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Offline dust-7

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« on: August 16, 2007, 11:59:43 PM »
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  • Posted by MP, in another thread:

    "dust-7" supports Israeli brutality against civilians of Lebanon:

    http://www.hannity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-78669.html

    http://www.hannity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80600&page=4

    "dust-7"'s justification for Israeli collective punishment:

    http://www.hannity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79783&page=3

    "dust-7" the Newt Gingrich fan amped up for WWIII:

    http://www.hannity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-78766.html

    "dust-7" supports Israeli apartheid wall:


    So I'd thought I'd reply.


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    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2007, 12:09:30 AM »
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    Posted by MP, in another thread:

    . . .

    http://www.hannity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-78669.html


    There's a great deal of restraint on Israel's part in reacting to these rocket attacks. Imagine if Mexico allowed some group to fire 1000 Soviet rockets into the San Diego and the LA area. If they did that, we'd have forward units of a rapid reaction force in the streets of Mexico City within two or three days, and the launch area would look like the surface of the moon.

    This is part of what they're up against:

    Katushas have continued to rain down on northern Israel, landing north of Nahariya, in the western Galilee communities, and in the Akko area. There have been reports of 4 people being lightly injured. One rocket directly hit a house, ;wounding the father of a family, while his wife and children were not hurt.

    Southern Israel has not been immune to attack either. At least 20 Kassams landed in Sderot and south of Ashkelon, lightly wounding two people.

    IDF operations in the south and north continued overnight and this morning. The IAF have struck more targets in Lebanon, including the port of Beirut, a fishing port, and the Lebanese army's radar system in bases in the northern city of Tripoli and in the town of Abada. The IDF have targeted the radar systems since they had been used by Hizbullah to hit a ship on Friday. According to Ha'aretz, the IDF have "all but accused the Lebanese military of lending its support to Hizbullah."

    . . .

    As for the critics of Israel's response to hundreds of incoming rockets, I think you're right. Their complaints against Israeli counter-attack make little sense. And Israel even for such a vicious attack, which has taken many Israelis lives, and wounded many others, and caused a great deal of physical damage, is showing restraint on its own, without any suggestion from the US, which in turn, and I think rightly, is saying to Israel, take it as far as you wish, this time.

     . . .

    In the gaza, it's been nothing but a history of terrorism. They shouldn't have to put up with that.

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    Now, admittedly, this presumed a certain resolve on the part of the Israelis that evaporated as they quickly caved to the UN, which was controlled by their enemies. This is partly why the present doubt, angst, concern within Israel, and why 'knights' are sought to help recover. As they continue to show weakness, they encourage attack. This is the thinking of their enemies, who have pledged to attack Israel with nuclear weapons as soon as such become available (and was the principal justification for concluding the war with the Ba'athist regime who were feared to be developing just such weapons), as has Iran, and who otherwise have pledged to drive Israel into the sea.



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    « Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 12:16:40 AM »
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    Posted by MP, in another thread:

    . . .

    http://www.hannity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-78669.html


    The IDF and IAF have altered many plans, surely, to avoid the 'human shields' used by the 'brave warriors' of irrendentist pride in Lebanon. We saw the same sort of 'bravery' in Iraq with some of Saddam's forces.


    What that means is that the army and air force surely changed plans to avoiding killing or injuring innocent civilians used as 'human shields' by the thugs that you seem to defend. We saw this even in Iraq, where children were marched ahead of armed Iraqi irregulars so that they might shoot at Allied troops, but those men would be reluctant to fire back.


    I also wrote:

    They are in the right, and their attackers are the enemy of those free nations. Right now, the IDF and IAF are exemplary, brave, talented (probably with more ace pilots than any country in the world, and for a very small air force), and eager to avoid casualities among non-combatants, given the 'bravery' they face of terrorists eager to disappear among non-combatants and send ambush from that location. It's an admirable force, fighting for the life of their nation. In a way, it's not unlike Ft. McHenry, and the desire of our new nation to remain free. Two guys sat on a hilltop across the way, during the naval bombardment, and wrote a short poem about what they saw that night and into the morning.

    Of course, you might counter that such is exaggerated, and melodramatic, etc. After all, Hezbollah has fired occasional rockets into Israel long before this. It's all part of one continuous battle or war. But it's not that the IDF or IAF want to kill, particularly noncombatants. They particularly do not. It's that the 'brave terrorists' wish to do so - but no one wants to say the blood of innocents is on their hands.


    And - you - would not say that either, correct? The Israelis are always to blame, never those who attack them?

    Perhaps you could be clear, for once. Here's a thread where you can express yourself. I personally would like to know what your views are with regard to even the question - does Israel have a right to exist?

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    « Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 12:57:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: dust-7
    Posted by MP, in another thread:

    . . .

    "dust-7" the Newt Gingrich fan amped up for WWIII:

    http://www.hannity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-78766.html


    And that's not what I wrote:

    This is the Cold War continued. And the Soviets are losing. The Chicoms are losing, despite how things may seem. What both have is far more weaponry and far larger forces. The question will be, do they have to bluff the west with attack, will they attack, or will they continue to try to defeat the free west 'without firing a shot'? The leftist establishment has accomplished much for them, after all, in this the supposedly last 'superpower'. So viewed that way, it might seem grim for the free west.

    But it's also easy to become defeatist. And I sense a bit of that in Newt. You can see too much of the 'inside moves', too much of the world, and lose perspective, and lose ones bearings. The fact is, Afganistan is free from the Taliban, and Iraq has already formed its second government. Iran is spouting, but completely in check - and surrounded (which is probably why they're spouting, and pushing Hezbollah, etc). The North Koreans threatened a long range missile, that went nowhere, and have only succeeded in so frightening the Japanese, that the nation so unilaterally opposed to nuclear weapons seems quickly to be casting aside that objection in favor of being the one to push the button were they to be attacked.


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    I'd add that certain critics, on this forum, seem to want to have it both ways. They would complain about Communism, but perhaps not about Communists. They would complain, perhaps, of Islam, but not of Islamic countries already shown to be militarily belligerent, particularly if it meant supporting ANY action taken by Israel.

    And that leads to the question - Does Israel have a right to exist? And apparently, some here believe that The Roman Catholic Church dogmatically teaches that Jєωs must forever wander. It's certainly understood that they still suffer punishment for attacking those Jєωs faithful to God and His Church. The Church, nor any reasonable person not Catholic, cannot condone the alterations of Scriptures known as the TNK, nor various opinions of the тαℓмυd.

    But it is neither reasonable to attack Israel. The Church even did oppose such a nation, at least as far as I know. Someone correct me if that's wrong. But that opposition weakened after the war. The British were disheartened by Jєωιѕн terrorism, and a 'war abroad'. Even almost as soon as the British received their 'mandate' from the collapsed Ottoman Empire after WWI, there were those certainly eager to attempt a co-operative arrangement. But those seeking peace were threatened and harassed by Arab 'liberationists', long before WWII. It was restated by Lord Peel of Britain, just before the war in 1937, that such co-operation would not be possible - suggesting partition as the alternative.

    Even before the war, Jєωιѕн factions operated as terrorists hoping to destroy support at home for continued British control of Palestine. They attacked not only innocents, but specifically the Arabs who opposed them, as well.

    While Hitler's Final Solution was important in passing Resolution 181 for partition, it was more the fact that Jєωs were denied emigration from occupied nαzι territory in order to escape such a fate. So the state of Israel was created, essentially, on the argument of guilt and a prevention of such emigration refusals in future. Should Jєωs need to escape, that is, Israel would be one nation to allow them entry.









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    « Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 01:47:41 AM »
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  • Gingrich says it's World War III

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    My goodness, I'm all a-flutter with patriotism.
    I feel like running straight out to buy war bonds! ...

    I want the old Newt back. I don't like 'new Newt' at all.

    Maybe there should be a write-in campaign to bring back 'classic Newt'. ("dust-7", July 17, 2006)

    http://www.hannity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-78766.html




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    « Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 02:00:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: MauricePinay
    Gingrich says it's World War III

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    My goodness, I'm all a-flutter with patriotism.
    I feel like running straight out to buy war bonds! ...

    I want the old Newt back. I don't like 'new Newt' at all.

    Maybe there should be a write-in campaign to bring back 'classic Newt'. ("dust-7", July 17, 2006)

    http://www.hannity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-78766.html


    The 'my goodness' stuff was obviously written by someone else. But you can read just above:

    But it's also easy to become defeatist. And I sense a bit of that in Newt. You can see too much of the 'inside moves', too much of the world, and lose perspective, and lose ones bearings. The fact is, Afganistan is free from the Taliban, and Iraq has already formed its second government. Iran is spouting, but completely in check - and surrounded (which is probably why they're spouting, and pushing Hezbollah, etc). The North Koreans threatened a long range missile, that went nowhere, and have only succeeded in so frightening the Japanese, that the nation so unilaterally opposed to nuclear weapons seems quickly to be casting aside that objection in favor of being the one to push the button were they to be attacked.

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    You seem to imagine that the above is somehow manifestly a confession of sin, by what standard I can't imagine. You seem to believe it ought to be included in my next Confession.

    Or perhaps it's self-evidently sinful to those who have a twisted view of things?

    What do you have to say?

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    « Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 02:14:36 AM »
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  • Hypocrite

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    But it really happened, this 'Final Solution' as the nαzιs saw it.

    Denying it is wrong. You may not be Catholic. But as a Catholic I would say - it's not what Catholics do. ("dust-7")

    http://www.cathinfo.com/bb/index.php?a=topic&t=2822&min=120&num=15

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    « Reply #7 on: August 17, 2007, 01:24:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: MauricePinay
    Hypocrite

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    But it really happened, this 'Final Solution' as the nαzιs saw it.

    Denying it is wrong. You may not be Catholic. But as a Catholic I would say - it's not what Catholics do. ("dust-7")


    Again, you may not be Catholic. But denying the 'Final Solution to the Jєωιѕн Question', as the nαzιs saw it, as they termed it, is just not something a Catholic would do. It requires a dismissal of the evidence to deny such a thing, the eagerness to ignore all testimony, even as was seen in the other thread.

    Hypocrite, examine that plank sticking out of your eye.