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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
« Reply #75 on: September 22, 2017, 03:26:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on September 22, 2017, 03:16:47 PM
    1. Who made it "official"?
    1. What office of the Church is this of?
    2. What words are in the DR? That's pretty "official" of itself, no? (here, let me help you with that D-R NT Canon)
    3. What is in the Vulgate? Oh hey lookit, for just one...  Vulgate/English APOCALYPSIS
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    Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
    « Reply #76 on: September 23, 2017, 08:29:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Student of Qi on September 22, 2017, 01:10:54 PM
    The Flat Earthers have said Jerusalem is the centre of the world, so by their own charts of the dome, etc. Heaven has to be strait up from the middle of the city of Jerusalem. At least, that is the conclusion I come to.
    Even in the movie "The Sign" that I posted they refer to Jerusalem as the "umbilicus" of the world.
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    Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
    « Reply #77 on: September 23, 2017, 10:03:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: St Ignatius on September 22, 2017, 01:33:44 PM
    I sincerely pity you... I believe you show the symptoms of being a victim of The Dunning-Kruger Effect.
    I do not overestimate my competence.
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    When I stand on the beach and look at the sea, or go to a high mountain and look at the horizon, I believe what my eyes perceive: it is flat.
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    Simple.
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    You, on the other hand, have to perform some serious mental gymnastics (as a result of your indoctrination from birth) in order to disbelieve own your eyes and come to the conclusion that the earth is a ball.
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    Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
    « Reply #78 on: September 23, 2017, 10:48:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Tradplorable on September 23, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
    I do not overestimate my competence.
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    When I stand on the beach and look at the sea, or go to a high mountain and look at the horizon, I believe what my eyes perceive: it is flat.
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    Simple.
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    You, on the other hand, have to perform some serious mental gymnastics (as a result of your indoctrination from birth) in order to disbelieve own your eyes and come to the conclusion that the earth is a ball.
    ...and when I carved a column I had to do some, not too serious, "mental gymnastics" to make it look straight via making it curved.

    You're wrong on your principles in a similar way as well, or do you really think that the entire sea is really perfectly planar, i.e. "flat"?

    The bunny doesn't "teleport" to the tophat; "magic" ain't magic.

    I'll wait to break the news about the Easter Bunny and Santa, you've enough trauma for one day.
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    Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
    « Reply #79 on: September 23, 2017, 12:57:47 PM »
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    • The Apocalypse means the unveiling. I think we are submerged in Heaven all around us, as it is Reality , without being "in" it until God takes the scales off of our eyes, scrolls up this matrix of the universe, in an instant, like a window shade and unveils True Eternity to us. So it is a place... where we are at now may not be a substantive place... just be a lot of 00000" and 111111's.
    If Jesus says the Kingdom of God is within us is it just a state or a place, too? It must be very close.
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    Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
    « Reply #80 on: September 23, 2017, 01:09:27 PM »
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    • I recall the prophet Daniel asking God how far Heaven was, God answered: "The length of a prayer." 

    How far does a prayer go? I suppose there are many ways to look at this passage.
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    Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
    « Reply #81 on: September 23, 2017, 01:38:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on September 23, 2017, 12:57:47 PM
    The Apocalypse means the unveiling. I think we are submerged in Heaven all around us, as it is Reality , without being "in" it until God takes the scales off of our eyes, scrolls up this matrix of the universe, in an instant, like a window shade and unveils True Eternity to us. So it is a place... where we are at now may not be a substantive place... just be a lot of 00000" and 111111's.
    If Jesus says the Kingdom of God is within us is it just a state or a place, too? It must be very close.
    accidents v substance.

    "Through... with... in..."

    "Eye has not seen... "
    The eye can't see the eye.
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    Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
    « Reply #82 on: October 04, 2017, 01:52:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on September 20, 2017, 11:21:20 PM
    It has already been proven to you that the earth is flat.
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    Not only does Truth is Transitory keep posting falsehoods like this, he tries to make threads that have nothing to do with flat-earthism into flat-earth threads. 
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    Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
    « Reply #83 on: October 04, 2017, 02:01:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on October 04, 2017, 01:52:27 PM
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    Not only does Truth is Transitory keep posting falsehoods like this, he tries to make threads that have nothing to do with flat-earthism into flat-earth threads.
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    You think that this thread has nothing to do with FE? Evidently, you haven't read the OP.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The Physical Location of Heaven
    « Reply #84 on: October 04, 2017, 04:38:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on October 04, 2017, 01:52:27 PM
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    Not only does Truth is Transitory keep posting falsehoods like this, he tries to make threads that have nothing to do with flat-earthism into flat-earth threads.
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    No he is totally right.


    And here again for the general humour of our readers, Ladies and Gentelmen, I give you NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIL OBSTAT






    "Quote from: Neil Obstat on Yesterday at 05:42:06 PM



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        So there is no point in trying to make you happy. You are always going to be unhappy.
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        You are an unhappy person, Truth is Transitory.
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        You are unhappy, and that's the way you like it.
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        You are miserable, cantankerous, discontented, spiteful, full of anxiety and calumnious.
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        If you don't find a way to LIGHTEN UP you'll dig yourself an early grave.   "
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