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Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2023, 08:39:31 AM »
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  • Yeah, so the first problem is that about 100 of the current 135 "voting" "Cardinals" were appointed by Jorge.  So, for the Bennyvacantists, they need to address the implications of this.

    You have Barnhardt over here still clinging to the "non-resignationist" (munus vs. ministerium) argument.  Newsflash, Ann.  Ratzinger is dead.  So she has to address the problem of whether Universal Acceptance of Jorge would not validate his papacy (i.e. provide a sanatio) ... as many would believe.

    But the Bennyvacantists don't address either of these problems.  They won't and/or can't think beyond the "Jorge is not the pope" proposition.


    Heretics/Apostates can't hold office in the first place.

    Bull of Pope Paul IV — cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio, 1559
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    “Further, if ever it should appear that any bishop (even one acting as an archbishop, patriarch or primate), or a cardinal of the Roman Church, or a legate (as mentioned above), or even the Roman Pontiff (whether prior to his promotion to cardinal, or prior to his election as Roman Pontiff), has beforehand deviated from the Catholic faith or fallen into any heresy, We enact, decree, determine and define:
    — “Such promotion or election in and of itself, even with the agreement and unanimous consent of all the cardinals, shall be null, legally invalid and void.
    — “It shall not be possible for such a promotion or election to be deemed valid or to be valid, neither through reception of office, consecration, subsequent administration, or possession, nor even through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff himself, together with the veneration and obedience accorded him by all.
    — “Such promotion or election, shall not through any lapse of tune in the foregoing situation, be considered even partially legitimate in any way . . .
    — “Each and all of the words, as acts, laws, appointments of those so promoted or elected —and indeed, whatsoever flows therefrom — shall be lacking in force, and shall grant no stability and legal power to anyone whatsoever.
    — “Those so promoted or elected, by that very fact and without the need to make any further declaration, shall be deprived of any dignity, position, honor, title, authority, office and power.”

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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #16 on: October 23, 2023, 08:42:07 AM »
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  • But no worries, he secretly appointed Vigano as the next pope.
    Benedict or Bergoglio?

    I understand not everyone in the "Resistance" is enamored with +Vigano.  


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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #17 on: October 23, 2023, 09:07:02 AM »
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  • Benedict or Bergoglio?

    I understand not everyone in the "Resistance" is enamored with +Vigano. 

    My suspicion is that the narrative could be that Benedict secretly appointed Vigano as pope before he died.

    Just a hunch.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #18 on: October 23, 2023, 09:27:37 AM »
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  • I would imagine that St. Peter let it be known that Linus would make a good successor, but that the college of bishops elected a new pope at the death of St. Peter in 69.A.D.  It is interesting that St. Peter did not choose St. John the Divine as his successor, as he was Our Lady's priest and obviously still living. 

    But it seems that many Catholics have this mistaken idea that the college of Cardinals is incapable of electing a malicious bishop, and I do not see it.  Going back to the Siri thesis, if Siri was elected, but told the Cardinal dean, "non accepto," because he felt his life was threatened, and then the cardinals said to themselves, "Well, we know that Siri is a good candidate, and he is conservative, but the liberals will probably kill him, so we are going to elect Roncalli, even though he is a liberal."  Why is this not a valid election?  At the end of the day, if the cardinals are liberal, then we are stuck with a liberal pope.  The only escape from this dilemma is to pray harder for an orthodox pope.  

    These modern popes present a special difficulty because of the new rites of priesthood and episcopal consecration. 


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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #19 on: October 23, 2023, 09:46:42 AM »
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  • I would imagine that St. Peter let it be known that Linus would make a good successor, but that the college of bishops elected a new pope at the death of St. Peter in 69.A.D.  It is interesting that St. Peter did not choose St. John the Divine as his successor, as he was Our Lady's priest and obviously still living.

    But it seems that many Catholics have this mistaken idea that the college of Cardinals is incapable of electing a malicious bishop, and I do not see it.  Going back to the Siri thesis, if Siri was elected, but told the Cardinal dean, "non accepto," because he felt his life was threatened, and then the cardinals said to themselves, "Well, we know that Siri is a good candidate, and he is conservative, but the liberals will probably kill him, so we are going to elect Roncalli, even though he is a liberal."  Why is this not a valid election?  At the end of the day, if the cardinals are liberal, then we are stuck with a liberal pope.  The only escape from this dilemma is to pray harder for an orthodox pope. 

    These modern popes present a special difficulty because of the new rites of priesthood and episcopal consecration.

    After some further reading, it seems that the Pope was always selected by the clergy of the city of Rome.

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Linus :

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    The Liber Pontificalis[8] also enumerated Linus as the second bishop of Rome after Peter, and stated that Peter consecrated two bishops, Linus and Anacletus, for the priestly service of the community...


    Also, the early Popes were usually part of the clergy of Rome, so it would not make sense to choose St. John the Apostle, since he was living in the region that is present day Turkey, if I am not mistaken.

    St. John seems to me to be more of a contemplative. He probably was not fit for the Papacy. I see him as someone who was more in Heaven than in the Earth when I read his writings. He was probably the holiest of all the Apostles.


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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #20 on: October 23, 2023, 10:34:02 AM »
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  • But it seems that many Catholics have this mistaken idea that the college of Cardinals is incapable of electing a malicious bishop, and I do not see it.  

    We aren't talking about a "malicious" bishop. 

    They weren't bishops at all and therefore neither were they popes:

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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #21 on: October 23, 2023, 10:49:27 AM »
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  • My suspicion is that the narrative could be that Benedict secretly appointed Vigano as pope before he died.

    Just a hunch.

    :facepalm:

    Do have nightly dreams about +Vigano and Trump?

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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #22 on: October 23, 2023, 11:21:29 AM »
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  • :facepalm:

    Do have nightly dreams about +Vigano and Trump?

    Says the Sedevacantist who wants Vigano to be pope.  :P
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #23 on: October 23, 2023, 11:27:35 AM »
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  • Pius X delivered a hammer blow:

    "It took three centuries for the Church to evolve. The Jews therefore had time to acknowledge his divinity without any pressure. But they haven't done so to this day."

    Check mate.

    Yes, I also like this part:

    And I have always been on good terms with Jews. Only the other evening two Jews were here to see me. After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy. These we do not deny to the Jews. Indeed, we also pray for them: that their minds be enlightened. This very day the Church is celebrating the feast of an unbeliever who, on the road to Damascus, became miraculously converted to the true faith. And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready to baptize all of you."

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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #24 on: October 23, 2023, 02:42:01 PM »
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  • Says the Sedevacantist who wants Vigano to be pope.  :P

    I'm not the one who somehow thinks of and brings up +Vigano and/or Trump on every single thread, whether or not it has anything whatsoever to do with them.

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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #25 on: October 23, 2023, 02:54:36 PM »
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  • Yes, I also like this part:

    And I have always been on good terms with Jєωs. Only the other evening two Jєωs were here to see me. After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy. These we do not deny to the Jєωs. Indeed, we also pray for them: that their minds be enlightened. This very day the Church is celebrating the feast of an unbeliever who, on the road to Damascus, became miraculously converted to the true faith. And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready to baptize all of you."


    Yes, that's great too. 

    It's hard to imagine there was actually a pope who was so forthright and strong about the faith, and didn't care a bit about watering it down because of "politics." 
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    « Reply #26 on: October 24, 2023, 09:12:44 PM »
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  • Shucks... I thought the OP was about the founder of the terrorist zionist state ? :popcorn:


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #27 on: October 25, 2023, 06:46:39 AM »
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  • Shucks... I thought the OP was about the founder of ... :popcorn:


    Yeah, I expected it to be about Theodor Herzl's Audience with Pope Pius X in 1904.  What a fool I am.

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    « Reply #28 on: October 25, 2023, 06:23:10 PM »
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  • Yeah, I expected it to be about Theodor Herzl's Audience with Pope Pius X in 1904.  What a fool I am.

    Essentially, they told the jew-boy to hit the road...



    Pope St. Pius X and Secretary of State, Cardinal Merry del Val  defended the Church's policy of non possumus to the emerging movement of political Zionism, stating that, as long as the Jews denied the divinity of Christ, then the Church could not legitimately make declarations in their favour.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #29 on: October 25, 2023, 08:20:27 PM »
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  • Consider how correct St. Pope Pius X and Cardinal Merry de Val were in opposing the fake state of Israel.



                Israel drops white phosphorus on Gaza civilians



            Netanya erases Palestine from the Middle East map
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi