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Offline Canuk the Lionheart

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« on: August 01, 2011, 10:21:19 PM »
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  • http://www.drdino.com/seminar-part-1-the-age-of-the-earth/

    At about 6: 45 in this video, right after the Mormon bashing is finished it says something about the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaching that we many become gods. I've heard similar accusations leveled against the post Vatican II catechisms, is it true?


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    « Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 08:47:20 AM »
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  • It does indeed say so:

    CCC: Part One, Section Two, Chapter Two, Article 3, Paragraph 1



    460. The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

    Footnote 81: St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57, 1-4.

    I have not read much of St. Thomas Aquinas so I do not know what this references.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 09:49:32 AM »
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  • I read into the quote by Aquinas, and it seems to be referring to theosis. Theosis is not a dogma, and is mainly believed in the Orthodox Church(es). Theosis means that one becomes united with God, and is able to enjoy the presence of God and the beatific vision. St. Athanasius said “The Son of God became man, that we might become god”, Aquinas said along the same lines, but it is St. Peter who probably said it most clearly; 2 Peter 1:4 “By whom he hath given us most great and precious promises: that by these you may be made partakers of the divine nature: flying the corruption of that concupiscence which is in the world.” Theosis could also refer to us becoming part of the Body of Christ during Communion. It is completely different from anatheosis as believed by the Mormons, which means that those in Heaven take on a divine nature of their own.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 03:55:03 PM »
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  • Lots of saints have said this.  St. Ireneaus said, "He became what we are so that we might become what He is."  That might be a clear way to understand this.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 01:00:54 PM »
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  • I will PM Hobble to see what he has to say about this... its  very interesting.

    I know the Mormon church takes it a step further and states that when they become gods, they get to rule their own universe and world like our God does. But they also say, that the Holy Ghost actually and physically conceived our Lord with the Blessed Mother (May God have mercy on them), that the Devil is Christ's brother, and other horrific things.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 05:51:16 PM »
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  • Yep.  When I first hear that, I thought it had to be an anti-Mormon calumny, because it was so silly.  I was shocked to find out that it was true.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 07:01:22 PM »
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  • I have had extensive discussions with certain young Mormons who knocked at my door some years ago. For some reason they found me fascinating or something (perhaps because I may have been the only guy in the neighborhood who could cite Sacred Scripture and ask questions of a theological nature) and they frequented my home throughout the summer.

    I got them to admit that: 1) God the Father does have a physical body and this does imply a blasphemous conclusion regarding the Incarnation of which I am not even going to think of typing; 2) Our Lord Jesus came to the Americas and promulgated another public revelation, resulting in the Book of Mormon; 3) Individual deceased persons may be baptized and become Mormon, which is why the Mormons are usually obsessed with genealogies and family histories; 4) The soul becomes a "god" and inhabits some sort of planet (or something to that effect). They told me that these "doctrines" are only revealed to those advanced in whatever initiation process they have, and that not all "beginners" can take these things.

    The more I refuted their arguments, the more they came at me with still further arguments containing more baffling absurdity, and they kept inviting me to their temple or whatever. When I saw that these kids were definitely brainwashed and that there was little progress to be made, I recited the Apostolic Symbol and they forthwith left my presence never to return.

    One cannot have fruitful exchanges with individuals whose cosmovision is so skewed by aberrant philosophical errors regarding the most basic realities (for example, that God is pure spirit and cannot be composed of a material body). This is why it is morally impossible for some modernists to convert.

    Moral of the story: take away Thomistic-Aristotelian philosophy, and you chip away at the foundations of the faith until you have some of the most weird aberrations that only the stupid mind of man can make up.

    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 08, 2011, 05:07:36 PM »
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  • Thanks Hobble-

    Quote from: Hobbledehoy
    The more I refuted their arguments, the more they came at me with still further arguments containing more baffling absurdity


    And this is where I think they get many Catholics :/