Author Topic: The true Nature of the American Constitution (Read 8818 times)

Emerentiana · « **Reply #30 on:** August 27, 2010, 08:15:49 PM »

Pius X!! was a manifest heretic ONLY IN YOUR OPINION. The church has never ruled on any of the popes from PIUS X11 until the present ones. That means your ruling doesnt carry any weight! Do you understand? You are a layman......layman dont have any authority to make these kind of pronouncements, and thereby influence others! Forum! This man is 29 years old! Wow! in 29 years (most of them lived as a Protestant) you think you have the authority to calumniate the Popes! What audacity and PRIDE! :heretic:

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #31 on:** August 27, 2010, 08:22:44 PM »

Quote from: CM

That a manifest heretic cannot hold/loses ecclesiastical office.

Like I said, you act as if you are right on every subject. If you think you're stance on religion is more important and reliable than the Pope, then it shows you likely think you're Pope. Not once have I ever seen you admit when you were wrong. Probably because you think you are never wrong when it comes to religion! You take sedevacanism to an extreme level, a level which is no longer considered sedevacanism, but rather extremism. It boarders on insanity.

CM · « **Reply #32 on:** August 27, 2010, 08:48:34 PM »

How blind you are then. What do you think the words "retractions and clarifications" mean (hint: they show up in all of my posts)?

You seem to want me to think I'm a pope or that I have authority or make "pronouncements" (rather than come to epistemological conclusions), even though I do not. You are creating a fictional version of me in your mind which to assault, but that has no basis in reality.

innocenza · « **Reply #33 on:** August 27, 2010, 11:15:55 PM »

Spiritus Sanctus, Emerentiana --

What is or is not extremism is a matter of JUDGMENT.

If your Catholic argumentation is wholly based on appeal to authority, and you do not admit the possibility that some circuмstances require the faithful to use private judgment, then I would think you are not/could not be 'sedevacantists'.

The conclusions CM draws out from the evidence he presents, are also judgments, although he may consider them to be proofs.

What is a rightly intentioned Catholic to do? At each individual's Judgment, will he be able he justify himself on the ground he followed a FALSE authority

You are all making things too SIMPLE.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #34 on:** August 28, 2010, 08:45:15 AM »

CM, why is it so important to you, to try and prove what you are saying about past popes, don't you realize that someone coming to your blog will be turned off by the Catholic faith.

Why not, try to foster Catholic ideals today, and what they must do to save their souls, how to restore grace within their souls. Isn't life today already too messed up, in that no one or hardly anyone knows where to go, just to find Our Lady who will take them to her Son.

Just imagine a person thinking of the Catholic Faith, and reading your blog, their faith is already infant, or weak, and now after reading what you say about past popes, they back away. That is not what God wants of anyone of us.

The point is you have no authority to say, past popes were heretics, in Gods time, these things will be sorted out.

My advise is to explain Our Blessed mother to those who do not understand her. Use your blog for that!

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #35 on:** August 28, 2010, 09:52:24 AM »

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We all know that the American Constitution is an evil, heretical and schismatic docuмent..

That is an ipse dixit.

BTW the "we all know" method of arguing is one of the weakest methods of argumentation.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #36 on:** August 28, 2010, 11:28:52 AM »

Quote from: CM

How blind you are then. What do you think the words "retractions and clarifications" mean (hint: they show up in all of my posts)?

You seem to want me to think I'm a pope or that I have authority or make "pronouncements" (rather than come to epistemological conclusions), even though I do not. You are creating a fictional version of me in your mind which to assault, but that has no basis in reality.

If you think your authority is greater than the Pope's then why wouldn't you think you are Pope? You sit here wasting your time nearly every day trying to make us think Pius X was an anti-pope. That is an insane belief that makes you a heretic and to think any of us would fall for that nonsense is an insult to our intelligance. I usually try to be nice about these kinds of things, but when you start fooling new Catholics into believing this stuff, that's when I start getting angry. And I'm sure God is much more angry. Like Myrna said, why not use your blog to convert people and stuff like that instead of filling their heads with ideas that are incorrect and have very little if even any evidence to back them up?

CM · « **Reply #37 on:** August 28, 2010, 11:31:46 AM »

Quote from: Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the American Constitution

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Hence the Catholic Church shall not ever be legally accorded Her rightful place as sole religion of the State. Anyone who supports the entire Constitution, supports that clause also. And that is heresy and schism, in direct contradiction to the Papal Bull Unam Sanctam.

Frankly, everybody SHOULD know that and if they don't, please do not accuse me of logical fallacies for presuming that people know what they ought to.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #38 on:** August 28, 2010, 11:39:32 AM »

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Hence the Catholic Church shall not ever be legally accorded Her rightful place as sole religion of the State. Anyone who supports the entire Constitution, supports that clause also. And that is heresy and schism, in direct contradiction to the Papal Bull Unam Sanctam.

Frankly, everybody SHOULD know that and if they don't, please do not accuse me of logical fallacies for presuming that people know what they ought to.

Why should everybody the world over know that information?

Regardless, this is the statement of yours that I said was an ipse dixit: "We all know that the American Constitution is an evil, heretical and schismatic docuмent.. "

I do not concur - I don't think everbody knows (or believes) that the American Constitution is an evil, heretical and schismatic docuмent..

If everybody knew, you would not need to be trying to convince anyone.

CM · « **Reply #39 on:** August 28, 2010, 11:39:51 AM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

Why not, try to foster Catholic ideals today, and what they must do to save their souls, how to restore grace within their souls.

LEAD A HOLY LIFE

PRAY WELL

Daily Examination of Conscience for Future Saints

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Just imagine a person thinking of the Catholic Faith, and reading your blog, their faith is already infant, or weak, and now after reading what you say about past popes, they back away.

You wouldn't know. You are merely guessing. And you are in fact wrong (I should know, I am on the receiving end of the emails).

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The point is you have no authority

Correct. But you people are hard of hearing and you never admit that I don't claim authority, and one does not NEED authority to point at something and say "Hey look at this! I know what this means!"

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My advise is to explain Our Blessed mother to those who do not understand her. Use your blog for that!

Do Catholics Worship Mary as a god?

Louis De Montfort, True Devotion to Mary

CM · « **Reply #40 on:** August 28, 2010, 11:45:58 AM »

RC, everybody I associate with knows that the American Constitution contains this deadly drop of poison. And everybody else ought to know, so that they never take an oath to uphold it, or at the very least so that they may take MODIFIED oath to avoid committing schism.

Taking an oath to support and defend the American Constitution as it is would be akin to the schismatic oath taken by jureur priests in the French revolution.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #41 on:** August 28, 2010, 11:58:41 AM »

Quote from: CM

RC, everybody I associate with knows that the American Constitution contains this deadly drop of poison. And everybody else ought to know, so that they never take an oath to uphold it, or at the very least so that they may take MODIFIED oath to avoid committing schism.

Taking an oath to support and defend the American Constitution as it is would be akin to the schismatic oath taken by jureur priests in the French revolution.

If everybody you associate with believes the same as you on this, so what?

I don't think everybody else ought to know, as a precaution so they never take an oath to uphold it. There is no likelihood for many people on this list - you know the ones in Iran, UK, European mainland, South America, Canada, Australia, NZ etc. etc.

Btw, I do not agree with your entire premise, but I don't have time to debate it now. Not that I think you are disposed to changing your mind about it anyway.

CM · « **Reply #42 on:** August 28, 2010, 12:02:59 PM »

Quote from: Roman Catholic

I don't think everybody else ought to know, as a precaution so they never take an oath to uphold it. There is no likelihood for many people on this list - you know the ones in Iran, UK, European mainland, South America, Canada, Australia, NZ etc. etc.

OBVIOUSLY, in context, I was referring to everybody to whom it is or would become relevant.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #43 on:** August 28, 2010, 12:07:59 PM »

BTW, are you Canadian as your flag indicates?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #44 on:** August 28, 2010, 01:01:54 PM »

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We all know that the American Constitution is an evil, heretical and schismatic docuмent that no Catholic can swear to defend, specifically because of the separation of Church and State. But that is not the purpose of my writing here today, this first day that I have noticed myself to have been unbanned.

Why not worry about your Canadian constitution, is that so perfect? I don't know just asking.

I will do as Christ instructed, "Give unto Caesar". . .

All I can say right now is, I am grateful to God that you are not His elected one to be our True pope.

True I have never read your blog; good to know you have something Catholic on it, but then once in awhile the current heretical popes say something Catholic also, and when they do it makes world news.

Funny, don't you agree that a supposed "Catholic pope" makes world news when he says something Catholic.

CM you exaggerate so much, and that is what heresy is, an exaggerated truth.