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Offline Traditional Guy 20

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  • When you ask people what liberalism really is people will usually respond with giving an example of FDR's and LBJ's New Deal and Great Society and with a welfare state.

    Let us clear up some misconceptions about what liberalism truly is.

    Freedom from authority is a liberal idea.

    Freedom from religion is a liberal idea.

    Freedom of religion is a liberal idea.

    Freedom of speech is a liberal idea.

    Religious tolerance is a liberal idea.

    Racial tolerance is a liberal idea.

    Free trade is a liberal idea.

    Open borders is a liberal idea.

    Wanting to convert the world to America's values and to feminism is a Trotskyist idea.

    Freedom for women is a liberal and a Marxist idea.

    Wanting to disown organized religion and to find God for yourself comes out of the Enlightenment and is also a liberal idea.


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    « Reply #1 on: December 29, 2012, 03:29:21 PM »
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  • Yeah, I think you're right.  I don't think the cultural revolution in America and The West in general, is about size of government, but rather it is about rejecting  traditional rank and embracing radicalism.  Growing up in America, I think it is hard to realize just how radical things are here.  
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    « Reply #2 on: December 29, 2012, 04:39:51 PM »
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    Racial tolerance is a liberal idea.


    The sovereignty of the nation-state, which implies that authority comes from "the nation" and is therefore ultimately popular in origin rather than from God, is a liberal idea.

    Racial tolerance is not, in itself, a liberal idea.  Equality for all of the races, classes, individuals, genders, and "citizens" before the law, however, is a liberal idea.  You have good instincts on a lot of points, TraditionalGuy, but you need to temper your zeal with more patience and study.  For instance, just because the Marxists criticise the middle class does not mean that criticising the middle class is Marxist.  The old aristocracy and peasants were also critical of the middle class because they saw them as avaricious and soft urban parasites or else merchants who manipulated money and goods for their own profit without producing anything.  But obviously the champions of the natural order, the counter-revolutionary aristocrats and peasants, are not Marxists.

    Liberalism derives from the worldview of the so-called Enlightenment, which in themselves have Newtonian mechanics and esoteric Freemasonic individualism as their template.  Both of these "schools" found fertile ground in Protestant nations since the Protestants were proud individualists who thought of themselves as saved member of the elect who would bow before no man.  Protestantism seems to have made such advances in the Northern European countries because of, on the one hand, their climate that facilitated development of a powerful merchant class that eventually had the resources to dominate the organs of civil power and, on the other hand, their apparent distaste for the Mediterranean family model dominated by the patriarch of the household and clan.  Where this cultural preference comes from I have been unable to pin down; in any case, ideas are nothing until believed and acted upon by men.  This is how Liberalism was able to spread to Europe, through the Anglophile middle class of discontented Jansenists, Gallicans, and Freemasons -- lawyers, merchants, etc. -- in France, which spread it through conquest under the direction of Napoleon.

    It goes deeper, still.  For instance, I am critical of the idea of "civilisation" because I am critical of the idea that urban life and manners makes one superiour to others, since it excludes virtue and grace from the equation of law.  If law is not ultimately based on fear of authority and upon justice, of what value is it ?  The Enlightenment has roots in the Renaissance, and the Renaissance has roots in the education and ambitions of the denizens of the Italian merchant republics, whose cutthroat avarice blossomed in contest against Popes and clerics.

    I could write more about this later.  Suffice it to say, if we do not understand where we have been, we cannot know where we are going, nor where we ought to go.

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    There is a common misconception about what liberalism really is...
    « Reply #3 on: December 29, 2012, 07:49:21 PM »
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  • Liberalism is a philiosphy and a theology that seeks to do the ultimate
    good in order to justify the ultimate evil.
    This is why they never go to confession is because they believe they have  
    done so much good that it covers all their evils and sins.
    The good they think they have done are actually evils themselves.
    For example, they believe that abortion is a good thing.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 30, 2012, 02:56:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    Liberalism is a philiosphy and a theology that seeks to do the ultimate
    good in order to justify the ultimate evil.

    This is why they never go to confession is because they believe they have  
    done so much good that it covers all their evils and sins.
    The good they think they have done are actually evils themselves.
    For example, they believe that abortion is a good thing.


    That's a good description.  They say, revolutions have to replace the old values, with new values or else they will fizzle out.  For example, we are taught to celebrate sterility, because it is "saving the planet," instead of considering it a tragedy.  



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    « Reply #5 on: December 31, 2012, 12:17:33 AM »
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    « Reply #6 on: December 31, 2012, 12:33:34 AM »
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  • http://www.liberalismisasin.com/

    It's far more than you'll ever need to hammer any liberal into the ground.  One of the BEST works I've ever read.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 10:47:22 PM »
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    Yeah, I think you're right.  I don't think the cultural revolution in America and The West in general, is about size of government, but rather it is about rejecting  traditional rank and embracing radicalism.  Growing up in America, I think it is hard to realize just how radical things are here.


    Of course not. The cultural revolution had to do with overthrowing traditional values and replacing them with new ones. That was the purpose of the New Left. The old FDR liberals had already grown the federal government with the New Deal. No offense to my fellow young "Trads" here but it is well known that young people in this country are very libertarian in terms of government but very liberal (i.e. also libertarian) in terms of social issues, where they accept economic liberalism like Von Mises and Rothbard and also social liberalism in allowing abortion and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ sodomy.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 04, 2013, 10:51:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    Liberalism is a philiosphy and a theology that seeks to do the ultimate
    good in order to justify the ultimate evil.
    This is why they never go to confession is because they believe they have  
    done so much good that it covers all their evils and sins.
    The good they think they have done are actually evils themselves.
    For example, they believe that abortion is a good thing.


    According to the popular "consensus" we were a "conservative" society until the 1960's. This is not the case really, since we've been a very liberal society (the West) since the 1700's.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 04, 2013, 11:10:16 PM »
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    Yeah, I think you're right.  I don't think the cultural revolution in America and The West in general, is about size of government, but rather it is about rejecting  traditional rank and embracing radicalism.  Growing up in America, I think it is hard to realize just how radical things are here.


    Of course not. The cultural revolution had to do with overthrowing traditional values and replacing them with new ones. That was the purpose of the New Left. The old FDR liberals had already grown the federal government with the New Deal. No offense to my fellow young "Trads" here but it is well known that young people in this country are very libertarian in terms of government but very liberal (i.e. also libertarian) in terms of social issues, where they accept economic liberalism like Von Mises and Rothbard and also social liberalism in allowing abortion and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ sodomy.


    Yeah, the free market unhinged from morality seems to be doomed to make a god out of money.  

    I think there's some connection between neo-cons, trotsky, marx and all this that Pat Buchanan pointed out in,"The Death of The West" quoting from, "...The Origin of Family, Private Property and The State: The first condition for the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex into public industry and ... this in turn demands the abolition of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society."  Is it not remarkable coincidence how global capitalism's view of women -- as units of production, liberated from husbands, home, and family -- conforms so precisely to the view of the fathers of global communism?" ch 2, pg. 35

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    « Reply #10 on: January 04, 2013, 11:15:33 PM »
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    Yeah, the free market unhinged from morality seems to be doomed to make a god out of money.  

    I think there's some connection between neo-cons, trotsky, marx and all this that Pat Buchanan pointed out in,"The Death of The West" quoting from, "...The Origin of Family, Private Property and The State: The first condition for the liberation of the wife is to bring the whole female sex into public industry and ... this in turn demands the abolition of the monogamous family as the economic unit of society."  Is it not remarkable coincidence how global capitalism's view of women -- as units of production, liberated from husbands, home, and family -- conforms so precisely to the view of the fathers of global communism?" ch 2, pg. 35


    Big Business pollutes the environment and is cruel to animals, puts mothers into the workforce, makes children eat fast food junk, brings in more immigrants, sends jobs overseas, denies a man a payable wage for his labors, puts small businesses and family farms out of business, etc.

    And yet in America this is considered "moral" and if you are against that you must be a "fascist" and "socialist."