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Offline Ladislaus

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  • I don't care much about that. Ladislaus claims that "Tesla didn't believe in gravity" (Reply #5).

    Here, you can read that Tesla didn't deny gravity, like Ladislaus and other flat earth tards claim:

    http://teslacollection.com/tesla_articles/1919/electrical_experimenter/nikola_tesla/the_moon_s_rotation


    P.S.: It's grave nonsense to claim that gravity is a misnomer.

    Do you really need me to dig up the citations from physicists who agree that there's no such thing as an INDEPENDENT "force" called gravity?  There are volumes of citations.  There are several competing theories out there right now to explain the "phenomenon" formerly-known-as or formerly-called "gravity".

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  • In other words, you have no reply to the fact that I completely demolished your useless appeal to the supposed comments of a long-dead man.  I really hope you do not try to make a living as a lawyer, or any other occupation that requires logic, etc.


    Ladislaus stated nonsense about Tesla. I don't appeal to Tesla. I just showed you and Ladislaus, that Tesla did indeed "believe in gravity".
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  • Don't you read the thread? Ladislaus started talking about Einstein. I don't appeal to him, I just point out that Ladislaus is talking nonsense about Einstein and Tesla.

    sigh.  I have to take my car in for service but I'll find the citations.  I've even seen a Einsteinian physicist doing a video explaining why gravity doesn't exist as a force and is really curvature of space-time.  Einstein was in fact a plagiarist, had no ideas of his own, and was propped up by the media as a symbol.

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  • Do you really need me to dig up the citations from physicists who agree that there's no such thing as an INDEPENDENT "force" called gravity?  There are volumes of citations.  There are several competing theories out there right now to explain the "phenomenon" formerly-known-as or formerly-called "gravity".


    Your tongue is split. Originally you said that you, and Tesla, and Einstein don't believe in gravity. You weren't talking about force or something but about gravity.

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  • NASA is the biggest purchaser and consumer of helium in the world.

    Unless I am mistaken, they own/control practically all the production thereof.

    Anyone who wants to make a few extra bucks should make a shirt with one of the bogus pics of "planet earth" accompanied by the caption: "WHERE'S THE BULGE??"

    I know it is or can be very hard to accept, but it is ALL...COMPLETE....BS.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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  • why gravity doesn't exist as a force and is really curvature of space-time

    That's what you say now, after I corrected you. Your original statement was:


    Application of Gauss' law to "flat earth" 1) assumes the existence of gravity and 2) relates to the thickness/depth/mass of the earth.  Assuming that gravity is real (most of us do not believe in it, nor did Tesla, and then Einstein even dismissed it as a real thing) [...]


    You denied the existence of gravity, and claimed that Tesla and Einstein didn't believe in gravity, too.

    :fryingpan:  :fryingpan:  :fryingpan:
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  • If the Church taught me that the FE model was true I would believe it without batting an eye. If the Church held it in the same category as it holds the geocentric model, I would have no problem accepting it as true. Even if it was the common opinion of ancient and Christian philosophers and scientists that the Earth was flat, I would feel confident that I was on the right track accepting the FE model. But none of these things are the case.

    Agreed.  I don't see FE as a matter of faith.  It seems to me we have bigger fish to fry these days.

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  • From what I have read, Tesla, who believed in ether and did not believe in relativity, theorized that pressure from the ether is the cause for the phenomenon known as gravity and was working on ways to verify that.
    Yes- the falsified conclusions of the Michelson Morley experiments by ((Einstein)) shut down the idea of the presence of ether; which the lack thereof is the basis for most erroneous modern theories... I think the MM experiment is currently and seriously being re-evaluated.


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  • There are in fact "geosynchronous" satellites, except that there's no moving earth for them to be in sync with.  I'll find some videos.  Satellites are in fact a lie, and yes the government-tied "satellite industry" is in fact in on the hoax.  Satellites are actually held aloft by helium balloons.  Some of these crash from time to time, with the balloon attached, and are found by people in third world countries, etc. and videoed before the government can come clean them up.  NASA is the biggest purchaser and consumer of helium in the world.
    All satellites are really just held aloft by helium balloons, sometimes they crash, people find them, and the government comes to retrieve them so word doesn't get out.  Am I hearing this correctly?

    I don't mean to come across as one of these p***ks who says "sources, please", but can you help me out further with this? 

    Again, I come to this without sophisticated scientific knowledge or comprehension.  I just know the basics.  I can teach my son history, government, geography, and religion without a book if I have to --- and we do have impromptu, spur-of-the-moment "classes" sometimes, outside of the regular classroom setting --- relying solely upon my own mind and memory, but when it comes to science or matter, yep, that's when I need a book.

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  • Agreed.  I don't see FE as a matter of faith.  It seems to me we have bigger fish to fry these days.

    In case you missed it...

    On CI, every single hour we are frying all sorts of fish that are not de fide, often not even close, but that doesn't seem to discourage anyone.

    Knowing whether we are living on a flat plane within an enclosed sphere or upon the surface of the sphere itself is and should be of MASSIVE interest to anyone who loves truth, revealed or otherwise.  If it doesn't interest you, fair enough.
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  • Marion, I’ll answer you when I get back home.  But you keep conflating the term “gravity” as simply an explanation for why things that are dropped fall down toward the earth and the existence of gravity as an independent force not caused by something else.  I’ve tried to make this distinction three times now but it doesn’t seem to penetrate your brain.  People can still refer to the phenomenon as gravity by convention but that’s completely different than saying it exists as an independent force as described by Newton.  I guess I’ll have to find the sources, but I doubt even that will shut you up.


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  • Anyone here who’s interested, just do a Google search on “gravity doesn’t exist”.  Enjoy.



    He makes the same distinction here that I’ve by trying to convey, the difference between gravity as a phenomenon and understanding how it works and what’s the cause of said phenomenon.

    Online 2Vermont

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  • In case you missed it...

    On CI, every single hour we are frying all sorts of fish that are not de fide, often not even close, but that doesn't seem to discourage anyone.

    Knowing whether we are living on a flat plane within an enclosed sphere or upon the surface of the sphere itself is and should be of MASSIVE interest to anyone who loves truth, revealed or otherwise.  If it doesn't interest you, fair enough.
    I would argue that most things debated on this forum are related to the Faith...note I did not say "de fide".... or the Crisis somehow....at the very least those that are extremely contentious or result in numerous pages.  I think the FE topic is different in that way.

    Offline Stanley N

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  • On the other hand, the "earth shadow" theory held by modern science is also full of holes.  Here are some issues with that theory:

    1) it's been docuмented by astronomers, and there are videos out there showing, that one can see stars through the non-lit "face" of the moon
    2) there was a scientist in the 1950s who claimed to have proven that the moon is made of plasma (which would explain #1)
    3) eclipses take place during the day (the so-called selenelion) which cannot be explained by the earth's shadow theory
    4) I've seen the video of an eclipse viewed from a plane where the shadow angles prove that the moon was way closer than 260,000 miles away
    5) people can see Tycho's crater with a pair of binoculars, a feature said to be 80km in diameter ... from 260,000 miles away (you could not see something that small from that distance)
    6) moonlit areas are actually colder than areas next to it that are not lit by moonlight
    7) nobody's really come up with a workable explanation for the tides (even Newton admitted that the moon theory didn't work)
    8) the fact that we see and have for centuries seen the exact same "face" of the moon.  I personally find the explanation that the moon rotates (to the second) at the exact same rate that it revolves the earth completely implausible.  Even if it were a second off, it would have changed its features over the years
    9) I find it implausible that the sun and moon are roughly the same size (explained by the allegation that the sun is exactly 400x larger than the moon AND at the same time exactly 400x farther away ... and what about the fact that our distance from the sun allegedly varies)

    1) Sure, I believe people have taken pictures of the moon and seen some dots in the dark area. It has not at all been established that those dots are stars. Could be dust on the lens, or thermal noise. Real astronomers know about these two different, more likely explanations.
    2) I'll assume for the sake of argument that someone over 60 years ago made the claim you assert. So what? It was wrong. The moon is solid. Even if you emotionally need to disbelieve manned missions to the moon, there have definitely been probes, and there are now man-made objects on the moon surface.
    3) As has previously been explained to you, it is possible to have a lunar eclipse during daylight. Also solar eclipses.
    4) Too bad you can't or won't link to anything about this case. Ever considered doing some amateur astronomy and measuring the distance to the moon, yourself? Do an experimental observation?
    5) How do you know you couldn't see something as "small" as Tycho's crater from the distance? Could you make out a person's head against a contrasting background from 1 mile away, with good binoculars? (The crater is also surrounded by a bunch of light-colored streaks that stand out and spread over a huge area - you should be able to make THAT out with normal vision.)
    6) Go ahead, link to one "cold moonlight" experiment YOU think is valid. Every such "experiment" I've seen on that topic had obvious experimental errors.
    7) Even if your claim about Newton were correct, don't you think people have investigated the tides once or twice since Newton?
    8) So what if you find it implausible? You've been told it's due to tidal lock.
    9) Again, so what if you find it implausible? It's also not exact - we do get ring eclipses.

    4) fact that the earth's atmosphere doesn't get sucked off the planet by the vacuum of space (I use the term "suck" loosely because that's now how vacuum's work), but there's no way that would happen unless the atmosphere is enclosed by something (aka the firmament).  Also, you can't have air pressure without a container

    There are other planets with atmospheres. Their atmospheres don't get "sucked" off them. We can see them, and they're not enclosed.

    Lad's other claims are too vague to discuss.

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  • Agreed.  I don't see FE as a matter of faith.  It seems to me we have bigger fish to fry these days.

    I can understand why you believe that it's not a matter of Faith, and that's fine. But some of us do think it's a matter of Faith, and as such, I really appreciate that Matthew allows us debate it.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29