Everybody has their opinions about the "nαzιs." In the end though, it all seems meaningless, because the term "nαzι" is used as carelessly as the term "racists" or "sexist." On the other hand, when someone calls somebody a "nαzι," we all know it is a put down and usually implies that the person being labeled a "nαzι" is a very bad person/expressing very bad views.  So, it seems to me that the purpose of the term is to punish people who express opinions that are "politically incorrect," often with the effect of shutting them up.  Of course the term can be extended to entire organizations.  Thus preventing groups of like minded people from coming together to express opinions that are deemed "politically incorrect" and/or "nαzι."  

Yes it is, but that doesn't mean such a thing doesn't exist, nor does it mean that such a thing is Catholic.

The misuse or misapplication of a concept does not suddenly mean that a concept ceases to exist, or that we should ignore all moral implications of a concept.  To think this is to embrace relativism.

This seems like a convenient way to gas-light anyone who is concerned about traditional Catholics who don't think Hitler was a hero.

Yes it is, but that doesn't mean such a thing doesn't exist, nor does it mean that such a thing is Catholic.

The misuse or misapplication of a concept does not suddenly mean that a concept ceases to exist, or that we should ignore all moral implications of a concept.  To think this is to embrace relativism.

This seems like a convenient way to gas-light anyone who is concerned about traditional Catholics who don't think Hitler was a hero.

I think the only form of government catholic culture produced was monarchy.  I don't think Democracy is a product of catholic culture either.  However, I do think it was a product of protestant culture, because of their insistence on equality, which unfortunately, we see a lot more of in the post vatican ii church, than we saw in the pre-vatican ii church.  Again though, I think we're often termed a "nαzι"/"religious wacko," if we express that view.  So, I'm just tired of that.  

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Yes it is, but that doesn't mean such a thing doesn't exist, nor does it mean that such a thing is Catholic.

The misuse or misapplication of a concept does not suddenly mean that a concept ceases to exist, or that we should ignore all moral implications of a concept.  To think this is to embrace relativism.

This seems like a convenient way to gas-light anyone who is concerned about traditional Catholics who don't think Hitler was a hero.

Too late to edit.  Omit "anyone who is concerned about" in the last sentence.

Yeah, that's what I thought you meant, but I had to read it a few times to get that.  

I am frequently labelled a "liberal" on this website, when in the real world liberals would call me a nαzι.  None of them think I am a loony though since it is clear to them that I am not a failure and have a pretty good grasp of the nettle of life.

You can't please all of the people all of the time and real men don't lose any sleep trying.

Try adding some courage to your convictions.  Moaning and bitchin about life and MK Ultra and the Joos gives people the ammunition to mock you.  Why not outthink and outsmart those nasty and the banks and prove the superiority of your life philosophy with ACTIONS rather than words?

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People call everyone to the right of them politically "nαzιs" because for some reason most people have respect for those to the left of them but have no respect for people to the right of them. I don't know why that is.

Well, I think it you go far enough to the right on the political spectrum you don't end up a nαzι, you end up a catholic.    

Of course, abolishing those traditional catholic values in the west and replacing them with their opposite, has been the point of revolution in the west and the cause of the death of the west.  

Still, a revolution can't succeed without putting down its enemies.  So, it needs weapons and these psychological weapons (for example, ostracism for expressing "bad" views) are very effective.

You are right. The word "nαzι" is the second tool in the тαℓмυdic tool box right behind anti-Semitism. It is routinely used to destroy anyone who dares voice an opposing opinion. This method of labeling others in this fashion has been internalized by western peoples through indoctrination and "entertainment". The majority of people have an inculcated revulsion to either of these epiphets and react quite predictably in condemning anyone who falls under their condemnations.  It is quite effective in marginalizing any dissent from established politically correct thought or speech.

Sadly this Marxist styled method of denouncing others is even present among Catholics. There are examples of this on this and many other Catholic forums.

To say anything which is out of place is to become a crazy, evil, stupid "nαzι".
I would think that it saves the true revolutionaries the trouble of doing it themselves.

Democracy as envisioned today and Communism are two faces of the same coin. Both deceptions, both evil,, and both enslaving.  
The Catholic concept of society is entirely foreign to both.

I think you're right.  Although, I'd characterize it as a "machiavellian" way of denouncing people, in order to gain power.  In that sense, I think it is very "modern."  Still, not everyone who does it, may realize that.  

I saw alfred hitchock's film, "lifeboat" recently.  It is a 1944 war film, but like so many films from that era, it is sort of a conversation about God and morals.  It does involve german soldiers from wwii (usually referred to as "nαzιs," although that was a political party, not a country).  Anyway, one thing I found odd about the film was how selfishness (he holds out some water from other members of the crew, which causes the death of one crew member, which the german soldier rationalizes in much the same way many americans have rationalized euthanasia for as long as I can remember) was somehow regarded as a "nαzι" trait, as if they invented selfishness!  A similar scenario is played out
in the 1940 film, "Strange Cargo."  Although, in that film the one who holds out the food and water from the others is a devout catholic!  Who, by the way, is also killed by the crew, but without the general consensus that there is in "Lifeboat."  I found that to be not a coincidence, since the war was against germany, not the vatican.  

I am frequently labelled a "liberal" on this website, when in the real world liberals would call me a nαzι.

Yeah, labels like those seem to have been rendered meaningless.  In much the same way terms like "conservative" and "homophobic" have been.  Even terms like "pedophilia" get tossed around like candy.  How a 19 year old male  who dates a 17 year old female can be equated with a man who molests toddlers is beyond me!, but i see it happen all the time.  Still, just by saying that, I wouldn't be surprised if someone accuses me of defending pedophilia!  It's "looney tunes!"  

When have you seen a 19 year old dating a 17 year old called that?

That really would be wacky since I imagine a 2 year age difference is very common.

Yeah, that is wacky.  

I recently saw a woman do something like that.  She was concerned about "pedophiles" stalking her daughter on the internet and was calling for more internet protections for children.  But her daughter was 17 and seemed to be posting pictures of herself in immodest clothing.  So, I just thought her mother using the term "pedophile" was ridiculous.