Author Topic: The true Nature of the American Constitution (Read 9109 times)

CM · « **Reply #15 on:** August 16, 2010, 05:39:56 PM »

Quote from: Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council, Sess. 4, Ch. 4, On the Infallible Teaching Authority of the Roman Pontiff, July 18, 1870, [i

ex cathedra[/i]]For the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles.

This is the dogma that Myrna was talking about. God has revealed what He has revealed, and therefore there can be no new revelations from which to draw new doctrine. But, in many questions He did so in a general fashion, since the Apostles and the world were as yet unable to bear them in their fullness, hence we need a Vicar of Christ on earth to settle disputes as to the true meaning of revelation. He therefore ordained that by the Holy Ghost it would be St. Peter and his successors who should "teach all truth" (St. John 16:12-13 , 21:15-18), and "bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you" (St. John 14:26).

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How do we know 'what the Church teaches',

By believing first those things which are infallible and measuring all other things against that, rejecting what is contrary (and those who offer it) and retaining what conforms. (Galatians 1:8-9)

Belloc · « **Reply #16 on:** August 20, 2010, 01:00:45 PM »

Emer, wow, well done! :cheers:

hey, maybe Cm and ClassiFallible can be allies here.....hm... :furtive:

CM · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2010, 05:01:47 PM »

Did you take an oath to defend the American Constitution Belloc? Including "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"?

Virgil the Roman · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2010, 11:48:19 PM »

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No. You will not attempt to argue against me because your lack of orthodoxy would be exposed.

Thats not true,
I am a traditional Catholic that believes ALL the sacred truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches.
I just dont think you are worth arguing with. I just really want to see you gone from here, and am trying to keep the forum alerted to your presence for the sake of newcomers.

Thanks for the heads up. I looked at CM's blog. Yeah..... :heretic:

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #19 on:** August 26, 2010, 09:03:27 AM »

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Quote from: CM
No. You will not attempt to argue against me because your lack of orthodoxy would be exposed.

Thats not true,
I am a traditional Catholic that believes ALL the sacred truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches.
I just dont think you are worth arguing with. I just really want to see you gone from here, and am trying to keep the forum alerted to your presence for the sake of newcomers.

Thanks for the heads up. I looked at CM's blog. Yeah..... :heretic:

Well you're new here, so I'll warn you more about WHY CM should be avoided. He thinks he's Pope. Literally. Someone else here thinks they are as well.

CM · « **Reply #20 on:** August 26, 2010, 04:03:35 PM »

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CM should be avoided. He thinks he's Pope. Literally.

How many times do I have to contradict your lies?

Quote from: About this blog (on my blog)

I have already received plenty of "You're your own pope!" comments, and as amusing as they are, they are completely useless and unoriginal. I do NOT think I am a pope.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #21 on:** August 26, 2010, 08:13:46 PM »

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CM should be avoided. He thinks he's Pope. Literally.

How many times do I have to contradict your lies?

Quote from: About this blog (on my blog)
I have already received plenty of "You're your own pope!" comments, and as amusing as they are, they are completely useless and unoriginal. I do NOT think I am a pope.

My lies? Whose the one that acts as if 90% of our Popes were anti-popes. If anyone is guilty of lies here, it is you. Your blog is confusing people into thinking good Popes like Pius X are anti-popes. I think it's a crime. You're depriving those poor people of religious knowledge.

CM · « **Reply #22 on:** August 26, 2010, 08:19:46 PM »

I'm not depriving people of anything at all. As I have told you before, everything on my blog is verifiable. You can't say I'm lying. All you can say is that you don't agree with the conclusions I've come to from examining what real historical men (like Leo XIII and Pius X) have actually said on the historical record.

Your disagreement with the conclusions I have come to, by the way, means that you believe that a man can contradict the words of the Solemn Magisterial dogmatic definitions as they were declared and remain Catholic and continue to hold office in the Church. Even if such men never recanted their words.

CM · « **Reply #23 on:** August 26, 2010, 08:23:13 PM »

BESIDES, this thread is not about religious issues but about secular ones.

And note that the powers that be are getting nervous and are now trying to demonize those who are rejecting their false authority and unjust use of power.

http://www.infowars.com/cnn-opposition-to-government-bankers-is-criminal/

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #24 on:** August 26, 2010, 08:45:17 PM »

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I'm not depriving people of anything at all. As I have told you before, everything on my blog is verifiable. You can't say I'm lying. All you can say is that you don't agree with the conclusions I've come to from examining what real historical men (like Leo XIII and Pius X) have actually said on the historical record.

Your disagreement with the conclusions I have come to, by the way, means that you believe that a man can contradict the words of the Solemn Magisterial dogmatic definitions as they were declared and remain Catholic and continue to hold office in the Church. Even if such men never recanted their words.

You act as if you're right on everything and that anyone who disagrees with you is a major sinner.

CM · « **Reply #25 on:** August 26, 2010, 09:20:25 PM »

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You act as if you're right on everything

People don't hold a position unless they think it's right.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #26 on:** August 27, 2010, 09:24:07 AM »

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You act as if you're right on everything

People don't hold a position unless they think it's right.

That's just it. You seem to KNOW you're right. People have told you time and time again that when you were searching for Traditional Catholicism you took it way too far yet you refuse to listen. Now look where you are. In a position where if a Pope did one, just one thing that wasn't right in your eyes he was therefore an anti-pope. Then again, why would you listen to us? Any who disagrees with you is an enemy of Christ in your eyes.

CM · « **Reply #27 on:** August 27, 2010, 07:43:30 PM »

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if a Pope did one, just one thing that wasn't right in your eyes...

That my dear SpiritusSanctus is not my position and I'll thank you not to misrepresent it, and furthermore not in this thread..

Emerentiana · « **Reply #28 on:** August 27, 2010, 08:02:56 PM »

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if a Pope did one, just one thing that wasn't right in your eyes...

That my dear SpiritusSanctus is not my position and I'll thank you not to misrepresent it, and furthermore not in this thread..

None of us are misrepresenting your position.......you have made your position abundently clear! :heretic:

CM · « **Reply #29 on:** August 27, 2010, 08:06:13 PM »

That a manifest heretic cannot hold/loses ecclesiastical office.