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Offline Dankward

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Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
« Reply #165 on: December 13, 2021, 08:18:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on December 12, 2021, 05:06:25 PM
    Why do all these organizations, UN, WHO, etc. have a flat earth logo?

    https://flatearthperspectives.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/official-logos-of-respected-organizations-are-flat-earth-maps/
    It's called Azimuthal equidistant projection and is a way of mapping a sphere onto a flat circle:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection

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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #166 on: December 13, 2021, 08:20:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 12, 2021, 09:49:06 PM
    See, you're assuming that the moon orbits AROUND the earth.  Even St Bede didn't describe this.  He described the sun and moon following 2, separate 30 day paths OVER the earth, not around it.

    You people see St Bede using "sphere" and then don't read the rest of his explanations.
    I'm not assuming that. The reason the Moon rises and sets is because it disappears when it's on "the other side" of the Earth. How would you imagine does the Moon move and how is it lit on a flat Earth? We'd see the moon all the time as it is lit by the Sun. We don't.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #167 on: December 13, 2021, 08:22:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on December 13, 2021, 08:06:34 PM
    Relativistic Geocentrism, at that! :laugh1:
    Kabbalistic mystical nonsense. Einstein's relativity is nothing more than a mind-game obscured by mathematical obscurantism.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #168 on: December 13, 2021, 08:34:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 13, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
    Kabbalistic mystical nonsense. Einstein's relativity is nothing more than a mind-game obscured by mathematical obscurantism.
    I'm talking about general relativity. If you sit in a train and only see another train out your window, you can't tell if you're moving or the other train is moving. That is general relativity. If you sit on a planet and see the universe rotating around you every day, you can't tell whether you are rotating or the universe. That's why modern science can't prove Heliocentrism, and Geocentrism is just as valid, as acknowledged by "smart" scientists like Einstein and Hawking.

    The special relativity, spacetime warping thing, that's another cup of tea. Some of it is true (that time isn't absolute can be proven empirically for example), some of it is probably bunk.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #169 on: December 13, 2021, 09:52:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on December 13, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
    The special relativity, spacetime warping thing, that's another cup of tea.

    I think you have the terms switched. Special relativity doesn't include spacetime "warping", that's general relativity.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #170 on: December 14, 2021, 09:09:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Dankward on December 13, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
    I'm talking about general relativity. If you sit in a train and only see another train out your window, you can't tell if you're moving or the other train is moving. That is general relativity. If you sit on a planet and see the universe rotating around you every day, you can't tell whether you are rotating or the universe. That's why modern science can't prove Heliocentrism, and Geocentrism is just as valid, as acknowledged by "smart" scientists like Einstein and Hawking.

    Yes, actual solid and logical arguments like this helped me reject the heliocentric theory. Flat Earth has very little if any actual solid arguments. Most of the arguments are centered on poking holes in the global Earth model that on the surface seem plausible, by relying on amateur quasi scientific experiments, or by pointing to the suppression (or supposed suppression) of the FE theory by the evil NWO.

    I really need a lot more than that to convince me. As most of you know, I was a big time Trump enthusiast from his primary to the bitter end (although I admit there were times when my enthusiasm was waning, especially in January of this year), but now I’m 98.314% convinced that he was at the very least a willing pawn. I always leave a bit of room for human error. I don’t mind admitting when I am wrong.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #171 on: December 14, 2021, 12:25:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stanley N on December 13, 2021, 09:52:46 PM
    I think you have the terms switched. Special relativity doesn't include spacetime "warping", that's general relativity.
    Oh, I think you're right. Actually I did look up which is which too but apparently I read too hastily.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #172 on: December 14, 2021, 02:10:14 PM »
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    • 100 proofs that the earth is not a globe... Is a good place to start
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #173 on: December 14, 2021, 05:45:15 PM »
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    • I think I’m starting to understand one of the main reasons why so many serious and intelligent Catholics on Cathinfo are becoming convinced of the flat Earth theory. I believe that they have *almost* exclusively watched FE videos or read FE literature with the near exclusion of the oppositions arguments. They are searching out supposedly suppressed videos with no real interest in what the other side has to say. Maybe that’s why I’m not impressed with the research and supposed undeniable “proofs” that they present since I’ve been watching videos from both sides. I suppose the biggest sticking point for me is the fact that FE theorists have never come up with a *comprehensive* and *logical* working model of a flat Earth. None!

    Below is a short video from a condescending and arrogant person, but he makes a point which seems to me to be irrefutable. 



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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #174 on: December 14, 2021, 06:39:06 PM »
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    • QVD, you still haven't explained what happened to the missing 770 ft of curvature.  If we're all going to ignore earlier videos and post like they don't exist, then this discussion is pointless.  We have to talk about 1 think at a time.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #175 on: December 14, 2021, 06:45:16 PM »
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    I suppose the biggest sticking point for me is the fact that FE theorists have never come up with a *comprehensive* and *logical* working model of a flat Earth. None!
    But this isn't an argument, it's a lazy reason to avoid research.  It's like the heliocentrists wrote a book on how things work.  People start pointing out where the book has missing pages or major spelling errors and the response is:  "Well, you haven't written a book, so your criticisms don't matter".


    Just because flat earthers haven't come up with 100% of the answers doesn't mean their questions/points are wrong.  It can take DECADES for the truth to surface, especially when it's been artificially submerged by a global conspiracy.  Look at the topics of the Crusades or the Inquisition.  People still rattle off "facts" that aren't true.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #176 on: December 14, 2021, 06:50:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 14, 2021, 05:45:15 PM

    I think I’m starting to understand one of the main reasons why so many serious and intelligent Catholics on Cathinfo are becoming convinced of the flat Earth theory. I believe that they have *almost* exclusively watched FE videos or read FE literature with the near exclusion of the oppositions arguments. They are searching out supposedly suppressed videos with no real interest in what the other side has to say. Maybe that’s why I’m not impressed with the research and supposed undeniable “proofs” that they present since I’ve been watching videos from both sides. I suppose the biggest sticking point for me is the fact that FE theorists have never come up with a *comprehensive* and *logical* working model of a flat Earth. None!

    Below is a short video from a condescending and arrogant person, but he makes a point which seems to me to be irrefutable.




    No. We were all brought up the same way. We were all indoctrinated. We all went to school.  We all looked at globes on our teacher's desks.  We all had science.  Some of us went further and had extra science.  Some of us went into the field of science. We have all encountered plenty of globalist objections.  And we have researched them.  When you check out both sides with an open mind, you discover a truckload of proof that earth is flat, and that there is no proof for the globe at all.
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #177 on: December 14, 2021, 07:07:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 14, 2021, 06:39:06 PM
    QVD, you still haven't explained what happened to the missing 770 ft of curvature.  If we're all going to ignore earlier videos and post like they don't exist, then this discussion is pointless.  We have to talk about 1 think at a time.

    There are many variables to his study. I think it’s possible he’s lying. I think it’s possible that he made a mistake with his numbers. I think it’s possible that his altimeter was malfunctioning. I think it’s possible that the figures he’s relying on for the mountain heights and distances could be off. And it could be something that I’m not thinking of.

    Now, if you or Ladislaus did the study it would have much more credence. I don’t know this guy and for all I know he could be a fraudster. I know you and Ladislaus are Catholics and wouldn’t deliberately lie.

    In any event, from what I remember, I saw the top of Pikes Peak coming into view from the summit to the base when I drove from the Kansas boarder west to Colorado Springs in June of 1992. I’ve personally seen the CN Tower in Toronto from Niagara on the Lake with the base obscured. I posted someones video displaying this. There are multiple videos that obviously aren’t fake that show ships disappearing over the horizon. And I’m sorry, but the excuse that waves or humidity just isn’t going to cut it. Am I going to believe the “mountain guy” or my lying 👀?
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    Re: Thoughts on why I see the flat Earth theory is likely a disinformation campaign
    « Reply #178 on: December 14, 2021, 07:32:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on December 14, 2021, 06:50:00 PM
    No. We were all brought up the same way. We were all indoctrinated. We all went to school.  We all looked at globes on our teacher's desks.  We all had science.  Some of us went further and had extra science.  Some of us went into the field of science. We have all encountered plenty of globalist objections.  And we have researched them.  When you check out both sides with an open mind, you discover a truckload of proof that earth is flat, and that there is no proof for the globe at all.

    Regardless, did you watch the video? How do you refute what he claims about the moon? Everyone of us can observe and comprehend this simple demonstration. Do you have an answer for it?
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    « Reply #179 on: December 14, 2021, 07:44:44 PM »
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    In any event, from what I remember, I saw the top of Pikes Peak coming into view from the summit to the base when I drove from the Kansas boarder west to Colorado Springs in June of 1992.

    Kansas is pretty high above sea level, especially as you travel west.  So it makes sense you wouldn't see pikes peak all at once, because travelling west you be inclining, which prohibits a complete view ahead.

    The elevation in Kansas rises gradually from east to west. The lowest point, at 679 feet above sea level, is where the Verdigris River exits the state into Oklahoma just south of Coffeyville in Montgomery County. The highest point, at 4,039 feet above sea level, is on the Colorado border in Wallace County.


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    I’ve personally seen the CN Tower in Toronto from Niagara on the Lake with the base obscured. I posted someones video displaying this. There are multiple videos that obviously aren’t fake that show ships disappearing over the horizon. And I’m sorry, but the excuse that waves or humidity just isn’t going to cut it. Am I going to believe the “mountain guy” or my lying 👀?

    I'll bet they wouldn't be obscured if you had a high-powered camera or telescope. 

    Also, to be fair, you can't yell "science, science!" and then use one's "eyeballs" as some sort of conclusive test.  That's not how experiments work.
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