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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
« on: March 15, 2024, 08:16:22 AM »
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  • I don’t think it’s reasonable to argue that this is CGI.


    The curvature of the Earth is clearly seen approximately around the 33:30 to 34:30 minute mark.


    https://www.youtube.com/live/pvAIxUJyALE?feature=shared


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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2024, 09:15:19 AM »
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  • Wide angle lens.  They pulled the same thing with the Red Bull jump ... and even Neil de Grasse Tyson debunked that one.

    You are constantly applying you confirmation bias to things, where "ah, look curvature.  Proof of globe."  Seems like you're desperate to cling to the globe model.

    Of course, CGI is getting better and better, to that point that there will come a time where it's indistinguishable from reality ... whether faking "space" or deepfaking individuals.

    That "Tesla in space" was exposed as a hoax, where the video glitched out and showed the same staging warehouse where the thing had been prior to "launch", and even Musk said, "you know it has to be real because it looked so fake.  We have better CGI than that."  That wasn't CGI, but green-screen.


    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #2 on: March 15, 2024, 09:38:19 AM »
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  • Wide angle lens.  They pulled the same thing with the Red Bull jump ... and even Neil de Grasse Tyson debunked that one.

    You are constantly applying you confirmation bias to things, where "ah, look curvature.  Proof of globe."  Seems like you're desperate to cling to the globe model.

    Of course, CGI is getting better and better, to that point that there will come a time where it's indistinguishable from reality ... whether faking "space" or deepfaking individuals.

    That "Tesla in space" was exposed as a hoax, where the video glitched out and showed the same staging warehouse where the thing had been prior to "launch", and even Musk said, "you know it has to be real because it looked so fake.  We have better CGI than that."  That wasn't CGI, but green-screen.

    There are no words….. The projection is palpable. :facepalm:  To be clear, I don’t believe the “Tesla in space” video.

    BTW: It seems to me that the “wide angle lens” excuse would distort the ship also.

    You and your followers have really elevated FE almost to a dogma. Actually, I believe that some of those posting here have.
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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #3 on: March 15, 2024, 10:05:10 AM »
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  • There are no words….. The projection is palpable. :facepalm:  To be clear, I don’t believe the “Tesla in space” video.

    BTW: It seems to me that the “wide angle lens” excuse would distort the ship also.

    You and your followers have really elevated FE almost to a dogma. Actually, I believe that some of those posting here have.
    I just want to chime in here that although it may not be dogma there is certainly many verses in holy scripture that point to a flat plane as well as historical evidence that it was taught in schools and believed by all people before the 1500's. Also the expeditions of old clearly show a flat plane. When we use our senses and critical thinking it points to a flat plane. 
    I remember when we first learned of the flat earth, we were living in the Dominican Republuc and I noticed how the sound of thunder was different there than here. when you take into account the dome it would make sense that the sound would be different. Just my personal observation. 
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2024, 12:30:10 PM »
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  • There are no words….. The projection is palpable. :facepalm:  To be clear, I don’t believe the “Tesla in space” video.

    BTW: It seems to me that the “wide angle lens” excuse would distort the ship also.

    You and your followers have really elevated FE almost to a dogma. Actually, I believe that some of those posting here have.

    You can't see enough of the ship to actually tell, and one would have to know what it should look like in the first place.  You can see the edge of the ship at the bottom of the screen curving up, which is actually a tell-tale sign of wide angle lens, where it curves up below the center line and curves down above it.  But then I don't know if the ship's edge there would normally have a curve, so I can't draw any conclusions ... unlike yourself who apply confirmation bias to anything that supports the globe.

    Has nothing to do with dogma, just get tired of small-minded people who can't even apply reason and logic to the situation because they're wedded to their globe, due to some psychological attachment.  You dismiss solid evidence of no curvature on a regular basis, always claiming refraction and whatnot, but then refraction magically disappears when you think you see something that backs the globe.

    Every FE once believed the earth was a globe, and many of us only slowly and reluctantly came to realize that the earth is in fact flat, by keeping an open mind and looking at the evidence objectively, something you're incapable of doing.  I don't have any "followers".  Most of the people here who came to accept the truth of flat earth went there independently, taking the same path I did, and did not simply "follow" me into constant derision and ridicule from the small-minded types such as yourself.


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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #5 on: March 15, 2024, 12:37:09 PM »
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  • Here's an alleged picture from the "cupola" of the SpaceX Blue Dragon.  To see this degree of curvature, you'd have to be halfway to where they claim the moon is.  This here is a clear wide-angle lens, and like with the one you posted, you can see a small upward curvature of the bottom.



    In your video also, you can see the same upward curvature ...



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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #6 on: March 15, 2024, 12:39:53 PM »
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  • You dismiss solid evidence of no curvature on a regular basis, always claiming refraction and whatnot, but then refraction magically disappears when you think you see something that backs the globe.
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    Refraction does curve light over long distances, including lasers. Here is an article explaining this:


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    Over the years, many tests have been conducted to determine how far into the distance it is possible to see a laser at ground level, and whether this fits best with a globe-earth or flat-earth model. Unfortunately, these tests often have wildly different results that appear to be contradictory. Some show a laser beam apparently staying at the same height, implying that the Earth is flat. Others appear to show the laser disappear below the horizon as expected in the globe-earth model.

    These discrepancies can be explained by understanding two things:
    • Atmospheric refraction bends light.
    • Laser beams get wider the farther they travel.
    These are real phenomena. Anyone can see that laser beams spread out over distance (although it's hard to measure exactly), and that refraction happens when light travels through a medium of varying density. Indeed, atmospheric refraction is a known problem in many fields. Surveyors must minimize and account for refraction. Sailors navigating by the sky avoid stars that are too close to the horizon because their positions are distorted by refraction.
    It is therefore surprising how many laser level experiments do not account for these issues. If you watch a long-range laser experiment that doesn't even mention atmospheric refraction or beam divergence, the experiment is incomplete and it's safe to assume the experimenter doesn't really know how to conduct this type of research.
    Light rays are usually bent towards the surface of a large body of water. This is because the water tends to cool the air close to it, creating a temperature and density gradient close to the surface. This refracts light waves (including the laser beam) down. Importantly, the amount of refraction varies depending on environmental conditions. In some cases, refraction can even make the Earth's surface appear curved in a concave direction. Figuring out exactly how much refraction is occurring isn't easy, but there are calculation tools available to help.
    The end result is this: As light rays get bent down, they stay closer to the curved Earth's surface and can remain visible for some distance over the horizon. If there's just the right amount of refraction, objects would also appear to stay exactly the same height above the surface.
    By the way, many flat-earth experimenters make a point of positioning the laser close to the ground or water surface, as if this is a good thing. It isn't, because this is exactly where refraction has the most effect (the temperature gradient tends to be greatest near the surface). It would be better to position both the laser and the observer several metres above the surface.
    In addition to atmospheric refraction, there is the problem that laser beams diverge (get wider) over long distances. If you're looking at a laser beam from several kilometres away, how do you know if you're looking at the centre of the beam? It's not as easy to tell as you might think. If you see an experiment that doesn't address this problem, it's not a valid test.
    Ironically, the easiest way to solve the beam divergence problem is to not use a laser at all. The experiment's goal is to see if a horizontal ray of light stays the same height above the Earth's surface. You can do this by simply looking at an object—it doesn't need to be a laser beam.
    This is actually an old experiment, going back at least to the famous Bedford Level experiment in the 19th Century. Of course they didn't use lasers then, but instead used flag poles placed at a consistent height over several kilometres. The Bedford Level experiment, like any well-conducted similar experiment today, shows that light rays are directed downwards, enabling things to be seen over the horizon as if the surface between them was flat.

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #7 on: March 15, 2024, 01:05:40 PM »
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  • You can't see enough of the ship to actually tell, and one would have to know what it should look like in the first place.  You can see the edge of the ship at the bottom of the screen curving up, which is actually a tell-tale sign of wide angle lens, where it curves up below the center line and curves down above it.  But then I don't know if the ship's edge there would normally have a curve, so I can't draw any conclusions ... unlike yourself who apply confirmation bias to anything that supports the globe.

    Has nothing to do with dogma, just get tired of small-minded people who can't even apply reason and logic to the situation because they're wedded to their globe, due to some psychological attachment.  You dismiss solid evidence of no curvature on a regular basis, always claiming refraction and whatnot, but then refraction magically disappears when you think you see something that backs the globe.

    Every FE once believed the earth was a globe, and many of us only slowly and reluctantly came to realize that the earth is in fact flat, by keeping an open mind and looking at the evidence objectively, something you're incapable of doing.  I don't have any "followers".  Most of the people here who came to accept the truth of flat earth went there independently, taking the same path I did, and did not simply "follow" me into constant derision and ridicule from the small-minded types such as yourself.

    For the umpteenth time, I have no problem rejecting GE! This is attested to the FACT that I had no problem with rejecting the heliocentric theory.

    You just can’t get it in your head, due to your “confirmation bias”, that FE, in the way everyone has presented it on this forum, can’t work. The ridiculous “models” presented here don’t work. It is impossible!


    Come up with a reasonable model, a reasonable explanation that demonstrates the measurable distances between land masses and oceans. Give a reasonable explanation on how the Moon phases work with FE. How Solar and lunar eclipses work with FE.

    Come up with a giant global Earth model or an elliptical model for all I care, anything that remotely makes sense.

    You’ve really jumped the shark!
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #8 on: March 15, 2024, 01:17:44 PM »
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  • Here's an alleged picture from the "cupola" of the SpaceX Blue Dragon.  To see this degree of curvature, you'd have to be halfway to where they claim the moon is.  This here is a clear wide-angle lens, and like with the one you posted, you can see a small upward curvature of the bottom.



    In your video also, you can see the same upward curvature ...


    The top picture definitely looks like CGI and the Earth looks way too small.

    In the second picture, I agree with you that there is some curved distortion with the ship in your screenshot, but this could be due to the proximity of the lens attached to the ship since the curve starts closer to the camera, but seems straight further away. I will look at the video for other examples as the screen shot I took didn’t have that distortion.
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    Offline AnthonyPadua

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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #9 on: March 16, 2024, 08:57:35 AM »
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  • For the umpteenth time, I have no problem rejecting GE! This is attested to the FACT that I had no problem with rejecting the heliocentric theory.

    You just can’t get it in your head, due to your “confirmation bias”, that FE, in the way everyone has presented it on this forum, can’t work. The ridiculous “models” presented here don’t work. It is impossible!


    Come up with a reasonable model, a reasonable explanation that demonstrates the measurable distances between land masses and oceans. Give a reasonable explanation on how the Moon phases work with FE. How Solar and lunar eclipses work with FE.

    Come up with a giant global Earth model or an elliptical model for all I care, anything that remotely makes sense.

    You’ve really jumped the shark!
    You don't seem to understand. We don't need to have a working model of flat earth to disprove globe earth. The things you mentioned should be considered assumptions, they may or may not work, we believe they do because we have been taught that they are true. But the proofs for flat earth should make us question if they are really the way we think. When people doubted the Church due to (((heliocentrism))) they didn't have a working model, all the things we have today were slowly built up, and many things were added that don't actually make sense (eg tilt). Real science would start by investigating the flat earth first, then these other processes.

    The point is we don't need nor require a working model because the lack of curve already disproves the ball earth meaning we should question or be suspicious of our understanding of the other processes related to it.

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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #10 on: March 16, 2024, 10:55:24 AM »
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  • FE, in the way everyone has presented it on this forum, can’t work. The ridiculous “models” presented here don’t work. It is impossible!

    Come up with a reasonable model, a reasonable explanation that demonstrates the measurable distances between land masses and oceans. Give a reasonable explanation on how the Moon phases work with FE. How Solar and lunar eclipses work with FE.
    Of course, the thing you want us to do is to verify the distances which would require absurd amounts of resources, time and dedication and let's ignore that you're just asserting that you know the distances and that they're correct. Says who?

    The sad thing is that the two examples you say we should have to be able to explain you can't explain either.

    Moon phases don't work with a globe because a sphere doesn't cast a circular shadow onto another sphere. It's a verifiable, observable, repeatable fact.

    Furthermore, the globe "model" can't explain eclipses because it doesn't explain selenelions.

    You have no model, yet you keep pretending that you do. You have a bunch of absurd nonsense like gravity keeping the atmosphere from dispersing into the infinite vacuum yet we can jump at the surface where it's much stronger.

    Observable, repeatable experiments all point to a flat earth, everything else that's unsure must be dispensed with and made to conform with what is certain.

    Holy Writ is correct, there is a solid firmament separating the waters above from the waters below. Theories of man can't compete with God's word.


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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #11 on: March 16, 2024, 06:46:13 PM »
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  • Of course, the thing you want us to do is to verify the distances which would require absurd amounts of resources, time and dedication and let's ignore that you're just asserting that you know the distances and that they're correct. Says who?
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    People have been mapping the world for millennia, and accepting those maps as true and using them to get to places correctly. That is the verification that maps are correct, and that they correctly portray the world. If they weren't accurate, then when people used them to navigate, they wouldn't reach their intended destination.

    Now, I'm not aware of any flat earth map that anyone claims can be used for navigation, i.e. that is claimed to be drawn to scale and to show geographical areas in enough detail to be useful. If there is such a thing, I sure would love to see it. On the contrary, every map that has been used since the Age of Discovery has assumed a globe earth. Those are the maps that people have used to navigate to even the most remote places of the earth accurately and successfully.

    I don't think we can have a rational discussion with someone who doesn't think that maps work. :facepalm:

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #12 on: March 18, 2024, 06:13:57 AM »
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  • You don't seem to understand. We don't need to have a working model of flat earth to disprove globe earth. The things you mentioned should be considered assumptions, they may or may not work, we believe they do because we have been taught that they are true. But the proofs for flat earth should make us question if they are really the way we think. When people doubted the Church due to (((heliocentrism))) they didn't have a working model, all the things we have today were slowly built up, and many things were added that don't actually make sense (eg tilt). Real science would start by investigating the flat earth first, then these other processes.

    The point is we don't need nor require a working model because the lack of curve already disproves the ball earth meaning we should question or be suspicious of our understanding of the other processes related to it.

    You place ALL of your “proofs” for a flat Earth SOLELY on information you read or watched on the internet. None of you are willing to do anything to scrutinize those claims. I’ve actually looked through telescopes, across distances, at the Moon, and planets. Millions upon millions of people have measured distances of continents and oceans. These measurements, when compared to every FE “model” that’s been presented on this forum, cannot be reconciled. Period.

    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: This doesn’t look like CGI to me…..
    « Reply #13 on: March 18, 2024, 07:12:03 AM »
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  • You don't seem to understand. We don't need to have a working model of flat earth to disprove globe earth.

    This has been explained to him ad nauseam, but he clings to this stupidity (a logical absurdity).  Lacking a perfectly-clear alternative model does not invalidate the falsification of a different model.  This is in fact how the scientific method works, which despite all the globers appeals to "science" they don't even come close to following themselves.  In the scientific method, once a model is falsified, it needs to be refined or discarded in favor of a new model, based on a new hypothesis.  So, for instance, once the 24,000-mile circuмference globe model has been falsified (which it has), Quo would be free to posit a 500,000-mile circuмference globe model that would be consistent with the experimental findings, and then seek evidence to confirm or deny the hypothesis.  He simply assumes the validity of the globe model until another perfect and complete model exists, except that the entire point of FE (that he ignores) is that the globe model has been falsified.  Bottom line is that he doesn't want to believe that the earth may be flat.

    Lacking an alternative hypothesis has nothing to do with the falsification of the prior hypothesis (that the earth is a globe of 24,000 miles in circuмference), but he tries to pretend that the globe model remains standing until a new model has been proven.  This is a false dichotomy.  Both models could in fact be false.