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The Irish Slave Trade
« on: July 12, 2012, 02:14:51 PM »
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    The Slaves That Time Forgot

    By John Martin
    They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

    Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

    We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? After all, we know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery?

    King James II and Charles I led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

    The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

    Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

    From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

    During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

    Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

    As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

    African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

    The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

    In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.

    This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

    England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

    There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

    There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

    In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

    But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

    Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

    Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer? Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

    None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.


    This is the story that time (and Jєωs) forgot.

    300,000 Irish Catholics sold as slaves.  (Proclamation 1625)  

    All Other Catholics could not vote, practice law, hold political office, bear arms, Own land, lease land, inherit land, enter a trade, attend Mass, even Gaelic was banned.  

    It was because England was controlled by Jєωs at the time and Convinced Cromwell he was a Jєω and that the Irish were cattle or chattle, and not of the tribe of Dan.

    Nor does any of this speak to the Genocide which was the removal of food at gunpoint of the Irish Catholics, also called the Potato famine, even though did not starve for potatoes, but food removed at gunpoint, by 200,000 British soldiers.



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    « Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 05:38:18 AM »
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  • One of the 'salem witches' who was hanged had come over as an Irish slave. She was able to say the Our Father, but only in her own language (Gaelic) and none of the court officials could understand Gaelic. she didn't know it in English and she made too many 'mistakes' trying to say it in Latin.
     


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    « Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 01:03:19 AM »
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    « Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 01:09:14 AM »
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  • They cover up our history of the anti-Irish Catholicism here in America too.  My  own ancesters were persecuted.  I love and miss my grandparents..
    yes, it was the true Mass that was being offerred at their home by brave priests who dodged bullets and other dangers.  And outside the KKK was burning their crosses on the lawn.  
     
    REcently, the found a gravesite where bodies of Irish  was beaten aend left fpr dead and the media blamed their deaths on disease...
    The media lies.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 01:17:10 AM »
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    « Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 11:11:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    They cover up our history of the anti-Irish Catholicism here in America too.  My  own ancesters were persecuted.  I love and miss my grandparents..
    yes, it was the true Mass that was being offerred at their home by brave priests who dodged bullets and other dangers.  And outside the KKK was burning their crosses on the lawn.  
     
    REcently, the found a gravesite where bodies of Irish  was beaten aend left fpr dead and the media blamed their deaths on disease...
    The media lies.


    If I'm not mistaken most of the "anti-Irish Catholicism" was caused by the concern that Catholicism would become the #1 religion in America instead of the Protestant majority at the time, along with the fact that the Irish repeatedly showed more loyalty to Ireland than to America.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 11:13:21 PM »
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    REcently, the found a gravesite where bodies of Irish  was beaten aend left fpr dead and the media blamed their deaths on disease...
    The media lies.


    Pardon me if I seriously doubt that since the media will always make the KKK to be the bad guys when it comes down to them vs. black agitators.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 11:51:01 PM »
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  • One thing that should be pointed out is that the Africans who were enslaved belonged to a pagan slave culture. The Irish were a civilized Catholic people. If anything the lot of blacks was improved by being brought to the Americas, as long as they could survive the horrendous voyage.

    I think I read in Michael Hoffman's They Were White and They Were Slaves that the black slaves looked at the Irish as being lower on the social ladder.

    I think the main reason Jєωs don't promote the reparations movement is because it would expose the part their ancestors played in the trade, and they'd have to cough up a lot of dough. You just know if it was only white gentiles who were the players they would heavily promote slavery reparations.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 14, 2012, 10:26:26 AM »
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    The Irish were a civilized Catholic people.


    Well compared to the black slaves I'm sure the Irish were civilized, however the drunkeness, the crime, the terrorism the Irish have committed over the years does make one seem to come to the conclusion that other ethnicities were more civilized than the Irish.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 10:39:03 AM »
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    One thing that should be pointed out is that the Africans who were enslaved belonged to a pagan slave culture. The Irish were a civilized Catholic people. If anything the lot of blacks was improved by being brought to the Americas, as long as they could survive the horrendous voyage.

    I think I read in Michael Hoffman's They Were White and They Were Slaves that the black slaves looked at the Irish as being lower on the social ladder.

    I think the main reason Jєωs don't promote the reparations movement is because it would expose the part their ancestors played in the trade, and they'd have to cough up a lot of dough. You just know if it was only white gentiles who were the players they would heavily promote slavery reparations.
    What's the big deal with Jєωs and slavery anyway? Isn't the O.T. full of laws governing the Hebrews and their "slaves" in Israel?

    And enough poo-poo from the Irish being slaves, the Romans and Greeks enslaved half of Germanic/ Slavic Europe, The ME and North Africa long before the "catholic" inhabitants of the fabled Emerald Isle endured religious and ethnic persecution from their Anglo-Saxon Protestant cousins.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 14, 2012, 10:55:23 AM »
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    One thing that should be pointed out is that the Africans who were enslaved belonged to a pagan slave culture. The Irish were a civilized Catholic people. If anything the lot of blacks was improved by being brought to the Americas, as long as they could survive the horrendous voyage.

    I think I read in Michael Hoffman's They Were White and They Were Slaves that the black slaves looked at the Irish as being lower on the social ladder.

    I think the main reason Jєωs don't promote the reparations movement is because it would expose the part their ancestors played in the trade, and they'd have to cough up a lot of dough. You just know if it was only white gentiles who were the players they would heavily promote slavery reparations.
    I'm sorry but history bears out that Christianity hardly "civilized" the black African people, they are just as predisposed to violence, rape and murder as they ever were before the missionaries ever arrived from Europe. This may be an unpopular statement and I don't deny the Church has improved the quality of life for many Africans, but something about the natives on the Dark Continent and their ways makes me believe they are intrinsically disordered in certain areas which we would describe as "savage" and barbaric from European norms and values. You can also look to cultures such as Japan and China and even Ancient Rome, Greece and Persia all distincly pagan and nonChristian and all distinctly civilized and progressive. The hard facts are that Civilizations have been around a lot longer than the Church or Christianity, I just don't believe that you can't have one without the other or one guarntees the other. And I'm not promoting Paganism or Atheism, it's just part of God's grand design somehow.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 14, 2012, 03:38:13 PM »
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    The Irish were a civilized Catholic people.


    Well compared to the black slaves I'm sure the Irish were civilized, however the drunkeness, the crime, the terrorism the Irish have committed over the years does make one seem to come to the conclusion that other ethnicities were more civilized than the Irish.


    Maybe so.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 14, 2012, 03:49:33 PM »
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    One thing that should be pointed out is that the Africans who were enslaved belonged to a pagan slave culture. The Irish were a civilized Catholic people. If anything the lot of blacks was improved by being brought to the Americas, as long as they could survive the horrendous voyage.

    I think I read in Michael Hoffman's They Were White and They Were Slaves that the black slaves looked at the Irish as being lower on the social ladder.

    I think the main reason Jєωs don't promote the reparations movement is because it would expose the part their ancestors played in the trade, and they'd have to cough up a lot of dough. You just know if it was only white gentiles who were the players they would heavily promote slavery reparations.


    I'm sorry but history bears out that Christianity hardly "civilized" the black African people, they are just as predisposed to violence, rape and murder as they ever were before the missionaries ever arrived from Europe. This may be an unpopular statement and I don't deny the Church has improved the quality of life for many Africans, but something about the natives on the Dark Continent and their ways makes me believe they are intrinsically disordered in certain areas which we would describe as "savage" and barbaric from European norms and values. You can also look to cultures such as Japan and China and even Ancient Rome, Greece and Persia all distincly pagan and nonChristian and all distinctly civilized and progressive. The hard facts are that Civilizations have been around a lot longer than the Church or Christianity, I just don't believe that you can't have one without the other or one guarntees the other. And I'm not promoting Paganism or Atheism, it's just part of God's grand design somehow.


    I'd have to read up on Catholicism in Africa, because I'm not that familiar with how it's practiced over there. I'm only familiar with American Blacks, who are mostly Protestant.

    It's certainly true that whites were civilized in a natural law sense before the arrival of Christianity, and they are genetically more advanced than Africans, and that's reflected in the sophisticated civilizations they created.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 15, 2012, 04:40:40 AM »
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    The Irish were a civilized Catholic people.


    Well compared to the black slaves I'm sure the Irish were civilized, however the drunkeness, the crime, the terrorism the Irish have committed over the years does make one seem to come to the conclusion that other ethnicities were more civilized than the Irish.


    It is painful to read such monumental stupidity coming from the pen of a Traditional Catholic. I recommend that you read the articles on Ireland in the Catholic Encyclopedia.
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    « Reply #14 on: October 15, 2012, 06:10:40 AM »
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    It is painful to read such monumental stupidity coming from the pen of a Traditional Catholic. I recommend that you read the articles on Ireland in the Catholic Encyclopedia.


    Perhaps you'd like to use a rational argument instead of just calling it stupid. Were the Irish not given to crime, drunkeness, and gangsterism when they first came to America, nevermind the fact they little loyalty to America?