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Offline josh987654321

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Re: Non-Swing-State Vote
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2024, 08:34:00 PM »
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  • OK, you can pretend that New York is still somehow in play, but assume a hypothetical then, so as not to keep doding the quesition.  If you're in a state where it's a certainty that your vote will not change the outcome, can you still vote for Trump, and why would you do so?

    Because as I said, the devil gets you two ways, presumption and despair, both can destroy you.

    Just like the seeds that Christ scatters on the ground, some have short roots, others have deep roots and there is no way of knowing who will pick up on it and how far that will go or not and it's always the least expected that nobody thought.

    Take St Joan of Arc for example, first of all, a woman should not be going into battle and that is especially crazy for that time, there is also the whole cross dressing accusation because they didn't even have any armour for her (misconstrued as cross dressing is wrong but it was a very different reason her, not a desire but a lack of options) and furthermore, they would never have taken such a chance if they were not so desperate to begin with and she didn't do any of the killing either... and yet she changed everything and did the impossible, they then got cold feet and abandoned her in the end too, whether it was overzealousness on her part or abandonment on the King's part that caused her downfall is hard to say, maybe a bit of both, in her version she had clues as to how it would end anyway, but she won against all odds and was resurrected so to speak, just as the Martyrs of Compiegne and many others.   

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

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    Re: Non-Swing-State Vote
    « Reply #16 on: October 28, 2024, 08:35:34 PM »
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  • Because as I said, the devil gets you two ways, presumption and despair, both can destroy you.

    Just like the seeds that Christ scatters on the ground, some have short roots, others have deep roots and there is no way of knowing who will pick up on it and how far that will go or not and it's always the least expected that nobody thought.

    Take St Joan of Arc for example, first of all, a woman should not be going into battle and that is especially crazy for that time, there is also the whole cross dressing accusation because they didn't even have any armour for her and furthermore, they would never have taken such a chance if they were not so desperate to begin with and she didn't do any of the killing either... and yet she changed everything and did the impossible, they then got cold feet and abandoned her in the end too, whether it was overzealousness on her part or abandonment on the King's part that caused her downfall is hard to say, maybe a bit of both, in her version she had clues as to how it would end anyway, but she was won and was resurrected so to speak, just as the Martyrs of Compiegne and many others.   

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless 
    So your voting for abortion in this upcoming election?


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    Re: Non-Swing-State Vote
    « Reply #17 on: October 28, 2024, 08:57:14 PM »
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  • So your voting for abortion in this upcoming election?

    I can't, but if I could I would do so in a heartbeat, not for abortion but against abortion and more.



    And of course, at the time in 2016 on CAF many people swore that Trump was playing us and that he would never overturn Roe v Wade etc, and of course, they were totally wrong, Trump did overturn Roe v Wade despite huge pressure and pushback and reinstated the Mexico City Policy etc, furthermore, if you get cold feet now and don't vote, then you allow a hαɾɾιs to reinstate Roe v Wade and undo all that has been achieved among so much more. 

    Furthermore, if Clinton had won in 2016... I can't even think about that for it would have been a nightmare and what is happening now would have been over before it even begun. Success and opportunities are built on previous successes and opportunities, so instead of blindly condemning especially in light of the alternative, why would one not try to build on previous success instead? Nobody goes to bed a sinner and wakes up a saint, that is true on the individual level and on the societal level and if you hold such false expectations you will always be disappointed, upset and frustrated and you will always be losing and condemning. 

    Converting people from the remnant to the remnant of the remnant constantly losing more and more ground... when do such people reflect on themselves? Is it always everybody else's fault?

    The Vendee is a classic example, doomed from the beginning and even if they got what they wanted, King Louis XIV rejected the Sacred Heart and King Louis XVI tried to flee the Country before even looking at the Sacred Heart only doing so in a jail cell which was way too little too late and that's what you will fight and die to try and restore? They acted on what they wanted to be the case and not on the reality. The Sacred Heart as a military standard was not given to the Vendee it was given to King Louis XIV who rejected it and the Martyrs of Compiegne were the only ones who ended the reign of terror and resulted in the execution of Robespierre himself which is something the Vendee could not achieve despite their best efforts. 

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless

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    Re: Non-Swing-State Vote
    « Reply #18 on: October 28, 2024, 09:09:55 PM »
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  • Because as I said, the devil gets you two ways, presumption and despair, both can destroy you.

    Whatever this means has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand.

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    Re: Non-Swing-State Vote
    « Reply #19 on: October 28, 2024, 09:14:02 PM »
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  • Whatever this means has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand.

    You are 'presuming' which states are swing and which are not, you are 'despairing' when you consider states a lost cause. 

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

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    Re: Non-Swing-State Vote
    « Reply #20 on: October 28, 2024, 10:08:51 PM »
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  • Doing the calculations of political outcomes is math, not sin.

    What's next? A sermon on ecological "sins" against "Gaia"?

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    Re: Non-Swing-State Vote
    « Reply #21 on: October 28, 2024, 10:13:35 PM »
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  • I can't, but if I could I would do so in a heartbeat, not for abortion but against abortion and more.



    And of course, at the time in 2016 on CAF many people swore that Trump was playing us and that he would never overturn Roe v Wade etc, and of course, they were totally wrong, Trump did overturn Roe v Wade despite huge pressure and pushback and reinstated the Mexico City Policy etc, furthermore, if you get cold feet now and don't vote, then you allow a hαɾɾιs to reinstate Roe v Wade and undo all that has been achieved among so much more. 

    Furthermore, if Clinton had won in 2016... I can't even think about that for it would have been a nightmare and what is happening now would have been over before it even begun. Success and opportunities are built on previous successes and opportunities, so instead of blindly condemning especially in light of the alternative, why would one not try to build on previous success instead? Nobody goes to bed a sinner and wakes up a saint, that is true on the individual level and on the societal level and if you hold such false expectations you will always be disappointed, upset and frustrated and you will always be losing and condemning. 

    Converting people from the remnant to the remnant of the remnant constantly losing more and more ground... when do such people reflect on themselves? Is it always everybody else's fault?

    The Vendee is a classic example, doomed from the beginning and even if they got what they wanted, King Louis XIV rejected the Sacred Heart and King Louis XVI tried to flee the Country before even looking at the Sacred Heart only doing so in a jail cell which was way too little too late and that's what you will fight and die to try and restore? They acted on what they wanted to be the case and not on the reality. The Sacred Heart as a military standard was not given to the Vendee it was given to King Louis XIV who rejected it and the Martyrs of Compiegne were the only ones who ended the reign of terror and resulted in the execution of Robespierre himself which is something the Vendee could not achieve despite their best efforts. 

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless
    Why would/should any Catholic care to hear what any heretic has to say on Christianity let alone the heretic Dinesh Souza. Why do you keep posting heretic and secular pro-abortionists as your sources to endorse sin? 

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    Re: Non-Swing-State Vote
    « Reply #22 on: October 30, 2024, 05:09:14 PM »
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  • Practically, yes, but why would you morally compromise yourself by endorsing Trump if there's no practical need to vote? 
    There IS a practical need to vote. Those who have ever voted understand that the ballot provides 30 to 40 opportunities to vote on important issues OTHER than the President. This includes US Congresslmen and Senators, state assemblymen and senators, state attorney generals and multiple other state offices, local mayors and city council members, school board members for local schools and community colleges, state initiatives, local legislation, county sherrifs, county D.A.s, and Judges.
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    Re: Non-Swing-State Vote
    « Reply #23 on: October 30, 2024, 08:03:37 PM »
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  • There IS a practical need to vote. Those who have ever voted understand that the ballot provides 30 to 40 opportunities to vote on important issues OTHER than the President.

    OK, but surely you must have understood that I was referring to voting for President, and not the other races.  I've already said that I'm going to vote for a number of those other issues ... just in case they're not all rigged at a lower level.