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Why Almost Everyone Has to Go to College
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2013, 08:46:28 PM »
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  • This guy resorted to ad hominem, invalid ad hominem, but the following quote of his is germane to this topic - he sends his children to public school and intends to continue.  It's important to point this out, because it really shows his views of education are not really in harmony with Catholic teaching:

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    I know three homeschooling Trad mothers in the UK.

    One of them is really into it and blogs about how fantastic it is.  Many of the women who have read her blog and know that I know her ask me whether she is really as energetic and driven as she appears to be on her blog.  The other two wives are pressured to do it by their Trad husbands and comply obediently, but they have both told my wife they think it is ridiculous and are worried that their children are going to grow up as misfits and are particularly worried about secondary education, maths, science.  The father's don't do a great deal to help educate in either case.

    There is a great divergence of opinion on it.

    My children all go to the local state schools (non-Catholic) and I intend to keep it that way.  Problems will arise and I will deal with them as they arise.




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    « Reply #62 on: February 24, 2013, 07:10:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    This guy resorted to ad hominem, invalid ad hominem, but the following quote of his is germane to this topic - he sends his children to public school and intends to continue.  It's important to point this out, because it really shows his views of education are not really in harmony with Catholic teaching:

    Quote from: ggreg
    I know three homeschooling Trad mothers in the UK.

    One of them is really into it and blogs about how fantastic it is.  Many of the women who have read her blog and know that I know her ask me whether she is really as energetic and driven as she appears to be on her blog.  The other two wives are pressured to do it by their Trad husbands and comply obediently, but they have both told my wife they think it is ridiculous and are worried that their children are going to grow up as misfits and are particularly worried about secondary education, maths, science.  The father's don't do a great deal to help educate in either case.

    There is a great divergence of opinion on it.

    My children all go to the local state schools (non-Catholic) and I intend to keep it that way.  Problems will arise and I will deal with them as they arise.





    That is true of many other posters on here too.

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    « Reply #63 on: February 24, 2013, 07:15:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: Tiffany
    That is true of many other posters on here too.


    Public schooling was permitted in the past for those who didn't have options.  No choice means no choice.  It boggles the mind, that any trad could consider it the first choice rather than a last resort.

    It required permission of the bishop.  I think you'd be surprised about "many."

    I doubt it's as many as you think.

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    « Reply #64 on: July 11, 2013, 11:51:12 PM »
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    Why Almost Everyone Has to Go to College
    Posted on December 30, 2012 by thrasymachus33308

    To be white is to be a suspicious person in America. You will say only blue-collar whites are regarded with suspicion, and that is exactly my point. College is the place where whites can more or less be guaranteed to be socialized- ”brainwashed” is a little harsh- to be reliably cooperative with the system. But aren’t there conservative colleges, and conservative intellectuals? There are, but what these people believe in is not conservatism, but economic liberalism. They want free trade and open immigration, pretty much what rich liberals want anyway. They give the appearance of being an opposition without meaningfully opposing anything. So a college-educated white person can be counted on to be a liberal or a National Review style conservative or libertarian. He certainly won’t believe in anything like ethnic nationalism.


    Yes, but these whites prefer whites to nonwhites, regardless of what they say to the cameras.

    As Joe Sobran has said:

    The purpose of a college education is to learn the correct view of minorities, and to acquire the means to live as far away from them as possible.

    Here's another one:

    The mating and migratory habits of white liberals are indistinguishable from that of the KKK.

    White liberals are insincere and double-minded on race.

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    The system needs college-educated minorities to act as commissars or political police in government and large businesses.


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    College is important for everybody because it is important to making the system work- indoctrinating whites and training minorities to work for it as enforcers.


    And I find that many minorities on these trad Catholic forums function in the same respect. They're here to keep an eye on white Catholics. Nearly every mixed race or nonwhite person (or people married to a nonwhite) I encounter on these trad Cath forums has PC views on race. Which means they're Judaized.

    By having PC views on race they're promoting their own racial interests, and unwittingly (or not so unwittingly) serving the Jєωs.


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    « Reply #65 on: July 12, 2013, 12:26:01 AM »
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  • The whole having to go to college thing is so overrated. I understand if it is for important professions in demand like doctor, lawyer, accountant, teacher, business management, engineer, computer programmer, etc., but why waste so much time and money to go to college and have nothing later on? I can tell this from experience. I very much admire and look up to those in professions that do not require a degree too. It's sad though that it's not like the days of people in the 1970s and 1980s where one could earn a college degree in anything and enter into many sorts of fields that would not even be necessarily related to the person's degree. Times have changed, and so now the system itself is indeed purposely rigged to enslave people with debt and play the whole racism issue card to keep everyone in control. There are many others factors in that, of course.
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    « Reply #66 on: July 12, 2013, 02:14:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Quote from: Tiffany
    That is true of many other posters on here too.


    Public schooling was permitted in the past for those who didn't have options.  No choice means no choice.  It boggles the mind, that any trad could consider it the first choice rather than a last resort.

    It required permission of the bishop.  I think you'd be surprised about "many."

    I doubt it's as many as you think.


    I would hesitate to use a 'Catholic' school around here (one that isnt a trad parish).

    I feel the corrupted doctrine theyd receive would be more hazardous than 'the world'...at least I can tell them "that's the world" but what would I say about a 'catholic' school? "Well, the sign outside just says catholic, but what your teacher told you there isnt catholic"

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    « Reply #67 on: July 13, 2013, 08:43:41 PM »
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  • I did all the bawling-crying when our Cat school (quite a drive) was closed a few years back; I now think the public system (US South) is quite ...independent. We've got Baptist teachers, many of whom refuse to teach non-Baptist things (state-sponsored propaganda). Compared to the Cat school that was shut down, it's not so bad (if you keep an eye on things: drop in, volunteer, etc). We're doing more home-schooling, but the kids are at Mass enough, and our priest is really good with all the parish's kids (to know Latin, chant, the prayers, etc). In retrospect, I think the public schools aren't so bad in the South, and if you take on the responsibility to basically homeschool. Our local public schools have afforded my kids a lot of freedom (independent classes; and my son recites Sext outside at lunch, privately, but he's gotten a crowd, and our parish has gotten some of his friends' families converted. (I love converts; they're better than many cradles. LOTS of enthusiasm; good high standards to live up to.)

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    Women shouldn't go to college because they take jobs from breadwinners and lose their innocence.

    You prefer a PC woman teaching mathematics in a public school to a man like me teaching mathematics in a Catholic school.  That's the reality, behind all your pretense of benevolence.


    I'm so divided on this, but I was in a grad-level mathematics when I got married and became a mom. My dad paid for most of my education, but my DH paid off my loans, and it doesn't escape me that I do nothing to "bring home the bacon" that I couldn't have done outside of 12th grade, except I think I am probably more capable as a person, and a teacher to my children. I don't think I would have been attractive to my now-husband if it weren't for a diffy q prof through whom we met.

    And my mom (Lord let light perpetual shine on her) was the same way (except she was in Cat boarding school for secondary, and stopped with a Bachelor's, and had a career for 15 years before she married).

    Both Mom and myself retained our, um, innocence (I got married in grad school; Mom had a career and didn't get married until she was about 35, but she lived with her mother and didn't date anyone until my dad).

    I think college was beneficial for us both. She noted that I sure could have used some "home economics-type" classes (they had that in her day), but in both cases, we "attracted" strong, trad men who were VERY particular about who they would court/marry. (Also, neither my mom nor I had intended to marry: she had a career in fashion buying on the East Coast that was lucrative, to take care of her mother and help her other family members; and I never had an actual 'career', though I got paid for some code, and had great internships, studied abroad, etc while in college).

    And yet, the moment we married, both Mom and I definitely dropped everything and filled our roles God intended. (We didn't work; both home- and baby-makers). My mom even put her assets in Dad's name the moment when they married. But I guess the thing is, I really REALLY don't think either my dad or my husband would have married ..."uneducated" women. But it was clear (albeit a cold rag in the face at the time!) that my husband didn't want me to complete my PhD; my dad agreed with him. I guess for my dad, college and grad school was like, "time between high school and Marriage".

    Interesting discussion. Would you date a woman that hadn't read Russian Lit, studied abroad, etc? (Because I hadn't thought of it before this thread, but I REALLY don't think my dad or husband would have considered marrying women without some amount of education.) Just curious.
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    « Reply #68 on: July 13, 2013, 09:22:09 PM »
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    Would you date a woman that hadn't read Russian Lit, studied abroad, etc? (Because I hadn't thought of it before this thread, but I REALLY don't think my dad or husband would have considered marrying women without some amount of education.) Just curious.


    I don't care about a woman's level of education and I certainly don't care about overseas adventures.

    Sending an intelligent well-brought up woman who hopes to marry into various degree programs is at best gilding the lily.