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Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
« on: October 22, 2023, 06:43:35 AM »
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    • Pope St. Pius X, what a great pope!  Let us pray in this period of sede vacante for the election of a holy pope like St. Pius X.

    Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #1 on: October 22, 2023, 07:11:14 AM »
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    • Yes, this was posted a couple of weeks ago by Geremia, but it deserves its own thread.

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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #2 on: October 22, 2023, 10:02:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on October 22, 2023, 06:43:35 AM
    Let us pray in this period of sede vacante for the election of a holy pope like St. Pius X.

    So, given that you believe Jorge was a non-pope, do you believe that the Cardinal electors he appointed could legitimately vote in a conclave?

    Of course, naturally speaking, there's not a chance that a St. Pius X would be elected, since the V2 anti-popes have stacked the deck with Modernists.
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #3 on: October 22, 2023, 11:51:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2023, 10:02:12 AM
    So, given that you believe Jorge was a non-pope, do you believe that the Cardinal electors he appointed could legitimately vote in a conclave?

    No.  However, my degree of certitude on this right now is at the level of "opinion".
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #4 on: October 22, 2023, 12:03:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on October 22, 2023, 11:51:36 AM
    No.  However, my degree of certitude on this right now is at the level of "opinion".

    I don't have any opinion.  Sedeprivationist types would hold these might be legit Cardinals, whereas straight sedevacantists would hold that they're not.  Now, the longer Jorge continues playing pope, the more of his "Cardinals" would be "electing" the next pope.

    Informally perusing the list, I see that only about 37 of the current 135 voting "Cardinals" were appointed by JP2 or B16, meaning that nearly 100 of the 135 were appointed by Bergoglio.  So, does it even matter whom these elect?
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #5 on: October 22, 2023, 12:20:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on October 22, 2023, 06:43:35 AM
    Pope St. Pius X, what a great pope!  Let us pray in this period of sede vacante for the election of a holy pope like St. Pius X.

    Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)

    Pius X delivered a hammer blow:

    "It took three centuries for the Church to evolve. The Jews therefore had time to acknowledge his divinity without any pressure. But they haven't done so to this day."

    Check mate. 
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #6 on: October 22, 2023, 01:16:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on October 22, 2023, 12:20:39 PM
    Pius X delivered a hammer blow:

    "It took three centuries for the Church to evolve. The Jews therefore had time to acknowledge his divinity without any pressure. But they haven't done so to this day."

    Check mate.

    It would have been interesting to have been a fly on the wall to watch Herzl's face react to what St. Pius X said, and then again to hear what Hertzl reported back to his fellow Jewry, along with the plans they set in motion as a reaction.
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #7 on: October 22, 2023, 01:27:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2023, 12:03:18 PM
    I don't have any opinion.  Sedeprivationist types would hold these might be legit Cardinals, whereas straight sedevacantists would hold that they're not.  Now, the longer Jorge continues playing pope, the more of his "Cardinals" would be "electing" the next pope.

    Informally perusing the list, I see that only about 37 of the current 135 voting "Cardinals" were appointed by JP2 or B16, meaning that nearly 100 of the 135 were appointed by Bergoglio.  So, does it even matter whom these elect?
    How is there not a maximum number allowed for any pope?
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #8 on: October 22, 2023, 03:16:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 22, 2023, 01:27:57 PM
    How is there not a maximum number allowed for any pope?

    Pope has absolute monarchic rule over the Church.  He could appoint 1,000 if he wanted to and could remove the ones appointed by previous popes.  He could even, in theory, directly appoint his successor.
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2023, 03:25:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2023, 03:16:08 PM
    Pope has absolute monarchic rule over the Church.  He could appoint 1,000 if he wanted to and could remove the ones appointed by previous popes.  He could even, in theory, directly appoint his successor.
    That makes sense of course.  It would be interesting to know what the stats were for the pre-Vatican II popes.  Somehow, I doubt they went overboard with their appointments.
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2023, 07:39:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2023, 03:16:08 PM
    Pope has absolute monarchic rule over the Church.  He could appoint 1,000 if he wanted to and could remove the ones appointed by previous popes.  He could even, in theory, directly appoint his successor.

    Really? That I had never heard. 

    There are many things that a Pope cannot change, so he has not really absolute power, unlike a secular ruler.

    I understand that the Papal succession is one of these things. 

    Is there any docuмentation on how the first successors to St. Peter came to power? I imagine that the second Pope, St. Linus, was not chosen by St. Peter.
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #11 on: October 22, 2023, 10:28:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on October 22, 2023, 07:39:08 PM
    Really? That I had never heard.

    There are many things that a Pope cannot change, so he has not really absolute power, unlike a secular ruler.

    I understand that the Papal succession is one of these things.

    Is there any docuмentation on how the first successors to St. Peter came to power? I imagine that the second Pope, St. Linus, was not chosen by St. Peter.

    I could be wrong, but I kind of remember that the first Pope's elected their successors, but there were occasional exceptions to this as you can read about Pope St. Fabian I and note the miraculous way he was elected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Fabian

    I think once the College of Cardinals was instituted and established the Pope of that time defined the election process as the way to acquire the next Popes.  Sorry, my mind is fuzzy on when that was or what council.    
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #12 on: October 23, 2023, 06:23:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on October 22, 2023, 07:39:08 PM
    There are many things that a Pope cannot change, so he has not really absolute power, unlike a secular ruler.

    I understand that the Papal succession is one of these things.

    Popes are free to change the manner of selecting the next Pope.  They've regularly made tweaks but haven't done anything radical since the establishment of the College of Cardinals.
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #13 on: October 23, 2023, 07:25:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2023, 03:16:08 PM
    Pope has absolute monarchic rule over the Church.  He could appoint 1,000 if he wanted to and could remove the ones appointed by previous popes.  He could even, in theory, directly appoint his successor.

    Ah, yes.  There it is.  I've been wondering about that.

    Why are they promoting the dumb Benevacantist story?

    (As if apostate Benedict was some kind of rigid trad in contrast to Jorge) 

    Perhaps it's so they can sell the story that poor, poor (Apostate Antipope) Benedict 

    was held hostage in the Vatican by the gαy mafia

    and forced to resign against his will.

    But no worries, he secretly appointed Vigano as the next pope.
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    Re: Theodor Herzl: Audience with Pope Pius X (1904)
    « Reply #14 on: October 23, 2023, 07:49:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on October 23, 2023, 07:25:16 AM
    Ah, yes.  There it is.  I've been wondering about that.

    Why are they promoting the dumb Benevacantist story?

    Yeah, so the first problem is that about 100 of the current 135 "voting" "Cardinals" were appointed by Jorge.  So, for the Bennyvacantists, they need to address the implications of this.

    You have Barnhardt over here still clinging to the "non-resignationist" (munus vs. ministerium) argument.  Newsflash, Ann.  Ratzinger is dead.  So she has to address the problem of whether Universal Acceptance of Jorge would not validate his papacy (i.e. provide a sanatio) ... as many would believe.

    But the Bennyvacantists don't address either of these problems.  They won't and/or can't think beyond the "Jorge is not the pope" proposition.
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