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"In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."


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Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2020, 11:56:32 PM »
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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
    « Reply #2 on: July 10, 2020, 05:09:51 AM »
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  • This article is by Jonathon von Maren who works for Lifesitenews, was awarded the Irv Epstein B’nai Brith Award for Achievement in Combating Hatred and Defamation and was a 2010 nominee, for Community Leadership Award, Canadian Federation of Jєωιѕн Students.

    He is rehashing the already debunked falsehoods of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity.


    https://www.endthekilling.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/JVM_Curriculum_Vitae.pdf




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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
    « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2020, 05:19:56 AM »
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  • Goodness - didn't know that Nadir.  Thank you for the information.  Life site news would have to be aware of that wouldn't they?
    I wish I could delete the article.
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2020, 05:34:10 AM »
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  • Yes, Donkath, I am ptretty sure Lifesitenews would be aware. When I see this sort of thing I think opusjudei. Matthew may do it  if you ask him nicely. On the other hand it may be good to leave it as a warning. The news needs to get out. God bless!
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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
    « Reply #5 on: July 10, 2020, 05:46:54 AM »
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  • Yes, it could be used as a warning Nadir.  Good thinking.
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
    « Reply #6 on: July 10, 2020, 06:47:28 PM »
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  • I don't like to burst anyone's bubble, but Jonathon Von Maren also writes for Times of Israel.
    Without doubt he produces some good work, but it certainly makes me wonder why Lifesitenews chose him. 

    Surviving the Warsaw Ghetto | Jonathon Van Maren | The Blogs
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/surviving-the-warsaw-ghetto/

    The miracle of Le Chambon | Jonathon Van Maren | The Blogs
    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-miracle-of-le-chambon/


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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
    « Reply #7 on: July 10, 2020, 09:00:14 PM »
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  • I don't like to burst anyone's bubble, but Jonathon Van Maren also writes for Times of Israel. Without doubt he produces some good work, but it certainly makes me wonder why Lifesitenews chose him.

    Perhaps LSN is unaware of his Jєωιѕн connections, or perhaps it isn't and chose him for that very reason; that is, to give itself some street cred with the (((Establishment))).

    I incline to the latter opinion, not least because Van Maren is a Canadian and writes a great deal for Canadian publications of all sorts. Everyone who writes professionally knows that Canadian journalism is even less open to contrarian opinion than US journalism, as hard as some might find that to believe. To gain admission to any area of influence, the masters of Canadian social, political, and journalistic policy require a candidate to have a mind-set that invariably prefers the foreign-born to the native-born, the Third World to the European, the nonwhite to the white, the Muslim to the Christian, and the Jєω to any and all others.

    Given Van Maren's youth, his inexperience, his pretentiousness, and despite all these liabilities his success, it seems reasonable to suppose that he is an agent of managed opposition. Put otherwise, he pushes a few buttons on an issue or two where Catholics are unaccustomed to seeing any mainstream support, and in so doing he acquires an instant reputation as being someone on "our" side. His bona fides having once been established, he can then proceed to divert attention away from the true evildoers (guess who?) and toward some real but distinctly secondary irritant, like so-called liberals or boomers or sushi fanciers. That his stance is little more than a pose will, unfortunately but predictably, escape the attention of insufficiently critical readers, as it did here and elsewhere with donkath and as similar frauds have done on occasions too numerous to reckon with VCR and a few others. Thus the importance and, what is more, the virtue in your calling Van Maren out for what he is.


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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
    « Reply #8 on: July 11, 2020, 05:39:05 AM »
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    Calling Van Maren out for what he is....

    He is an adherent of the Netherlands Reformed Congregations. I had to look that one up - sort of puritan and calvinist it seems.

    Thank you for your thoughts, Claudel. They make sense.
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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
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  • Perhaps LSN is unaware of his Jєωιѕн connections, or perhaps it isn't and chose him for that very reason; that is, to give itself some street cred with the (((Establishment))).

    I incline to the latter opinion, not least because Van Maren is a Canadian and writes a great deal for Canadian publications of all sorts. Everyone who writes professionally knows that Canadian journalism is even less open to contrarian opinion than US journalism, as hard as some might find that to believe. To gain admission to any area of influence, the masters of Canadian social, political, and journalistic policy require a candidate to have a mind-set that invariably prefers the foreign-born to the native-born, the Third World to the European, the nonwhite to the white, the Muslim to the Christian, and the Jєω to any and all others.

    Given Van Maren's youth, his inexperience, his pretentiousness, and despite all these liabilities his success, it seems reasonable to suppose that he is an agent of managed opposition. Put otherwise, he pushes a few buttons on an issue or two where Catholics are unaccustomed to seeing any mainstream support, and in so doing he acquires an instant reputation as being someone on "our" side. His bona fides having once been established, he can then proceed to divert attention away from the true evildoers (guess who?) and toward some real but distinctly secondary irritant, like so-called liberals or boomers or sushi fanciers. That his stance is little more than a pose will, unfortunately but predictably, escape the attention of insufficiently critical readers, as it did here and elsewhere with donkath and as similar frauds have done on occasions too numerous to reckon with VCR and a few others. Thus the importance and, what is more, the virtue in your calling Van Maren out for what he is.

    Thanks also Claudel.

    I didn't read through the whole article, but I was deeply touched by the video itself where it showed the simple and beautiful humanity of a man for his fellow sufferers.  One who dedicated his whole life to saving their lives.
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
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  • He is an adherent of the Netherlands Reformed Congregations. I had to look that one up - sort of puritan and calvinist it seems.

    Calvinism was indeed the central aspect of the Dutch Reformed Church in its origins, but by 1950 here in the New World there was little to distinguish the Dutch Reformed from Presbyterians, except that there were rather more of the latter in most parts of the States other than here in New York State and south as far as Delaware. That is to say, in common with most other modern-day mainline Protestant denominations, the Dutch Reformed, like the Presbyterians, now believe much less even than the conciliarists do.*

    One of the three closest friends I've ever had was a man who was born in the Hague in 1927, grew to early adolescence in Dutch Indonesia, and returned with his family to the Netherlands in 1940, just before the German occupation of the country—a far less unpleasant experience, as he said, than his family would have had in Japanese-occupied Java! The point I am taking too long to reach is that my friend was raised in the Dutch Reformed Church, and he said that even in the immediate postwar years, the thing that most markedly differentiated Protestants from Catholics in the Netherlands was that the latter talked far more about God. My friend was not alone, of course, in seeing that that difference was effectively eliminated by Vatican II!

    Over the thirty years he and I were good friends, he more than once said to me, "I do not understand why your church stopped using Latin. I knew people who became Catholics after being initially attracted to the church's liturgy." Since I myself became a proper Trad only in 2003 and my friend died in February 2008, it was a long time before I was able to give him a good answer to his question.
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    *Is the situation similar in Oz?


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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
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  • Thank you so much for sharing this with us Claudel.  Nadir might know more about the Aussie question you ask.
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    Re: The Shoah: The murdered multitude and the righteous few
    « Reply #12 on: July 11, 2020, 11:35:24 PM »
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    *Is the situation similar in Oz?

    I was actually wondering if you could answer, Donkath, but you don't know much more than me.

    I had never heard of the Reformed Church, let alone Dutch Reformed. After a websearch I found no Dutch and Reformed is rare - <60 churches for the whole of Oz. One is Chinese Reformed!

    Many towns have their local Presbyterian, but commonly small and almost moribund.
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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.