theory, ever. It was maybe five years or so ago that I first heard someone promoting FE. Now it is promoted everywhere. It’s exploding. Even the person painting my house this summer believes it! If it is suppressed, it is a devilishly calculated suppression.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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  • All blue marble globe earths are artist's renderings. NASA even says so on the website.

    If the moon is lit by reflected sunlight , why is the (docuмented )temperature of moonlight less than sunlight or the surrounding darkness? It emits a direct, much cooler light.
    Why do compasses not work past the 60th parallel? Digital navigation does not work either. (This is not true for the North Pole and higher parallels.)

    PS the actual horizon line in that picture of the bridge is the one that matters, and it's flat.Why would the earth curve in only one direction? The bridge in perspective fades into the atmospheric horizon and appears curved to the naked eye. it's not actually curved. Even in Globe earth terms the curve  could not be shown so demonstratively as 8" per mile squared and the relatively short span of the  bridge that we are shown would realistically not make an arc from ground level.

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  • All blue marble globe earths are artist's renderings. NASA even says so on the website.

    Aren’t all flat Earth models artist’s interpretations?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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  • Does it really matter?

    Yes, it matters tremendously.  The way the western world presently works involves a massive amount of research money being poured into various coffers.  This heavily influences the research that is conducted, the conclusions that are reached, etc.  If a man's own livelihood is connected to such money, it matters a great deal.
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  • Aren’t all flat Earth models artist’s interpretations?

    Is that supposed to be even remotely clever?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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  • Is that supposed to be even remotely clever?

    I’m not trying to be clever. Obviously the argument can work either way.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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  • Aren’t all flat Earth models artist’s interpretations?
    Of course. But you seem to think the globe earth pictures are photos from space(lol)which is another lie propping up the globe earth model. Flat earth people make no such false claims. We know  travel outside of a limited range within the "atmosphere" is impossible. Those pictures from space are impossible.


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  • I’m not trying to be clever. Obviously the argument can work either way.

    Good, because clever you are not. Obviously the argument cannot and does not work in both directions.

    There is only ONE side of this argument that claims to have been to space (and even to the moon), taken photos from space, etc.  Said group claims not only to have taken photos, but also to be constantly taking current photos, and openly admits, albeit on the sly, much of what is put out there for consumption is utterly bogus.  The opposition, if you will, makes no such claims.

    It is sad and shocking that you don't see how absurd your question is.
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  • Of course. But you seem to think the globe earth pictures are photos from space(lol)which is another lie propping up the globe earth model. Flat earth people make no such false claims. We know  travel outside of a limited range within the "atmosphere" is impossible. Those pictures from space are impossible.
     

    You’ve got me wrong as I agree that they are fake and not real photographs. I also don’t believe we went to the moon, but it seems reasonable to believe that we have been in a low Earth orbit. Sorry, but the “evidence” for a flat Earth is wanting. Eclipses and moon phases need to be cogently explained with the flat model. All of the explanations I’ve read are not in the least bit satisfying. This is also true with the FE adherents explanations of the picture that Yeti posted as well as seeing ships in the ocean.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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  • Good, because clever you are not. Obviously the argument cannot and does not work in both directions.

    There is only ONE side of this argument that claims to have been to space (and even to the moon), taken photos from space, etc.  Said group claims not only to have taken photos, but also to be constantly taking current photos, and openly admits, albeit on the sly, much of what is put out there for consumption is utterly bogus.  The opposition, if you will, makes no such claims.

    It is sad and shocking that you don't see how absurd your question is.

    You don’t need to be rude, I’m not your enemy unless you believe that FE is de fide. If you do, I have nothing further to discuss with you. Let me be a bit clearer for you, Jose wrote: “All blue marble globe earths are artist's renderings. NASA even says so on the website.” So I wrote: “Aren’t all flat Earth models artist’s interpretations?” She assumed that I believed that the NASA photographs were real, I obviously don’t. I defused the argument by using the same argument against her.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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  • You don’t need to be rude, I’m not your enemy unless you believe that FE is de fide. If you do, I have nothing further to discuss with you. Let me be a bit clearer for you, Jose wrote: “All blue marble globe earths are artist's renderings. NASA even says so on the website.” So I wrote: “Aren’t all flat Earth models artist’s interpretations?” She assumed that I believed that the NASA photographs were real, I obviously don’t. I defused the argument by using the same argument against her.

    I do not and did not intend to be rude.  My apologies if you took or take it that way.  I don't think anyone here believes FE is de fide; otherwise, they would just proffer the necessary statement to that effect.

    Although I can see why you responded to her as you did, it doesn't alter the fact that the response is not as fitting as you thought and still seem to think -- i.e., such an argument does not, in fact, work equally in both directions.  No biggie.
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  • I do not and did not intend to be rude.  My apologies if you took or take it that way.  I don't think anyone here believes FE is de fide; otherwise, they would just proffer the necessary statement to that effect.

    Although I can see why you responded to her as you did, it doesn't alter the fact that the response is not as fitting as you thought and still seem to think -- i.e., such an argument does not, in fact, work equally in both directions.  No biggie.


    Apology accepted and thank you.
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    Flat Earth is something completely in the natural sphere. So there should be some tests, thought exercises, research, etc. that a layman could do at home to reach some kind of conclusion.

    If there is something that we could figure out by arguing, it would be natural-level topics like the Holo**** or globe/flat earth. Throw around facts, reason, arguments, evidence, and see who wins.


    I was just thinking about the flat earth model this morning and the question that comes to mind is this:
    If there is a solid dome surrounding the Earth, that would create a pressure vessel. Pascal's law should then apply (Pressure applied to an enclosed fluid is transmitted undiminished to every portion of the fluid and the walls of the containing vessel. The law also applies to gasses, the difference being that a gas is treated as a compressible fluid). In other words the air pressure should be the same or practically the same regardless of altitude, but we can measure a noticeable difference, some examples: 14.7 PSI at sea level, ~10 PSI at 10,000 ft.
    Just thinking aloud, what am I missing?
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

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  • I was just thinking about the flat earth model this morning and the question that comes to mind is this:
    If there is a solid dome surrounding the Earth, that would create a pressure vessel. Pascal's law should then apply (Pressure applied to an enclosed fluid is transmitted undiminished to every portion of the fluid and the walls of the containing vessel. The law also applies to gasses, the difference being that a gas is treated as a compressible fluid). In other words the air pressure should be the same or practically the same regardless of altitude, but we can measure a noticeable difference, some examples: 14.7 PSI at sea level, ~10 PSI at 10,000 ft.
    Just thinking aloud, what am I missing?

    That's a good question.  With the laws of density, the heavier elements sink, whereas the lighter ones go to the top.  I've seen experiments where fluids of different densities are put into a test-tube (and they're all dyed different colors), and the less dense ones float to the top.  So the difference in pressure likely has to do with the quantities of the different gases out there.  We have more of the heavier elements, such and nitrogen, and those sink toward the bottom, whereas the lighter stuff floats to the top.  But since there's less of the lighter elements, there would be less in the higher reaches of the atmosphere, resulting in less pressure.

    On the contrary, if you posit an atmosphere adjacent to a vacuum, it absolutely should get sucked right off the planet.  There's no way that "gravity" suffices to overcome a vacuum.  I can put a straw into a liquid, apply a vacuum with my mouth, and counteract the "force" of "gravity" with a miniscule degree of vacuum compared to the complete vacuum of space.

    So I think that density / buoyancy ... combined with whatever it is that gives directionality to the movement is responsible for the increases in air pressure at the lower elevations.